Wade Garrett Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Judge him when he's played up top with Lallana and Jay around him. I am am surprised people doubt his ability. He is a great footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joneth Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Personally I think yesterday would have suited Osvaldo better than Lambert. Arsenal's defence is really solid at the moment and we needed some flair and creativity to get round them. Only other player offering that was Rodriguez today. I would have him in for Chelsea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 No but he doesn't even shake hands with the opposing players at the final whistle. Yesterday he just ran off (quicker than at any stage during the game too). I am losing patience with him, square peg in a round hole, a bit like Ramirez. £25m up the Swanee. I agree he's a misfit here. The obligation now to clap fans is as crass as the one that says you shouldn't celebrate goals against your old club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomf05 Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 IMO I think we have a great team at the mo and out front line particularly is packed with players with a lot to prove. Some who we've seen do it and others who have yet to fully impress. Id be interested to see this Boruc Clyne Lovren Fonte Shaw Wanyama Schneiderlin Gaston JWP Osvaldo Lallana Options then to reshuffle JWP could fall back Steve Davis or 'impact sub' lambert are both players who arguably should start but can steady the ship into forward motion if the work rate of gaston doesn't quite give te first hour as expected. However I think with enough speed from the full backs and solidity in the centre we'd hold out ok to try it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 I am amazed how anyone can lose patience with a player who has not had a single run in the team utterly odd attitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 According to someone in the pub who knows someone who knows him he's not happy in England and wants to leave. Make of that what you will. I have no idea if it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 But the fact that he's not earned a run in the team is determined by his performance in training and in matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 But the fact that he's not earned a run in the team is determined by his performance in training and in matches. that and being injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleyb5443 Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Just remember how long it took jay rod to show his value and please fans. We don't know what impact he's having in training, he could be teaching all the other lads loads, especially the youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Where's this notion that he's not happy here actually come from? (Apart from the cats mates mate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 He needs to get a few games in a run, we're known for laying a particular system and he's getting very little time playing that system in competitive matches. Lambert has been struggling to make an impact lately and it seems a perfect time to give osvaldo a few starts. Not all new signings settle into the team by being given substitute appearances every couple of weeks, he needs to build a chemistry with players like JRod and Lallana. If he gets that chance for four or five straight matches and can't make anything of it, then we'll be in more of a position to judge. JRod has been given infinite patience, he has played regularly since he arrived, despite having a scoring record worse than Ramirez. He went through long periods having little or no impact, but is only lately starting to look like a player even close to the value we paid. Let's give osvaldo a bit of a chance too. Wanyama started pretty poorly too, but MP stuck with him and the more he started, the more he started to look like the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 (edited) Judge him when he's played up top with Lallana and Jay around him. I am am surprised people doubt his ability. He is a great footballer. Not sure his ability is in doubt, just his state of mind, and motivation. I actually think he could come good, and be a sensation for us, but it depends if he wants to be. MP has to unlock that ambition in Osvaldo's head for it to happen. Edited 24 November, 2013 by Badger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 I would tend to agree that if Lambert is tired and off form presently we should give DO a run. But if that is subsequently judged a failure then a parting of the ways would likely occur in Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Italian football attacking players will always take more time to integrate because of the difference in pace and tactical responsibilities. Strikers don't defend in Italy, nor do they drop down that much into midfield. Same with attacking midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Personally I think yesterday would have suited Osvaldo better than Lambert. Arsenal's defence is really solid at the moment and we needed some flair and creativity to get round them. Only other player offering that was Rodriguez today. I would have him in for Chelsea. