"The British are actively hostile towards young people"

[KelvinsRightGlove]

A really interesting article, that succicntly sums up a lot of the things I have seen and experienced, food for thought:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/20/british-hostile-young-people-politicians-vote

[Tokyo-Saint]

Maybe it's cause they are always banging on about Arcade Fire or Passion Pit or getting told off at the call centre for talking.

 

Kids, know your limits!

 

 

Just kidding KRG, love you and the other hoodies like super mikey really. You are the future. The children of tomorrow.

[buctootim]

There was another report a few days ago talking about how people now call the police about 'anti social behaviour' which 25 years ago would have been normal youth activities.

 

The single biggest thing we need to do urgently is build 2 million decent sized new houses and bring the price of buying and renting down. Being trapped in parental homes or paying such a high percentage of income on rent / mortgage that other reasonable expectations for a working person - like holidays, socialising, cars become impossible is a major quality of life blight for much, maybe most, of the population.

[holepuncture]

A really interesting article, that succicntly sums up a lot of the things I have seen and experienced, food for thought:

 

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/20/british-hostile-young-people-politicians-vote

 

The youth who have been sacrificed by government in this new age of 'austerity' will not forget these days. They will grow older, their naivety will fade as they wise up and rise up.

 

The youth will lead the revolution and the middle classes will follow.

 

Russel Brand will no doubt have a role too!

[pap]

There are a lot of things going on here. Most are a natural consequence of the way our economy is going and the political situation that underpins it.

 

Speak to a few of the older blokes on here, and I'm sure you'll have people tell you that you could leave one job on a Friday only to enter another on the next Monday, all without the nonsense of having qualifications. That was the Britain of 40-50 years ago.

 

Today, many of those jobs have disappeared from Britain altogether and will never come back. The power of globalisation if you like. Compounding the problem is our arrangement in Europe, meaning that young people have to fight for jobs with hungry Eastern European migrants, and will have a real problem - not just in terms of competition, but also with things like apprenticeships, etc. Why would an employer spend years developing an 18 year old fresh out of college when they can just employ someone from Eastern Europe that is fully qualified and undimmed by the general apathy that Brits have toward menial work?

 

It's an employer's market that contains fewer jobs. Risk-averse employers will almost always go for known quantities over youth. Just another example of what can go wrong when you let free markets run wild.

[Barry Sanchez]

There are a lot of things going on here. Most are a natural consequence of the way our economy is going and the political situation that underpins it.

 

Speak to a few of the older blokes on here, and I'm sure you'll have people tell you that you could leave one job on a Friday only to enter another on the next Monday, all without the nonsense of having qualifications. That was the Britain of 40-50 years ago.

 

Today, many of those jobs have disappeared from Britain altogether and will never come back. The power of globalisation if you like. Compounding the problem is our arrangement in Europe, meaning that young people have to fight for jobs with hungry Eastern European migrants, and will have a real problem - not just in terms of competition, but also with things like apprenticeships, etc. Why would an employer spend years developing an 18 year old fresh out of college when they can just employ someone from Eastern Europe that is fully qualified and undimmed by the general apathy that Brits have toward menial work?

 

It's an employer's market that contains fewer jobs. Risk-averse employers will almost always go for known quantities over youth. Just another example of what can go wrong when you let free markets run wild.

 

And when others put that they they are called racist and fearmongering by the liberal elite. We have whored ourselves to the World in exchange for cheap Labour and millions of passports and ecomonic migrants who have no love nor affiliation to this Country.

We make nothing here as its cheaper elsewhere, I do wonder do other powerhouses of economy like Germany do that?

 

 

(I wrote about this a year ago and got called allsorts for it, better late than never I suppose)

Edited 21 November, 2013 by Barry Sanchez

[pap]

And when others put that they they are called racist and fearmongering by the liberal elite. We have whored ourselves to the World in exchange for cheap Labour and millions of passports and ecomonic migrants who have no love nor affiliation to this Country.

We make nothing here as its cheaper elsewhere, I wonder do other powerhouses of economy like Germany do that?

