Bearsy Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 No idea why he wasn't brought off and Lallana kept on. maybe the pre match rumours bout lallana carrying a knock weren't entirely groundless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Jesus f**king wept, I wonder about this place sometimes. Lovren was missing from a settled defence and the others were unsettled and made stupid mistakes. I never blame Jos, but his presence was the cause Alpine, just man up and admit you hate Jos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Overall i was pretty disappointed with Arsenal, they really didn't do an awful lot. You kind of felt they had another gear tho if they needed it, which unfortunately they didn't. I thought this too. First half-hour they were all over us, then just backed off once they had the goal. We had a few sniffs after that as the stats show, but at no point did we create the kind of pressure and chances Arsenal did in the first 25 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Osvaldo to fade away to oblivion like Gashton, or is their still hope? He looked good today as he did the other week. Not settled yet but he is a cracking player. Should have come on for Rickie earlier IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeintheslowlane Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Wanyama MoM by some distance. Boruc's howler...was just that. Watch the penalty tonight and ask yourself if it would have been given if it were at the other end. It looked like Fonte was picking fluff off Mertesacker's shirt. We acqitted ourselves well...considering the rejigging in defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Watch the penalty tonight and ask yourself if it would have been given if it were at the other end. Abso-*******-lutely The ref just wanted to put the game to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 ... would those two players have made those mistakes if Lovren had played ? Jose pulled an opponent's shirt - for some reason the ref decided that it was a pen. Technically he was correct, but 99.9% of the time they are not given. Lovren's presence would not have changed the ref's decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 maybe the pre match rumours bout lallana carrying a knock weren't entirely groundless. You're far too sensible these days me ol' mucker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Overall Arsenal edged it because of their quicker and more incisive play. We competed well, had a lot of the ball but too static and too much play in front on them. Lambert slow and poor today but didn't really get much service nor did Osvaldo when he came on. Rodriguez our best attacking player today but too much of his good play is about 20 yards too deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 He looked good today as he did the other week. Not settled yet but he is a cracking player. Should have come on for Rickie earlier IMO Agree - thought he looked direct and dangerous when he got the ball and could have been released on other occasions but for too slow build up. Thought they were vulnerable when players like Jrod ran at them and we didn't exploit this enough. By contrast, Mertesacker and co. had a field day against the longer ball, forcing Rickie to drop deeper and wider. Today showed how difficult it is to rely on the fulllbacks for width. Shaw had his hands full defending and had few, if any opportunities to get forward before he was subbed. Clyne struck a better balance between defense and attack, though Arsenal were pretty toothless down our right (compared to our left). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 maybe the pre match rumours bout lallana carrying a knock weren't entirely groundless. A sobering 2 nil defeat at league leaders Arsenal knocks the humour out of Bearsy who proceeds to post sensibly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Dejan Lovren, our leader at the back this season, may have given Boruc a shout to clear that first time if he was playing. We'll never know if he would have listened though... I was warned about Boruc doing this when he signed by a mate who watches a lot of Celtic. At least a couple of times a season apparently. He couldn't believe he'd lasted so long! Big Vic immense today. Wilshere bouncing off him first half and lying prone after was very entertaining. His passing today was excellent too. Another mature display from Ward-Prowse showing his tactical maturity by slotting in at right back. (As Gerrard has several times in his career too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 We were unfortunate with situations today. To start lovren was out for me our best player this season and our tony Adams and John terry with flair. As Gary neville pointed out he's the leader than organises our defence. Then the goalie making an horrendous mistake was again unfortunate. Undoing a bit of the good work he's done. If bayern or barca conceded like that against a pretty much full strength arsenal team they'd struggle. However, our response to it was brilliant. Controlling the game due to imperious wanyama and Morgan and ward prowse was causing problems with his crossing and energy. Unfortunately we couldn't create a really good chance. Clyne as good as he was made