Tamesaint Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Please correct me if I am wrong but I think the last 2 penalties against us have been against Norwich away last season (which Boruc saved) and the penalty yesterday. Both penalties came at the end of the match and both were harsh decisions. The one at Norwich came when Luke breathed too close to Grant Holt whilst yesterday's came as Joe infringed at the same time as Jos was having his shirt pulled by Giroud and was given for a foul which occurs on dozens of occasions on every Saturday and for which penaties are very very rarely given. Both penalties against us were given by Mark Clattenburg & I think that yesterday was the first time that he has reffed us since the Norwich game. What is wrong with the bloke? Does he have a campaign against us? Does he put money on us to lose? Readers of Bily ****e's excellent blog will know that Billy calls Clattenburg "****tenburg." The name is undoubtedly apprpriate. Could we reuse to have the dipstick officiating in our future games?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Its not just us though, he screws up pretty much every game he refs. Hes just a poor referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 the refeering in general this season has been appalling. for all teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 the refeering in general this season has been appalling. for all teams Indeed. Look at the Stoke v Sunderland game yesterday. Wes Brown got red-carded for what looked a very good tackle, and later Begovic wasn't penalised at all for a shocking studs-up tackle on one of the Sunderland players. You can see why Poyet was so furious. Really poor refereeing. Then there was the red card in the Hull v Palace game which looked completely innocuous to me as well. I really don't know how much longer the FA/FIFA can continue to resist the introduction of video replay technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Indeed. Look at the Stoke v Sunderland game yesterday. Wes Brown got red-carded for what looked a very good tackle, and later Begovic wasn't penalised at all for a shocking studs-up tackle on one of the Sunderland players. You can see why Poyet was so furious. Really poor refereeing. Then there was the red card in the Hull v Palace game which looked completely innocuous to me as well. I really don't know how much longer the FA/FIFA can continue to resist the introduction of video replay technology. the WBA thing at chelsea was easily the most disgraceful decision. absolutely shocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 the refeering in general this season has been appalling. for all teams the game has got too fast and too elaborate for the level of the refereeing. It's a global problem. In the end they'll just have to adopt the Franco-Italian approach and blow up if it looks iffy. In today's Cardiff Utd game the ref obviously bottled out of sending Rooney off, I hope the review commission will correct that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 24 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Whilst I don't diagree with anything that has been said, I was homing in on Tw attenburg. He sees us committing offences and giving away late penalties for innocuous offences which no other referee seems to see. What is wrong with the bloke ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 the game has got too fast and too elaborate for the level of the refereeing. It's a global problem. In the end they'll just have to adopt the Franco-Italian approach and blow up if it looks iffy. In today's Cardiff Utd game the ref obviously bottled out of sending Rooney off, I hope the review commission will correct that. They won't, the ref gave him a yellow card so it can't be reviewed. He should be banned for three months anyway, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Clattenburg does seem completely incapable. Refereeing has been poor by the majority of refs all season though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 I thought Clattenburgh was good in the first half. In the second half he was just Clattenburgh again.... The kind of referee that feels the need to show he can make tough decisions, and that´s why he gets them wrong so often. The best refs react to situations, not act upon themselves.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 He even did the tell-tale phantom free-kick in our favour on their next corner. Proper ****. In a way I'm glad Boruc made that mistake when he did because if we'd lost to that penalty decision I would have been gutted. Yes, Fonte pulle some shirt but are we seriously expected to believe that's the only shirt pull from a set piece that the ref saw all match? Come off it. Shocking decisions this weekend again. Ridiculous red card for Wes Brown. Rooney volleys someone off the ball and gets a yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 I thought he had a pretty decent first half and didn't give in to the 'dirty' Arsenal tactics of throwing themselves on the floor and pretending they are dead, and he managed to ignore the moaning Arsenal fans who appealed for everything. He should have booked Wilshere for an absolutely blatant dive in the middle of the pitch (can't remember whether it was 1st or second half), but his second half performance was bloody awful. Every decision went against us. Big Victor must have been fouled about 20 times, with no bookings for them and when he made a late tackle, he was booked straight away. There was also a poor tackle on Schneiders that went unnoticed. I don't expect them to get every decision right, I do expect them to get most of them right, and to be consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Very very easy pen to give 1-0 up minutes left, "look what a good ref I am" decision. Would he have given it up the other end to give us the chance of 1-1 , no ****ing way. Typical of modern jobsworth referees, ****ing hair pieced ****. Shocking weekend for refs again. How the Everton bloke and Rooney stayed on the pitch when brown and palace guy went off is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 That Brown red card is utterly bizarre. I agree with Robbie Savage, the worst red card decision i've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stu0x Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 They won't, the ref gave him a yellow card so it can't be reviewed. Not true any more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Couldn't see it from the away end but just seen it on the box. No complaints, it was a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Wish all refs would blow up for shirt pulling. It's got no place in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Couldn't