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 He plays like a top level world class player, only runs when the ball's in the attacking third (which doesn't suit our style), and flounces about everything. That would be fine if he hadn't passed the ball straight at the keeper when he did get a chance. Needs to either work harder, score more, or stop bloody moaning. Clearly has a pile of talent but Arsenal away might not be the place to see it at this stage of his adaptation. Reminds me a lot of Balotelli in the way he only becomes active when Saints are attacking though, not my favourite thing in modern football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Where's all this talk about him not wanting to be here come from? Another mongolian rumour now gathering pace which will soon be touted as FACT no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Where's all this talk about him not wanting to be here come from? . Reported after he signed that clubs had agreed the fee and deal at the end of May, he signed when ? Late August after other clubs reported interest failed to materialise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 24 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 24 November, 2013 The Roma fans hated him with a passion.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 The Roma fans hated him with a passion.............. Yeah, you have to improve to come close with your hate, but you´re going places for each week.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.comsaint Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 The Roma fans hated him with a passion.............. Not half as much as his team mates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 24 November, 2013 Share Posted 24 November, 2013 Almost as cynical as your post maybe? Could say that, but the two fouls I remember he wasn't even attempting to get the ball - that's not getting stuck in to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Some very odd comments on this thread. I wonder if you guys actually watch the matches? Having seen him at home several times he does press high up the pitch and works hard to close defenders down. In this respect he's better than Lambert in my opinion. His touch is first class. Possibly the most technically gifted player we have. He doesn't seem to lack passion, far from it. Anyone who has seen him celebrate a goal will know what I mean. He seems to want to win and be part of a successful club - admirable traits IMO. Therefore it's understandable that he's not happy when we lose, especially when he wasn't able to affect the team very much due to being kept out by a very good in form Lambert (I do question the person above who said Lambert is out of form - unless of course form equates to just one match now). I'm excited to have him at the club and think he has what it takes to go on a very good scoring run once he gets his chance, provided he can stay injury and niggle free. He has not yet had this opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Some very odd comments on this thread. I wonder if you guys actually watch the matches? Having seen him at home several times he does press high up the pitch and works hard to close defenders down. In this respect he's better than Lambert in my opinion. His touch is first class. Possibly the most technically gifted player we have. He doesn't seem to lack passion, far from it. Anyone who has seen him celebrate a goal will know what I mean. He seems to want to win and be part of a successful club - admirable traits IMO. Therefore it's understandable that he's not happy when we lose, especially when he wasn't able to affect the team very much due to being kept out by a very good in form Lambert (I do question the person above who said Lambert is out of form - unless of course form equates to just one match now). I'm excited to have him at the club and think he has what it takes to go on a very good scoring run once he gets his chance, provided he can stay injury and niggle free. He has not yet had this opportunity. Obviously a class player but when he gets chances he seems to be mistiming his shot or not lifting it or lifting it too much. Compared to say Aguero or Negredo he isn't very efficient as of yet. Those 2 bury everything that comes their way. City had 10 shots on target yesterday and scored 6 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 I want him to have a good run in the team as he's a class act. The key player for me, a fully firing Ossie could shoot us into a very high position in this league. Still think that a Lambert \ Ossie combo could work with Rickie in the hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Cant understand how Rickie didn´t put a through ball to him saturday, the opening for it was all there with Dani making a good run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey88 Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Don't quite understand where any of these reports about him being unhappy here are coming from, to me they seem completely unsubstantiated. After a couple of weeks there was one report in the paper saying he wanted to leave which he publicly denied and everyone else seems to be clinging on to that. If his partners twitter is anything to go by (yes I'm sad enough to follow her) then they seem to be incredibly happy. In terms of his ability, I don't think anyone can deny he has talent. Time now to give him an extended run in the side and see if he can translate that talent into performances for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Obviously a class player but when he gets chances he seems to be mistiming his shot or not lifting it or lifting it too much. Compared to say Aguero or Negredo he isn't very efficient as of yet. Those 2 bury everything that comes their way. City had 10 shots on target yesterday and scored 6 goals. I've been disappointed by his contribution so far, but if we're judging him by their