 

(I wrote about this a year ago and got called allsorts for it, better late than never I suppose)

 

The liberal elite aren't the problem, Barry. It's the actual elite you need to be aware of. The sort of people who allow the likes of Cadburys to be sold to Kraft. The people that hold stocks and demand that a company has an Eastern European / Far Eastern base to compete in the globalised economy. The business leaders that clamour for more Europe, because it suits them down to the ground.

 

As I said in my earlier post, the last Labour government does have a lot to answer for, but they're far from having exclusive responsibility for this mess. Ted Heath got us into Europe. John Major signed us up for Maastrict, which created the Single Market we know today. Labour's big mistake during their tenure was to allow early admission to newly acceded member states. It's worth pointing out that seven years later, the UK would have had no power to stop people from coming over anyway. Would have just taken another seven years for it to happen.

[Turkish]

thats because most young people are utter cretins. Look at the ones that populate this site. Supermikey the lazy Uni drop out whose hobbies include eating. Bowers the failed McDonalds worker who falls on his fat arse doing a simple 50 yard sprint and now battling for his future in a call centre as he desperately tries to be the James Cordon of the office. SaintAndy666, a know it all with an encyclopedic knowledge and experience of everything despite barely being out of nappies. From the Mcjobber to the Uni drop out to the Oxford student, it's pretty decent cross section of Yoof we have on here and it aint pretty.

[Tokyo-Saint]

What they need is sales training Turks.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

thats because most young people are utter cretins. Look at the ones that populate this site. Supermikey the lazy Uni drop out whose hobbies include eating. Bowers the failed McDonalds worker who falls on his fat arse doing a simple 50 yard sprint and now battling for his future in a call centre as he desperately tries to be the James Cordon of the office. SaintAndy666, a know it all with an encyclopedic knowledge and experience of everything despite barely being out of nappies. From the Mcjobber to the Uni drop out to the Oxford student, it's pretty decent cross section of Yoof we have on here and it aint pretty.

 

 

You couldn't make it up.

 

Call us all hypocrites again Turks.

[Barry Sanchez]

The liberal elite aren't the problem, Barry. It's the actual elite you need to be aware of. The sort of people who allow the likes of Cadburys to be sold to Kraft. The people that hold stocks and demand that a company has an Eastern European / Far Eastern base to compete in the globalised economy. The business leaders that clamour for more Europe, because it suits them down to the ground.

 

As I said in my earlier post, the last Labour government does have a lot to answer for, but they're far from having exclusive responsibility for this mess. Ted Heath got us into Europe. John Major signed us up for Maastrict, which created the Single Market we know today. Labour's big mistake during their tenure was to allow early admission to newly acceded member states. It's worth pointing out that seven years later, the UK would have had no power to stop people from coming over anyway. Would have just taken another seven years for it to happen.

 

Not if we had control of our own affairs, the whole issue of Europe is deeply undemocratic, the reason Europe is expanding is cheap labour for big business, this undercuts the worker already here and turns them against each other.

It has nothing to do with race but it has everything to do with the eroding rights of the common man and the assimiliation of the economic migrant.

The liberal elite from their secluded Surrey mansions will never understand this and I shall never understand them.

[Turkish]

 

You couldn't make it up.

 

Call us all hypocrites again Turks.

 

That too and blood suckers and parasites, thinking the world owes them all something.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

That too and blood suckers and parasites, thinking the world owes them all something.

 

Wow, such informed insights.

[SuperMikey]

Maybe it's cause they are always banging on about Arcade Fire or Passion Pit or getting told off at the call centre for talking.

 

Kids, know your limits!

 

 

Just kidding KRG, love you and the other hoodies like super mikey really. You are the future. The children of tomorrow.

 

I'm doing very well in the call centre actually

 

thats because most young people are utter cretins. Look at the ones that populate this site. Supermikey the lazy Uni drop out whose hobbies include eating. Bowers the failed McDonalds worker who falls on his fat arse doing a simple 50 yard sprint and now battling for his future in a call centre as he desperately tries to be the James Cordon of the office. SaintAndy666, a know it all with an encyclopedic knowledge and experience of everything despite barely being out of nappies. From the Mcjobber to the Uni drop out to the Oxford student, it's pretty decent cross section of Yoof we have on here and it aint pretty.

 

I wouldn't say the cross-section of people in their 40s on this site fills us with much more hope either though.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Wasn't talking about you Mikey. After hearing your podcasts, I knew you were destined to be a success in the call centre.

