Rebel Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I'm disappointed we didn't beat Arsenal at the Emirates by 2 goals and go top of the premier league after 12 games - that's says it all really - I never thought I'd be saying that just 3 years ago. We didn't play our first 11 and lost to a dodgy penalty and a goal keeping muck up - but we still edged the possession and had 2 more shots. I'm still enjoying it. If we are going to push for a European place this season we do need to strengthen in key areas in January - and I'm sure the club know that whatever they are saying in public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 To be fair we only had a clear chance on target and we never looked like we were going to score. Maybe get a corner and who knows but it always looked unlikely. Taking Lallana for Osvaldo meant that we lost a lot in terms of possession and presence in their midfield which I think is more important for us rather than having two strikers on the pitch. Regarding the penalty it was given because one player moaned like a kid, no other reason in there. There was a great shot on one of the replays that shows every single player around Fonte and Mertesacker tugging each ones shirt. More importantly the ball was way too high for any player in that area but it's always easier to decide for the big home team so that the media don't look into an already rep-damaged Mr.Clattenburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 If we are honest we have been beaten by a far better side today. A goal keeper howler just in time for the Christmas DVD and a penalty that should be given in nearly EVERY game of football but i felt that they could have scored at will. Arsenal were by far the better team when they had the ball, moving it around with purpose and looked like they could score at any moment. We played neatly at times but were second best to the ball all day long. With many stray passes and a very off form RL. AL looked lively but I am guessing that Poch is protecting him for next week as the game was already lost. My MOM went to Jrod because he really drove the ball forward when ever he had the chance, looked like our best chance to score thats for sure. Move on get everyone back to training and for me it does show that we are nowhere near where we THINK we are. Subs made very little impact today and shows that we still lack quality in depth. Boruc does not deserve to hung drawn and quartered he has won us enough points in the past (JUST DONT DO IT AGAIN). Speak of yourself pal, a few of us have been grounded and realise where we are, probably over a season will finish 7th-9th but far from a top 4 side. Our first XI when everyone if fit and firing will give anyone a game but outside of 13-14 players lack depth. Of course we were called trolls and negative. As for today, I didn't see the game but it sounds like we were no worse than Liverpool were there a few weeks ago and lost to a very good side due to an error and a harsh penalty. Defeat not unexpected although the manner of it is. Losing away to arsenal no need to panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 That was going to happen sooner or later with Boruc. He needs to remember he's the goalkeeper and never ever try and take an outfield player on in our penalty area just put his foot through it in those circumstances. Fonte didn't need to grab Merteseker shirt he wasn't going to score from there. Jos had a decent game. Fonte passing back to Boruc on most occasions he has possession isn't helping us. The last three games, the wind assist, Fonte to Boruc to Wanyama, and now these two gifts smacks of casualness by Boruc. He is a really good keeper but he needs wringing out big time as this is unprofessional. I thought we did pretty well and Arsenal must feel mighty pleased at the gifts because they sure as hell didn't win the game by their play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Those nagging doubts just get a little louder with every passing game. 27m - a lot of money for little return.. Cortese's ego buys have failed, so little for so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Beaten by a better team but the sounds of it. Still, it's 4 points from trips to Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea. If they came from 4 draws we'd all be over the moon, so this game was almost a free hit. Don't really feel bad about it. On to the next one, let's see what we can nick at the Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Mind telling me how many goals he's scored from open play since January? Or just any that aren't penalties? No I'm sure he's still good though I have no need to justify Lambert to you and if you believe your post about him being finished i will be wasting my time in any case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Few sides will get such possession stats at Emirates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Osvaldo gave away two stupid free-kicks when he came on and gave up on a ball that he should have been closing down, he seems to have the wrong mentality at the moment. So, so frustrating to lose a game in that fashion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Rubbish .....stupidness cost us the game,we need to be more professional if we are serious about pushing for a euro place. I'm disappointed that we could of got something from the game but put it right, learn from it and move on to the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey88 Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 You can't go to the Emirates and gift wrap them one never mind two goals and expect to come away with much, simple as that. More frustrated than downhearted following that as without those to errors we could of came away with a very credible draw. In terms of chances