standards he'll never be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 I've been disappointed by his contribution so far, but if we're judging him by their standards he'll never be good enough. but we should be doing exactly that, our strikers should be as good as theirs, perhaps we'd have less of them but if you want to compete with the best you need the best players. To me there is no point in spending 16 million on a striker who doesn't start nigh on every game or scores from about 1 chance in every 5 or 6. You might as well throw in another 5 or 6 million and get someone who scores in virtually every other game. We need to start Osvaldo in every game for which he is fit and if that means chucking Lambert onto the scrap heap then so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 It takes time to settle and I'm fairly sure he must feel a bit of a pr*'k as he hasn't got on the scoresheet more than once. We've played 12 Prem. games so far ...he's been selected (from start) six times and has been subbed twice. He's come on as a late sub. 3 times = 1 goal. Disappointing? ..yes, but not totally unexpected. The Prem. is not Italy, (faster and much more physical ) and we don't play the same way as he's been used to. If we're still having the same discussion after the New Year, I'll be a bit more disatisfied, but he's not the only " big buy " in the Prem. who's finding it hard to adjust. If it were only money, then there would be a lot to moan about but in the present set-up he doesn't have anyone to play off. I wouldn't drop Rickie in favour of him, but maybe he could form a strike partnership with Jay Rod? .... .after all there are 26 Prem. games left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Needs to either work harder, score more, or stop bloody moaning. has he been moaning? I have honestly completely missed that. Where was he moaning and what did he say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 but we should be doing exactly that, our strikers should be as good as theirs, perhaps we'd have less of them but if you want to compete with the best you need the best players. To me there is no point in spending 16 million on a striker who doesn't start nigh on every game or scores from about 1 chance in every 5 or 6. You might as well throw in another 5 or 6 million and get someone who scores in virtually every other game. We need to start Osvaldo in every game for which he is fit and if that means chucking Lambert onto the scrap heap then so be it. Well, no - he should be anywhere between 33% and 62.5% as good, so he's only a brace off the pace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 He really just needs a solid run in the first team, in my opinion. He hasn't had that yet, so it's hard to make any real judgement on him just yet. I do think there is bound to be a period of adjustment, which is normal (despite some seeming to refute this). I also do think it means Rickie should sacrifice his place in the team for a bit. He could probably do with a rest, and knowing Rickie he will probably work harder and score a hat-trick at his next chance. Not for one minute am I suggesting we should get rid of Rickie, or he has no role to play. I do however, disagree that he isn't used to the system - surely the main reason for him coming here was the MP connection - so Osvaldo should be pretty aware of how MP plays and his role in the team. I largely think Gaston's problem has also been the lack of a real good run in the team, certainly over the past 12 months. It's hard to make a real impression when you are in and out of the team so much and not getting game time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 He really just needs a solid run in the first team, in my opinion. He hasn't had that yet, so it's hard to make any real judgement on him just yet. I do think there is bound to be a period of adjustment, which is normal (despite some seeming to refute this). I also do think it means Rickie should sacrifice his place in the team for a bit. He could probably do with a rest, and knowing Rickie he will probably work harder and score a hat-trick at his next chance. Not for one minute am I suggesting we should get rid of Rickie, or he has no role to play. I do however, disagree that he isn't used to the system - surely the main reason for him coming here was the MP connection - so Osvaldo should be pretty aware of how MP plays and his role in the team. I largely think Gaston's problem has also been the lack of a real good run in the team, certainly over the past 12 months. It's hard to make a real impression when you are in and out of the team so much and not getting game time. Hopefully now with no more internationals until March we'll be seeing some more consistent performances from our away all the time internationals. I think 3 international breaks in 3 months of football can only produce stuttering performances from those trying to adapt to new surroundings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 Hopefully now with no more internationals until March we'll be seeing some more consistent performances from our away all the time internationals. I think 3 international breaks in 3 months of football can only produce stuttering performances from those trying to adapt to new surroundings. Yeah, I hadn't really thought about that, but I would most definitely be inclined to agree. Ossie has (eerily thinking about it so did Gaston) picked up a few niggles here and there as well. It's frustrating, and I hope we do see more from him (both if I'm honest) soon. But it does strike me as very early to be sharpening the knives