a great run but should of put the cross in early to the unmarked rickie to make it 1-1. Rickie had a poor game for me. U can forgive him not outpacing people but I do expect him to make a nuisance of himself with the quality of ward prowse crossing and play the right pass when in possession. I feel at home he's playing quite well but away not doing enough. Anyway, shaw going off meant we lost him, had to move clyne to the left, although he did v well wasn't his position and only had one full back for them to focus on. It also meant that ward prowse couldn't cause problems with his crossing and had to defend. Wanyama and Morgan didn't give ozil and carols a kick but Steven Davis didn't have his best game for us and didn't make impact. Osvaldo tried hard but I'm still not convinced he's the singing we needed. Should have been someone like lukaku for me. Hope I'm wrong. Still early days for him. J rod played well without creating anything really. Great shift though. Finally, the penalty given was a pen by law but it's hardly ever given so I think we again were unfortunate and of course arsenal couldn't break us down from open play with a weakened defence. Overall, I think that saints first eleven are a top six outfit however the squad (particularly without cork and gaston and guly on the bench) are probably around 12th. Jeff StellingJeff said saints back 6 have started more games than any other back six this season, so we've been lucky with injuries so far. We won't be that lucky all season so with a bit of luck and a bit further investment I think 8th is realistic this season. The club then has to make a decision if they want to invest significantly to be 6th or 5th and then even more to challenge for chamions league. Still we had more possession at the emirates , v rare and did v well. Just a bit unlucky with circumstances. Villa for me is key as v tough at chelsea and think we need to take 4 from villa and city at home. We have great manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 You're far too sensible these days me ol' mucker No-one cares bout my genuine opinions Tell us a joke bear! Write us a scout report! Dance bear, dance! It's not easy being me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Nope. Its not the relevant question, as you well know. The one you are seemingly finding difficult to grasp the concept of is, would those two players have made those mistakes if Lovren had played ? Ok well I dont that much difference in the questions but I'll go with yours... and the answer in my opinion would be yes... because they were individual situations that no other player directly influenced. Assumng you think the answer to your question is no, perhaps you could explain why? Quite why you needed to start along this path with your 'Jesus wept' comment still baffles me. Your lack of respect or tolerance for alternative views is not a good quality IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 No-one cares bout my genuine opinions Tell us a joke bear! Write us a scout report! Dance bear, dance! It's not easy being me And there was such a rich seam of material to play with- to start, the huge gay gooners flag directly in front of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Because you NEVER saw it and when you do ( I encourage you to watch the whole game) you will see that Arsenal are/were clearly better than us. Don't get me wrong I am loving our position right now but we have been beaten by clearly the better team. And if people think we are up that standard then i suggest they take off the rose tinted glasses. We were nowhere near their standard today. Their fluency was a joy to watch. We played our usual possessional football but didn't really hurt them. The stats will show we had more possession and shots but not threatening shots. I would still like to see another AL type of midfielder bought in in January. Defence today didnt really do a lot wrong (Boruc aside). We lost this game in midfield and up front today. I think we are actually agreeing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Can I just add I thought hooiveld did well today. I was worried with him in team but gave a 7/10 performance. Well done Jo's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 We are batting above our supposed average and where many think we'll finish. If we stay in the top 5, that would be a stunning season and completely unexpected in anyone's eyes. If we ARE to stay there, I do think we need a little more depth, simple as that. A centre back to compete with Lovren and Fonte and another creative spark who can play a killer, defence splitting pass to compete with the guys at the front. That'll do me. Arsenal will, I think, win this league, although it'll be silly to write Man City off obviously. We were unlucky today in some respects and on another day it could have been 0-0. Hey ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Rickie had a poor game for me. *faints* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 No-one cares bout my genuine opinions Tell us a joke bear! Write us a scout report! Dance bear, dance! It's not easy being me I didn't get that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 We are batting above our supposed average and where many think we'll finish. If we stay