created, whilst they were better on the ball I wouldn't say say that they had us on the wrack for large portions of the play and we created just as many half chances as they did. Whilst, i'm not saying Boruc should be dropped someone does need to have a word with him as he seems to want to overplay it too much when it just isn't on for him, it seems a mentality issue rather than ability/ To be fair he did improve on that after halftime. Despite the flack he recieved before kick off I thought Jos looked ok, not as classy as Lovren obviously but didn't look out of his depth. Hopefully, Dejan and Shaw will both be back next week though as I thought our overall shape looked slightly unbalanced in the second half. Final point from me, time to give Osvaldo a run in the side. Whilst he hasn't particularly shone just yet, he isn't going to prove anything sat on the bench and he deserves a shot, whether or not he fits into a side with Lambert I dont know, that's one for Poch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Boruc and Fonte? So nothing to do with Hooiveld, who replaced Lovren. What's your point? Jesus f**king wept, I wonder about this place sometimes. Lovren was missing from a settled defence and the others were unsettled and made stupid mistakes. I never blame Jos, but his presence was the cause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Worth noting that on the day Lovren is missing, which 2 players gifted Arsenal the game. Jose did something that every CB does in every game, and almost never gets penalised. And we got the subs badly wrong. MoPo made them for what seemed to him to be valid reasons - hindsight's great, isn't it ! Learn from it, pray Lovren is fit next game, and move on. Jos was OK today, more worried about the loss of Shaw. MoPo needs to reconsider his approach to the January window, though.. Why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Worth noting that on the day Lovren is missing, which 2 players gifted Arsenal the game. And we got the subs badly wrong. Learn from it, pray Lovren is fit next game, and move on. MoPo needs to reconsider his approach to the January window, though.. Fonte had Giroud in his back pocket all afternoon and shirt tugging is something that I have seen Lovren get away with this season. In fact make that any CB of the big 4 and the PL. Lovren let the ball go for Boruc when that Stoke goal went in. Maybe if he wasn't playing it wouldn't have gone in? What is your point really? Sometimes it's better to write things as they are rather than how we want them to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redder freak Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Better than last season, but a bit disappointed not to get something. Saints had more possession, more corners and more shots, but unfortunately failed to score. If we're going to move up another level then we need to get something out of these games, like we did at United. Onwards and upwards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Beaten by a better team but the sounds of it. it was kind of even really, type of game where the "better team" plaudits are decided by who happens to get the breaks in front of goal. They were no more the better team than Liverpool or Man Utd when we got results up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Jesus f**king wept, I wonder about this place sometimes. Lovren was missing from a settled defence and the others were unsettled and made stupid mistakes. I never blame Jos, but his presence was the cause ROTHFLMAO... So its Jos` fault Boruc cocked up and Fonte pulled the shirt, christ you do make some desperate claims to try to justfy your view...no wonder few take you seriously.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 The more people who post that they are disappointed we lost at Arsenal the better. Shows how far we have come (Yes, I know that the thought police don;'t allow such reminiscing, but hey ho...) The more disappointed we are the better. Bring it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Jesus f**king wept, I wonder about this place sometimes. Lovren was missing from a settled defence and the others were unsettled and made stupid mistakes. I never blame Jos, but his presence was the cause lol, thanks for that reasoned reply. So just to clarify, you think that had Lovren been on the pitch, Boruc wouldn't have done what he did, and nor would Fonte have grabbed the shirt? I'm not going to, but I would suggest I have more basis for using the phrase 'Jesus f*cking wept' than you do, and I would bet hard cash that most people on here would agree with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 That was going to happen sooner or later with Boruc. He needs to remember he's the goalkeeper and never ever try and take an outfield player on in our penalty area just put his foot through it in those circumstances. Fonte didn't need to grab Merteseker shirt he wasn't going to score from there. Jos had a decent game. Fonte passing back to Boruc on most occasions he has possession isn't helping us. The last three games, the wind assist, Fonte to Boruc to Wanyama, and now these two gifts smacks of casualness by Boruc. He is a really good keeper but he needs wringing out big time as this is unprofessional. I thought we did pretty well and Arsenal must feel mighty pleased at the gifts because they sure as hell didn't win the game by their play. Maybe what's not helping is that the wing players aren't coming closer to the CBs/Boruc to given them a passing option. Same could be said of the centre-mids....this is a frequent problem in our game whenever the opposition sticks their forward players deep in our midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 it was kind of even really, type of game where the "better team" plaudits