Spudders Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Football has changed over the decades for fans and in many respects the changes have been for the better. Obviously stamping out racism and homophobia is a good thing, but where is the line going to be drawn around what fans can and can't say? Yesterday a lad near me got a warning from the stewards for swearing.... swearing FFS!!! Ok it was the C word he used and this word seems to offend more people than other swears, but it's a sad sad day when swearing becomes a reason for stewards to threaten people with being ejected from the game. What's the consensus on here, should football still be an area where lads can release their emotions verbally in the heat of the moment without fear of ejection from the ground, or should all swear words be banned from our filthy mouths forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 There were a few guys to the right of me, who got removed yesterday. 4 or 5 of them. Wasn't sure what it was for, but the Saints fans around them were saying they did nothing wrong. If swearing is not allowed, then it needs to be consistent in all grounds and all stewards do it. I think 99% of the time swearing will go pretty much noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 It's ridiculous. You should be able to say whatever you like at football. As you said, to many it's a way of releasing emotions and stresses throughout the week. When my old man first started taking me he'd tell me that I would hear swearing and 'rude' things being said and it was fine as long as I didn't repeat it or say any of it at home/around my mum. If someone goes to football and is offended by swearing, then I suggest that going to football isn't the hobby for them. A few lads in the furthest block of our end to the right got ejected towards the end yesterday, apparently for being abusive towards Arsenal fans. Oh no... At United I got ejected and whilst arguing the toss, I said to the head steward that if I had shouted over to the United fans and called them all stupid idiots or something equally as unoffensive and people were to complain about my language from the home end, would I be found and ejected for that too? The answer was yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Depends what c word was used. If it's the really bad one then I know a lot of people who consider it worse than racist language. For them, it's the worst thing you can say ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Meh. That has never changed. I came close to getting chucked out more than once in the early 70's even though most referees actually WERE vaginas with double the normal amount of eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Depends what c word was used. If it's the really bad one then I know a lot of people who consider it worse than racist language. For them, it's the worst thing you can say ever. Maybe there should be a naughty step in concoures where you have to sit for 10 minutes for being caught swearing. Maybe 20 minutes if you say the naughtiest word that you can say ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 It's doing my head in, football in the PL is so mundane and the stewards yesterday were just utterly pathetic. Ejection for swearing is happening, not racist stuff but just swearing. I mean honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 It depends in what context the words are being used. For example, I could walk into work tomorrow and say, "f**k me the weather's sh**e," and nobody would bat an eyelid. On the other hand, if I walked in and said to someone, "f**k you you f**king c**t, you're a complete f**king pr**k," I probably wouldn't have a job on Tuesday. Personally I don't see why the latter should be tolerated just because you're in a football stadium. I don't have a problem with people swearing and taking the **** but some people take it too far. Without witnessing a particular incident I can't really pass judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrypward Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 I heard the stewards yesterday accuse the lads behind me of racist language... the racist term in question: "Victor Wanyama". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 I swear like a sailor at the footy and my nipper has been told that whatever he hears at the match, or shouts at the game, is not to be repeated anywhere else. That said I very unlikely to call someone a f**king c**t; it's more likely to be a FFS ref'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 I think it's a good idea to outlaw any antisocial behaviour in a public arena. They should probably stop the footballers from swearing and being as generally disrespectful as they often are though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivangolac Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Meh. That has never changed. I came close to getting chucked out more than once in the early 70's even though most referees actually WERE vaginas with double the normal amount of eyes. Yep, my mate got thrown out for swearing at the Dell against Chelsea in the early 80's..... They took him to 'the hut" that was in the car park. It was full of skinheads that had been nicked for scrapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 I got told to "stop ****ing swearing" by the woman infront of me yesterday as she didn't like her son hearing that type of language... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 The old chap probably in his 70's has uttered over 300 swear words....I counted them all. When he ends a sentence, or pauses in mid sentence he uses the f word as a form of punctuation.....and carries on. He probably has no idea he is doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 I just find a grown adult being offended by any swear word, said with no particular context, absolutely laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineSaint Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 ****ing hell for **** sake the ****ing ****er ****ing ****ed the ****ing job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Only in the family area should this be a problem. That way if you don't want your kids to hear swearing, then take them to the family centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 its football for f***s sake,the hierarchy are destroying the fan structure in our game.no longer are we allowed to stand,swear,laugh,take the pi**.its a sad old day,the future of our great game,is to be all seated,like at the theatre with polite applause whlist being ripped off for our tickets.f***em all,i'll continue swearing like a c**t see all you c***s at Chelsea.coys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Going to watch football is the only real release some people get from their day to day lives,so I have no issue with swearing at football whatsoever. If people with kids don't want to hear it then go sit in the family section, it's what it's there for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Ban this filth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Meh. That has never changed. I came close to getting chucked out more than once in the early 70's even though most referees actually WERE vaginas with double the normal amount of eyes. Ditto. I met up with a mate from school in the Milton road end (before the Kop moved up to the archers - so late 60's) and we were asked to leave after my school mate used the C word. Even the Milton road regulars found it offensive. Then again when you think about, the Northam are a bunch of wet blankets compared to the Milton lot in the 60's and 70's. It was about fighting back then whereas today today is waving a fist at the away fans from a safe distance. Put em in the same room and most of the Northam would **** themselves. Not that I am saying fighting was ok - but it was very close contact with the away fans. One thing I do look back on with a bit of pride is we were not as foul mouthed back then. You rarely heard an F word in the terrace songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Get a decent set of officials, stamp out diving and cheating (like we see from Wilshere every game) then you may get a swear free football match. Unless Artur does another howler of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 I don't mind a bit of FFS and ****ing hell ref, ECT. Some of the chants are a bit cringeworthy, "live in a shiete hole" is one I personally find embarrassing. I remember a Nottingham Forest game a few years back when 3 spotty ****s spent all game abusing Lee Camp , I dont mind a bit of banter is its funny or original, but just shouting "you're ****ing camp Camp" and "you gay c###, Camp", constantly is a bit much. So could understand people getting annonyed with that. One thing that does get to me is the behaviour of some supporters on the train, particularly the first one out of Waterloo after a London game. Last couple of years its got worse ,groups of yoof swearing a lot when there are people on the train who haven't been to football. Maybe I should say something, but I dont really want to get involved in a ruck at my age ,particularly in from of my nipper , and particularly as I'll probably get pasted. Perhaps im just getting older and more victor meldruw like, but to be, swearing lodly on public transport is not on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Going slightly off topic, but keeping within the realms of precious people at football that annoy the sh1t out of me: was at the Hull game and managed to get a ticket in the itchen/chapel corner, when we won the penalty i stood up to watch it, in anticipation of it being taken... And they bloke behind me asked if i could sit down till after it was taken?! Why do people like that bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Football sis sanitised to **** now, and arsenal is the home of the middle class "fan". So it's no surprise the precious little Tarquins that have killed off arsenals soul would get uppity about the nasty away fans swearing and making gestures at them. ****ing shame the game has gone this way, but let's be honest it's what the football elite want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Why would you swear at the football? Swear at ref or the players for sure but its not the ball's fault... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
influx Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 I find it ironic that most of you are saying its ok to swear at the football where there are kids present yet on here all swear words filtered so to protect our delicate children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 I have no problem with it in general, but you don't expect it in the family centre. Last season there were blokes, apparently without any kids, using every word going. The aggression as much as the words is what has put my 8 year old daughter off going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Swearing is normal. But swearing in every sentence demeans the swearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Secret Site Agent Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Got to be honest, it should be the cotext and location that determines wether you stay or go. AND this should apply to all, Fans, Stewards, Police, Players as well. Been a few times i've heard the Old Bill and Stewards giving out a curse or two. And as to on the pitch, no matter how much of a T or C the ref is, should be a yellow card for calling him so. I always remembered playing rugby and causing a free kick. I said 'Oh, FFS ref.' And he moved it 20 yards forward. 