in the top 5, that would be a stunning season and completely unexpected in anyone's eyes. If we ARE to stay there, I do think we need a little more depth, simple as that. A centre back to compete with Lovren and Fonte and another creative spark who can play a killer, defence splitting pass to compete with the guys at the front. That'll do me. Arsenal will, I think, win this league, although it'll be silly to write Man City off obviously. We were unlucky today in some respects and on another day it could have been 0-0. Hey ho. Gaston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 *faints* Time to close the forum, now we´ve seen it all here. Nothing more to see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Could easily gained a draw had Lallana not been taken off. Osvaldo is a disaster and Yoshida up front would have given us more of a chance at scoring. With Shaw possibly out Yoshida deserves a place in the side in preference to Fox. Few mention Yoshida was in the Japan side that beat the currently upbeat Belgium side 3-2 this week. Tomorrows results will be a good indication how the season is going to pan out for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Could easily gained a draw had Lallana not been taken off. Osvaldo is a disaster and Yoshida up front would have given us more of a chance at scoring. With Shaw possibly out Yoshida deserves a place in the side in preference to Fox. Few mention Yoshida was in the Japan side that beat the currently upbeat Belgium side 3-2 this week. Tomorrows results will be a good indication how the season is going to pan out for us. Yoshida didn't start against Belgium but he did start in the 2-2 against Holland where Japan really should have won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Yoshida up front would have given us more of a chance at scoring. You been smoking the same stuff as Boruc....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Boruc 2 Clyne 7 Fonte 6 Hooiveld 7 Shaw 7 Wanyama 8 Morgan 7 Lallana 7 J rod 7 Jwp 7 Lambert 5 Subs: Osvaldo 5 S Davis 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Unfortunately the mistake by Boruc has been an accident waiting to happen for weeks, how many times have you seen him do this in the past. It looks great when it comes off, but I think we have tried dodging that bullet once too often. As for the penalty I would love to see some consitency with the officials, not quite sure we would have been given it, and how often do you see it go unpunished. Still, wasn't expecting a win so whilst dissapointed I think the players still show enough about them to prove that they desrve to be in the top half, possible top eight come the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 No-one cares bout my genuine opinions Tell us a joke bear! Write us a scout report! Dance bear, dance! It's not easy being me Tough at the top, Bearsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I'm suprised so many people are having a go at Rickie. Strikers need service and he got little today. Whilst not his greatest game, I don't think he was that bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 No-one cares bout my genuine opinions Tell us a joke bear! Write us a scout report! Dance bear, dance! It's not easy being me Group hug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steadyeddie Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Boruc 2 Clyne 7 Fonte 6 Hooiveld 7 Shaw 7 Wanyama 8 Morgan 7 Lallana 7 J rod 7 Jwp 7 Lambert 5 Subs: Osvaldo 5 S Davis 5 I think that is a fair assumption. We were not outclassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Apart from 20 mins in 2nd half, it was very subduded from the Saints fans today. Wanyama MOM by country mile. Lastly just how does Clattenburg qualify as a ref? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Thought VW was immense again for us today, did not deserve to be on the losing side But. For me the MoM has to be Jos. We all thought he would be the weak link & would let us down & the opposite was true, he did NOTHING to let us down. Disappointed to be beaten by a stupidly soft penalty & a keeper blooper that will keep Boruc in Pizza Adverts until he becomes senile Next week at this rate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 The other great thing about watching with the Dubai Saints crew at Barasti If the footie is depressing, there is ALWAYS the women. Big shout out to The Aggreko Dynamo's - cheerleaders for next week's Rugby 7's down here who joined us for the game (Yes Tokes TMS quality pics next week mate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Speak of yourself pal, a few of us have been grounded and realise where we are, probably over a season will finish 7th-9th but far from a top 4 side. Our first XI when everyone if fit and firing will give anyone a game but outside of 13-14 players lack depth. Of course we were called trolls and negative. As for today, I didn't see the game but it sounds like we were no worse than Liverpool were there a few weeks ago and lost to a very good side due to an error and a harsh penalty. Defeat not unexpected although the manner of it is. Losing away to arsenal no need to panic. We will finish top 7 barring a horrendous injury crisis. We lost to day because lovren Shaw and boruc were