see it from the away end but just seen it on the box. No complaints, it was a penalty. of course it was, if you look at the OS gallery you'll see José bear hugging Giroud a few times as well. He's always done it and we can be quite thankful that it doesn't get penalised more often. He needs to cut it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintbletch Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Watched the game in the pub and the live coverage showed a replay from Clattenberg's perspective i.e. behind Mertesacker with Fonte in front of him. Whilst Clattenberg couldn't actually see what Fonte was doing, you saw the black border around the neck of Mertesacker's shirt being pulled halfway down his back revealing his white undershirt. So when Mertesacker's movement looked like it was restricted, it was an easy decision to give. I think that was probably the reason that he gave the penalty for what looked quite an innocuous and commonplace interaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 I dont think anyone can complaint that Fonte was holding the Arsenal players shirt but you just know that Clattenburg will completely ignore the same decision next week! Same old problem is consistancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 I dont think anyone can complaint that Fonte was holding the Arsenal players shirt but you just know that Clattenburg will completely ignore the same decision next week! Same old problem is consistancy Yes, you can't say that his decision was wrong, but he has to do the same for every other incident during the match, in which case it would have been a whistle-stop affair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 He had a handful of his shirt, if that was us for an equaliser 5 minutes from time you would of started the the same thread if he waved it away. Refs are poor but we hardly looked like scoring and to suggest he has a vendetta because he made 2 poor decisions is stupid. Arsenal were better than our makeshift team, we dust ourselves off and put on a better show against Chelsea with a full strength team I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Very very easy pen to give 1-0 up minutes left, "look what a good ref I am" decision. Would he have given it up the other end to give us the chance of 1-1 , no ****ing way. Typical of modern jobsworth referees, ****ing hair pieced ****. Shocking weekend for refs again. How the Everton bloke and Rooney stayed on the pitch when brown and palace guy went off is beyond me. He's not a good ref, but the penalty was justified - it was a clear shirt tug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 He's not a good ref, but the penalty was justified - it was a clear shirt tug. Yes, but there are plenty of others during the game. Just grabbing the shirt is not a foul, the player has to be restrained from moving. Some players have a hold of the other's shirt so that they can watch the ball and at the same time feel where the opponent is moving. Usually in cases like this each player has a handful or the other's shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane163 Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Wish all refs would blow up for shirt pulling. It's got no place in the game. I completely agree. The shirt was pulled, it's a penalty. It should however be equally applied at both ends! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 He's not a good ref, but the penalty was justified - it was a clear shirt tug. Do you really think he'd have given it up the other end? Last min of the game and an Arsenal defender does it to Rickie, Peno to make it 1-1? No chance, he would have been wilfully blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 (edited) Plenty of shirt pulling on view on the Gallery on the OS. However if the ref had given a penalty for the offence shown in image 5 it would have been more logic. Fonte just has to cut that out. Edited 25 November, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Its not just us though, he screws up pretty much every game he refs. Hes just a poor referee. .....but his name does sound impressive - don't you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 I completely agree. The shirt was pulled, it's a penalty. It should however be equally applied at both ends![/QUOTE] .....and in every game, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Fonte needs to learn not to do it, he pulls shirts at every single set piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 I thought he didn't do that bad a job. But I was sat in the Arsenal end and they moaned the whole game about him. The Arsenal fans burst into tears at every singe Victor or Morgan tackle on one of their precious babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Fonte needs to learn not to do it, he pulls shirts at every single set piece. and that's only on his good days, if you went back and looked at every match gallery since he's been here you'll see him bear hugging players or having them in a head lock. Surprised he gets away with it most of the time. Still probably a sign of a good player that he always hides it from refs but not the multi angled cameras. Giroud is as bad, every time he disputes a 50/50 ball he always gives his opponent a firm nudge in the chest or in the back, just enough to put him off balance for a fraction of a second but usually invisible to the ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 November, 2013 Share Posted 26 November, 2013 (edited) Not true any more Incorrect. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25093069 "Wayne Rooney was shown a yellow card for his foul on Jordon Mutch. But because the incident was dealt with by officials the England and Manchester and United striker cannot be punished retrospectively." Edited 26 November, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 November, 2013 Share Posted 26 November, 2013 He's not a good ref, but the penalty was justified - it was a clear shirt tug. Apart from the fact that Giroud had already pulled Hooiveld's shirt's right arm causing him to slip over at the same corner before Fonte got near Mertesacker (and did it again as the pen was being given), so it should have been a free-kick to Saints. I'd have been equally as gutted to lose to either of the goals though, ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Tony Posted 26 November, 2013 Share Posted 26 November, 2013 It was a definite shirt pull, not the first time Fonte's done it. It was a penalty by the letter of the law, it's just referees seem to be rather selective when deciding to give them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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