10 for swearing at him, and 10 for disrespect and not calling him Sir. Football is a business and you can't call a stakeholder a C - U -Next - Tuesday, no matter how much they are. It affects your bank balance, and profitability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 It depends in what context the words are being used. For example, I could walk into work tomorrow and say, "f**k me the weather's sh**e," and nobody would bat an eyelid. On the other hand, if I walked in and said to someone, "f**k you you f**king c**t, you're a complete f**king pr**k," I probably wouldn't have a job on Tuesday. Personally I don't see why the latter should be tolerated just because you're in a football stadium. I don't have a problem with people swearing and taking the **** but some people take it too far. Without witnessing a particular incident I can't really pass judgement. Exactly this, at the eimarates there were a couple of young lads on my left, could have a good chat to them and talk about the footy. On my right thee was another bunch of young and not so young lads.... from the second they walked it in their Adidas caps and trousers it was f**king c**ts, learn to play you f'ing peice of sh*t etc etc... Ever single word out of their mouth was uncalled for swearing, punctuated by the off spit. I don't take umbridge with the odd colorful expletive, but there is a fine line that others seem oblivious to.... And frankly, it puts of young kids and all he woman that ae worth having at football (that i've met) and kids are the bloody lifeblood of any football team bar chelsea and $hitty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Going to watch football is the only real release some people get from their day to day lives,so I have no issue with swearing at football whatsoever. If people with kids don't want to hear it then go sit in the family section, it's what it's there for. You really want 75% of the ground to be a family centre because a few people can't/choose not to handle their drink and spill vile abuse and aggression from their lungs for a full 115min? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladysaint Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 At away games visitors don’t have designated areas for families. On Saturday I was stood with a friend who had his 8 year old daughter with him, the guy in front of us used the C word very loudly a number of times but not in a threatening context or manner. I hate the word but accept at football matches you hear it both on and off the pitch. The first time on Saturday the guy in front of us used the C word the 8 year old looked at her Dad and he said something along the lines “we don’t say that word do we and you only hear it at football and must not repeat it because it is not a nice word”. Football wouldn’t be the same if swearing was banned and not sure how they could police it if it did ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Exactly this, at the eimarates there were a couple of young lads on my left, could have a good chat to them and talk about the footy. On my right thee was another bunch of young and not so young lads.... from the second they walked it in their Adidas caps and trousers it was f**king c**ts, learn to play you f'ing peice of sh*t etc etc... Ever single word out of their mouth was uncalled for swearing, punctuated by the off spit. I don't take umbridge with the odd colorful expletive, but there is a fine line that others seem oblivious to.... And frankly, it puts of young kids and all he woman that ae worth having at football (that i've met) and kids are the bloody lifeblood of any football team bar chelsea and $hitty. God we have a bunch of precious fans, when i first went in the early 80s there was a hell of a lot more than swearing going on but you know what as a nipper that was exactly what made it exciting. Problem is we have a load of rich people in the game these days who want to protect their precious little things from real life, god knows if they go to a normal school they'll hear ten times worse than what's said at the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 ms pap is much worse than I. Her normal TV watching posture is highly reminiscent of Jabba the Hutt on his intergalactic chaise lounge, largely immobile and speaking only when turning down business opportunities from jedis, etc. Put a Liverpool game on, and she's like a hyperactive child rocking too many E numbers. When Liverpool actually score, the dog leaves the room for several hours until noise and movement levels have returned to their pre-match norms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Going slightly off topic, but keeping within the realms of precious people at football that annoy the sh1t out of me: was at the Hull game and managed to get a ticket in the itchen/chapel corner, when we won the penalty i stood up to watch it, in anticipation of it being taken... And they bloke behind me asked if i could sit down till after it was taken?! Why do people like that bother? If he was the only person sitting, he's a muppet. If you were the only one standing, you are. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 You really want 75% of the ground to be a family centre because a few people can't/choose not to handle their drink and spill vile abuse and aggression from their lungs for a full 115min? Thats clearly not what I said is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 If he was the only person sitting, he's a muppet. If you were the only one standing, you are. Simples. He was definately the muppet on that occaision! Dont know if he had any conditions preventing him from standing up, if he did then with all due respect there are areas such as the front row that would be more appropriate for him to sit and watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 He was definately the muppet on that occaision! Dont know if he had any conditions preventing him from standing up, if he did then with all due respect there are areas such as the front row that would be more appropriate for him to sit and watch! it used to be that the whole ground would stand for a penalty in anticipation of a goal, why on earth would anyone sit down knowing they will in all likely hood be jumping up to celebrate in a few seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Only in the family area should this be a problem. That way if you don't want your kids to hear swearing, then take them to the family centre. And keep them out