are decided by who happens to get the breaks in front of goal. They were no more the better team than Liverpool or Man Utd when we got results up there. didn't think they were a better team at all, just got lucky when we got sloppy. We were poor in attack though, good build up, not much at the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 The more people who post that they are disappointed we lost at Arsenal the better. Shows how far we have come (Yes, I know that the thought police don;'t allow such reminiscing, but hey ho...) The more disappointed we are the better. Bring it on. Absolutely. I just hope the players and staff channel that disappointment towards improving, rather than it being a case of 'oh well, it was Arsenal who are rather good, so lets forget about it'. They didn't blow us away, they didn't carve us open... we could and should've done better. So lets make sure that next time we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 didn't think they were a better team at all, just got lucky when we got sloppy. We were poor in attack though, good build up, not much at the end of it. Think that's a fair sum up. Bit of a frustrating one really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint 76er Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 The Panto season comes early this year > "He's behind you", "Oh no he's not", "Oh yes he is, Artur".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I just noticed Crystal Palace won away at Hull today..... perspective.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I just noticed Crystal Palace won away at Hull today..... perspective.... I get what you mean (and I agree), but it's not like they were going to lose all their games... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I have no need to justify Lambert to you and if you believe your post about him being finished i will be wasting my time in any case... Aka, you cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I just noticed Crystal Palace won away at Hull today..... perspective.... You missed the hashtag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Gutted, but lets move on and hope Shaw and Lovren are fit for the Chelsea game. Bad mistake by Boruc, but he has won us points this season. Would liked to have seen Gallagher come on when we went 2-0 down, good experience for him. Well atleast the trolls have something to celebrate tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I am sure that is true; the contents of your posts is often cosy consentual cr*p Are you capable of debating the point at hand? Care to clarify my question? Do you think Lovren would've prevented their goals, given that they were individual errors by specific players, who were NOT Lovren's replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stepgar Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Speak of yourself pal, a few of us have been grounded and realise where we are, probably over a season will finish 7th-9th but far from a top 4 side. Our first XI when everyone if fit and firing will give anyone a game but outside of 13-14 players lack depth. Of course we were called trolls and negative. As for today, I didn't see the game but it sounds like we were no worse than Liverpool were there a few weeks ago and lost to a very good side due to an error and a harsh penalty. Defeat not unexpected although the manner of it is. Losing away to arsenal no need to panic. Because you NEVER saw it and when you do ( I encourage you to watch the whole game) you will see that Arsenal are/were clearly better than us. Don't get me wrong I am loving our position right now but we have been beaten by clearly the better team. And if people think we are up that standard then i suggest they take off the rose tinted glasses. We were nowhere near their standard today. Their fluency was a joy to watch. We played our usual possessional football but didn't really hurt them. The stats will show we had more possession and shots but not threatening shots. I would still like to see another AL type of midfielder bought in in January. Defence today didnt really do a lot wrong (Boruc aside). We lost this game in midfield and up front today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 You missed the hashtag #sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Arsenal are/were clearly better than us. Not according to the match stats they weren't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I am a happy clapper and hate being bullied by some of these horrible posters:rolleyes: Once again I ask are these trolls/wum or just non Saints supporters? We are still the mighty Saints........one of the best football yeams in the land:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 It seems that MP really doesn't rate Yoshida if he would opt for the drastic change of moving Clyne to the other side and pulling JWP out of an effective midfield until rather than putting Maya on. That, as much as the strange withdrawal of Lallana when Rickie was playing so poorly, changed things very much for the worse. When it comes to Boruc, there's a fine line between confidence and arrogance. MP needs to have a strong word in his ear because Boruc's mindset is such that he's likely to try exactly the same thing again next week. But, at the end of the day we played the top team away from home, made several major individual errors (including managerial ones), lost a vital player to illness before the game and another to injury during it, and we were still very much in the game before a contentious penalty decision. Forgetting the result and the manner of the defeat, I'd say that's quite encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Not according to the match stats they weren't... Overall i was pretty disappointed with Arsenal, they