all missing. Lallana had to go off and that was that. We gave a very good account of ourselves bar 2 errors and at full strength would have got a draw. Boruc had an utter howler. Many chances to clear it but turns back on himself 3 times. It is awful. Left just b4 pen. But for large stretches we were on top and pushing for a goal... And that is without Adam, lovren and Shaw. Peeps need to get a grip. We are still 4th and have played 3 top teams away and deserved 5points from them tbh. Defensive errors aside we would have got a draw today. But this won't happen every week a d at least we did them against a team we have no right to expect to beat rather than a main rival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 The other great thing about watching with the Dubai Saints crew at Barasti If the footie is depressing, there is ALWAYS the women. Big shout out to The Aggreko Dynamo's - cheerleaders for next week's Rugby 7's down here who joined us for the game (Yes Tokes TMS quality pics next week mate) Superb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Ok well I dont that much difference in the questions but I'll go with yours... and the answer in my opinion would be yes... because they were individual situations that no other player directly influenced. Assumng you think the answer to your question is no, perhaps you could explain why? Fratton Park. April 2005. I watched a dire central defence partnership of a disinterested Lundekvam and w*nker Davenport turn one of the best goalkeepers this club has ever had into utter sh*te because of a lack of trust and understanding amongst the back 5. Whether you and all the clappies like it or not, the back 5 understanding is crucial to the way they perform as a unit. I am strongly of the opinion that however good he was destined to play himself, the introduction of Hooiveld for a sick Lovren threw the back 5 and made them less settled and certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Fratton Park. April 2005. I watched a dire central defence partnership of a disinterested Lundekvam and w*nker Davenport turn one of the best goalkeepers this club has ever had into utter sh*te because of a lack of trust and understanding amongst the back 5. Whether you and all the clappies like it or not, the back 5 understanding is crucial to the way they perform as a unit. I am strongly of the opinion that however good he was destined to play himself, the introduction of Hooiveld for a sick Lovren threw the back 5 and made them less settled and certain. Weird post, just weird considering how the goals came about today. Absolutely nothing because unsettlement in the back 5 due to Hooiveld playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I was there! I couldn't get tickets though but then I received this tweet... Should have done the lottery.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 The other great thing about watching with the Dubai Saints crew at Barasti If the footie is depressing, there is ALWAYS the women. Big shout out to The Aggreko Dynamo's - cheerleaders for next week's Rugby 7's down here who joined us for the game (Yes Tokes TMS quality pics next week mate) Is that Eric peering over the shoulder of the bald bloke by the TV? Couldn't you have found him a space at the front, on someone's knee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Some of the comments in here are bewildering. Excellent performance at league leaders, who are a top European team. We lost, it happens. Encouraging stuff though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Today's support... [video=youtube_share;yJBPn9N3Vd0] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I was there! I couldn't get tickets though but then I received this tweet... Should have done the lottery.... Luke gave you his spare tickets? True story? Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Very disappointed but we had possession but offered nothing up front - Lallana should have used Mertesecker as a shield with the keeper too far to his left but he shot straight at the keeper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Luke gave you his spare tickets? True story? Wow Seriously - he gave me tix. I *think* this was his writing... maybe, if not I don't care, I was there with the missus with tickets given to us by Luke Shaw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Seriously - he gave me tix. I *think* this was his writing... maybe, if not I don't care, I was there with the missus with tickets given to us by Luke Shaw! Top lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Top lad Agreed- Luke Shaw can have my babies Was a little worried it was a spoof until we went to the players ticket booth and they gave me two tickets. Top lad, shame about the result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 The other great thing about watching with the Dubai Saints crew at Barasti If the footie is depressing, there is ALWAYS the women. Big shout out to The Aggreko Dynamo's - cheerleaders for next week's Rugby 7's down here who joined us for the game (Yes Tokes TMS quality pics next week mate) Phil, which one is you pal? I reckon its the one on the right in the sash kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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