of the school playground. Jeez I had a full range of obscene words gleaned from the playground at BP Junior by the time I was about 6. Didn't learn a single new swear word at the Dell. Everybody knows all the swear words at an early age, just whether you choose to use them constantly or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 At away games visitors don’t have designated areas for families. On Saturday I was stood with a friend who had his 8 year old daughter with him, the guy in front of us used the C word very loudly a number of times but not in a threatening context or manner. I hate the word but accept at football matches you hear it both on and off the pitch. The first time on Saturday the guy in front of us used the C word the 8 year old looked at her Dad and he said something along the lines “we don’t say that word do we and you only hear it at football and must not repeat it because it is not a nice word”. Football wouldn’t be the same if swearing was banned and not sure how they could police it if it did ever happen. I apologise on the off chance that was me. I'm not normally that bad but Boruc did get me a tad 'excited'! Like a few have said I've been taking my kids since they were 6, they were told they would hear swearing, just dont repeat it, especially in front of mum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 (edited) Having the task of teaching foreigners the English language ..I'm quick to point out the subtle differences between colloquial language, slang, and swearing. Problem (in Sweden) is that 70% of the so-called " English language " TV progs. are from the U.S. ...and the variation of accents and selective swear words is pretty varied, with the result that people often use words without really appreciating their precise inference, and they often have a distinct shortage of ordinary adjectives. The f-word has been in the English language since the time of Shakespeare, and is so commonplace it seems ridiculous to think that 100 years ago G.B. Shaw was slated publicly for including it in one of his plays. I try to avoid bad language - for the sake of my "then" young, growing family...but TV has done its worst. As for me ..if I hit my thumb with a hammer when doing a DIY job....I don't stop to say " Ouch!.. that hurt ". With some of the incidents that take place during matches.. it's no wonder that people do swear and for many it's almost impossible to avoid. Honestly, it's enough to make you spit ! Edited 25 November, 2013 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 At away games visitors don’t have designated areas for families. On Saturday I was stood with a friend who had his 8 year old daughter with him, the guy in front of us used the C word very loudly a number of times but not in a threatening context or manner. I hate the word but accept at football matches you hear it both on and off the pitch. The first time on Saturday the guy in front of us used the C word the 8 year old looked at her Dad and he said something along the lines “we don’t say that word do we and you only hear it at football and must not repeat it because it is not a nice word”. Football wouldn’t be the same if swearing was banned and not sure how they could police it if it did ever happen. Kids repeat everything they hear eventually, it's what they do, it's how they learn. No point in telling them not to repeat it in front of Mum or Gran or whatever because they invariably will. Only later in life when they have sufficient control mechanisms will they have the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Kids repeat everything they hear eventually, it's what they do, it's how they learn. No point in telling them not to repeat it in front of Mum or Gran or whatever because they invariably will. Only later in life when they have sufficient control mechanisms will they have the choice. Disagree. My nipper has been going home and away from the age of 5 and he's never repeated anything heard/sung at a match. If he did sing it at home he used to "beep" out the swear words. "You dirty skate *beep*, we're coming for you" used to be his fav'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 My nippers favour is 'who the fudge is laughing now' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Crab Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 I can't believe it! Football is so boring and mundane if you can't stand and say c*** really loudly in front of other people. It makes me wonder why I go if I can't say swear words loudly? I mean, what's the point of football if it isn't about saying c*** or f*** or f****** c*** out loud? I have a really stressful job and the only way I can deal with those stresses is to say c*** or f*** out loud in front of people on a Saturday afternoon. I'd be hard pushed to find any other way of de-stressing after a hard week than calling somebody from another football team a c*** or telling a referee he is a motherf*****. It's PC gone mad gone mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Why do people get so uptight over a bunch of pseudonyms for body parts. Strange world where its ok to say vagina but not **** or penis but not cock. Swear words only have the power we apply to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 (edited) Football used to be a healthy outlet for racists vent their frustrations, but now they're reduced to posting on youtube comment sections. It has to come out somewhere! Youtube will be riddled with swearing football fans when the ole axe falls. Edited 25 November, 2013 by Bearsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 I remember going to a Fulham vs Pompey match at Craven Cottage about 10 years ago. The Pompey fans spent the entire 90 minutes chanting "F**k off Fulham, F**k off Fulham" It was genuinely the most imaginative chant they could come up with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Swearing at football by the fans - you should hear the players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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