really didn't do an awful lot. You kind of felt they had another gear tho if they needed it, which unfortunately they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Maybe what's not helping is that the wing players aren't coming closer to the CBs/Boruc to given them a passing option. Same could be said of the centre-mids....this is a frequent problem in our game whenever the opposition sticks their forward players deep in our midfield. Often Boruc passes out to Fonte in the RB position with plenty of time, he doesn't anticipate and already have a target, instead he receives the ball then starts to look, often changes his mind takes more touches then gets closed down and passes back to Boruc. It's Ok for possession but more often than not the ball is then played long by Boruc. I'd prefer Fonte if he starts to be closed down to hit Lambert if he isn't going to play to feet quickly. We are so good at winning the ball back that it's worth going for Lambert or Rodriguez. The centre is always going to be congested when the CBs have the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 I voted Fonte for MOTM because he commanded the defense quite well, that penalty was a ridiculous decision that frankly is only given when referee's are bored and he had Giroud in his back pocket the whole game. Of course this forum's hatred for said CB will never allow them to even judge his performances as they are. It has been like this even in his best performances and form moments. In fact most don't even pay attention to his game and resort to stereotyping or picking specific moments of weakness, which of course is cheap and hypocritical. Funny that since 2009 CBs seem to come and go but he is the only one who has been consistently in the squad sheet or in any case has come back to it after only leaving it through injury. But of course I'm sure any of the bed wetters on here will have plenty excuses to justify it and none of them praising him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Arsenal FC @Arsenal Wenger: "We have a long way to go but we have the ambition, the focus and the desire. Southampton showed they are a good side" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 We have lost two games now. We totally suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmacian_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Often Boruc passes out to Fonte in the RB position with plenty of time, he doesn't anticipate and already have a target, instead he receives the ball then starts to look, often changes his mind takes more touches then gets closed down and passes back to Boruc. It's Ok for possession but more often than not the ball is then played long by Boruc. I'd prefer Fonte if he starts to be closed down to hit Lambert if he isn't going to play to feet quickly. We are so good at winning the ball back that it's worth going for Lambert or Rodriguez. The centre is always going to be congested when the CBs have the ball. Agreed, but to be fair both Fonte and Lovren (and Yoshida and Hooiveld) have gone long whenever they couldn't find a pass, however it seems to be highly discouraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Adam Blackmore @bigadamsport Mauricio Pochettino flat-out refuses to blame Artur Boruc for #saintsfc defeat "we win together we lose together" admirable stance but I imagine privately he would be fuming - but no point in publicly berating keeper, he needs him to keep performing #saintsfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Overall i was pretty disappointed with Arsenal, they really didn't do an awful lot. You kind of felt they had another gear tho if they needed it, which unfortunately they didn't. That post didn't make me chuckle. Get back to your game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Suarez was flown home from the Uraguay WC qualifiers by private jet because they were still playing on Thursday, wonder if Gaston joined him, if not then he would not have been back in time to train and play. Also, wonder what the reaction would have been on here if Kelvin made that cock up, Boruc is no doubt our best keeper but we can't afford to give those sort of goals away at this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Chelsea take the lead at West Ham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Arsenal FC @Arsenal Wenger: "We have a long way to go but we have the ambition, the focus and the desire. Southampton showed they are a good side" Wenger probably said we were a good side the year we got relegated, they churn that compliment out after every victory so I take little out of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Genuinly more annoyed than losing 6-1 here last season. Thought we could have caused an upset today and we played ok, but Boruc howler and Lovren out caused us problems. Without Shaw and Lovren we looked a bit sh1t tbh. Lambert had a shocker. No idea why he wasn't brought off and Lallana kept on. Hopefully we'll do better at Chelsea. Coys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Wenger probably said we were a good side the year we got relegated, they churn that compliment out after every victory so I take little out of that. Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 November, 2013 Share Posted 23 November, 2013 Are you capable of debating the point at hand? Care to clarify my question? Do you think Lovren would've prevented their goals, given that they were individual errors by specific players, who were NOT Lovren's replacement. Nope. Its not the relevant question, as you well know. The one you are seemingly finding difficult to grasp the concept of is, would those two players have made those mistakes if Lovren had played ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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