just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 He will come good IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 25 November, 2013 Share Posted 25 November, 2013 He is too slow for the PL - wants too much time. he is simply not delivering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 November, 2013 Share Posted 26 November, 2013 He is too slow for the PL - wants too much time. he is simply not delivering. He isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 26 November, 2013 Share Posted 26 November, 2013 has he been moaning? I have honestly completely missed that. Where was he moaning and what did he say? On the pitch on Saturday, over and over again every time he wasn't passed the ball. The few times he did get it he was no more or less productive than anyone else, and the one decent chance he had he finished awfully under little pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 November, 2013 His little tantrums are embarrasing and not keeping with the rest of the teams spirit and togetherness OsWaldo was not popular with players or fans at Roma and had a fresh start here, just seems he's carried all that negativity with him and seems intent on creating another team/fan divide. Strikes me as a Berbatov type (without the skill) Keep Calm And Pass Me The Ball! Pending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 November, 2013 Share Posted 26 November, 2013 His little tantrums are embarrasing and not keeping with the rest of the teams spirit and togetherness OsWaldo was not popular with players or fans at Roma and had a fresh start here, just seems he's carried all that negativity with him and seems intent on creating another team/fan divide. Strikes me as a Berbatov type (without the skill) Keep Calm And Pass Me The Ball! Pending McInnes or facepalm? Pick your poison.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibizasaint Posted 26 November, 2013 Share Posted 26 November, 2013 My Italian mates here told me that one of the reasons the Roma fans hate him is because he used to drive round in a car done out in the colours of the Argentina flag with pictures of Maradona on the doors.He is also supposed to be a disruptive influence. However they all agreed that he is a top quality striker and def one of the main men going into next years World Cup.They cant understand why he came to Saints when he couldve got a bigger club (in their eyes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 26 November, 2013 Share Posted 26 November, 2013 On the pitch on Saturday, over and over again every time he wasn't passed the ball. The few times he did get it he was no more or less productive than anyone else, and the one decent chance he had he finished awfully under little pressure. I agree with this, thought it was noticeable several times on Saturday , like a spoilt child having a tantrum, he needs to realise those other players have taken us from league one to top 4 of the Premier league and he needs to earn the right to get in the side. he also looked greedy on the ball, perhaps desperate to impress , but for me he is yet to show enough to claim a place in the starting XI and has similarities to Ramirez. a friend of mine at work (Italian) watches a lot of serie A games and said Osvaldo will have a fight with one of his own players at some point this season, lets hope Pochettinos experience of managing him in the past will help control him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'00' Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 http://www.sempreinter.com/2013/11/26/osvaldo-will-leave-southampton-battle-between-inter-and/ On his way.Not happy chappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 http://www.sempreinter.com/2013/11/26/osvaldo-will-leave-southampton-battle-between-inter-and/ On his way.Not happy chappy. I dont want to believe it but seems to be quite a few rumours flying about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 http://www.sempreinter.com/2013/11/26/osvaldo-will-leave-southampton-battle-between-inter-and/ On his way.Not happy chappy. Hmmmm. Hope not. No quotes or source. Quite a few noises on this though, so maybe something in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 Might just be the clapper in me - but I can't help but feel this is all still a continuation of the "adapting to the PL is difficult" comments that have been re-hashed to death. Haven't seen any quotes since to suggest there has been any further developments to this? Could be wrong of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 Could be a case of journos stirring in advance of the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleaford_Saint Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 Maybe (probably) making 2 + 2 = 5, but there are a couple of threads on this page from the Sun and mentioning Diego. What if the Osvaldo rumours have some substance and Atletico Madrid are interested, maybe the Sun have the wrong Diego: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_da_Silva_Costa Maybe a swap deal in the offing?? Just thinking aloud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 27 November, 2013 Share Posted 27 November, 2013 (edited) No but he doesn't even shake hands with the opposing players at the final whistle. Yesterday he just ran off (quicker than at any stage during the game too). I am losing patience with him, square peg in a round hole, a bit like Ramirez. £25m up the Swanee. Agenda.Our resident cut and paste "Author" is losing patience with him. Edited 27 November, 2013 by manji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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