 

It was the other guy who was turning around and talking, then getting told off by teacher I was on about.

[pap]

Not if we had control of our own affairs, the whole issue of Europe is deeply undemocratic, the reason Europe is expanding is cheap labour for big business, this undercuts the worker already here and turns them against each other.

It has nothing to do with race but it has everything to do with the eroding rights of the common man and the assimiliation of the economic migrant.

The liberal elite from their secluded Surrey mansions will never understand this and I shall never understand them.

 

Well, it's a damned shame that each and every one of our mainstream political parties is committed to the EU project and that UKIP, the only people arguing stridently for an exit, might be full of racists. Personally I have no real problem with Farage, but many of his supporters are foaming at the mouth. Perhaps that's just the consequence of being passionate, but it'll give people pause before they decide to vote for UKIP.

[Turkish]

I'm doing very well in the call centre actually

 

 

 

I wouldn't say the cross-section of people in their 40s on this site fills us with much more hope either though.[/color]

 

Such as?

[Barry Sanchez]

Well, it's a damned shame that each and every one of our mainstream political parties is committed to the EU project and that UKIP, the only people arguing stridently for an exit, might be full of racists. Personally I have no real problem with Farage, but many of his supporters are foaming at the mouth. Perhaps that's just the consequence of being passionate, but it'll give people pause before they decide to vote for UKIP.

 

You vote for a parties policies not their supporters. You could argue the liberal party and the extreme left of the Labour party are inverted racist and have more time for the immigrant than they do for the rejected jobless neet in Rochdale.

Cheap skilled labour from abroad means we will always take the easy option and forget our own citizens here and now, big business wins and the small man loses.

We are now a Nation of unskilled call centres and opposed to shipbuilders and aeroplane builders.

[Spudders]

thats because most young people are utter cretins. Look at the ones that populate this site. Supermikey the lazy Uni drop out whose hobbies include eating. Bowers the failed McDonalds worker who falls on his fat arse doing a simple 50 yard sprint and now battling for his future in a call centre as he desperately tries to be the James Cordon of the office. SaintAndy666, a know it all with an encyclopedic knowledge and experience of everything despite barely being out of nappies. From the Mcjobber to the Uni drop out to the Oxford student, it's pretty decent cross section of Yoof we have on here and it aint pretty.

 

:lol:

[pap]

You vote for a parties policies not their supporters. You could argue the liberal party and the extreme left of the Labour party are inverted racist and have more time for the immigrant than they do for the rejected jobless neet in Rochdale.

Cheap skilled labour from abroad means we will always take the easy option and forget our own citizens here and now, big business wins and the small man loses.

We are now a Nation of unskilled call centres and opposed to shipbuilders and aeroplane builders.

 

Yeah, I'm conflicted. I'm broadly against nationalism, but a bit of self-interested nationalism might be what we need. Still very unsure on UKIP, and you can bet that if a referendum is held by an advocate of the EU ( e.g. everyone else ), the campaigning will be full of scare stories and lies.

[Barry Sanchez]

Yeah, I'm conflicted. I'm broadly against nationalism, but a bit of self-interested nationalism might be what we need. Still very unsure on UKIP, and you can bet that if a referendum is held by an advocate of the EU ( e.g. everyone else ), the campaigning will be full of scare stories and lies.

 

Of course it will, big business will hammer them, deeply undemocratic as I say, every other Nation can have Nationalism large or small but we are the only Nation where we applaud it in others and yet we scorn it over here through embarrassment of the long gone Empire or for fear of upsettings the new immigrants, we are hypocritical, self righteous and oh so insecure of ourselves its pitiful.

A weak Nation that was strong run by weak politicians that again were once strong.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

What a flop this thread has been.

 

Instead of discussing what I thought was a good article, Turkish is telling us how good he is and how rubbish everyone else is, for a change.

 

And Pap and Barry are discussing UKIP & the EU. Valid discussion of course, but not exactly what I envisaged here.

[Barry Sanchez]

What a flop this thread has been.

 

Instead of discussing what I thought was a good article, Turkish is telling us how good he is and how rubbish everyone else is, for a change.

 

And Pap and Barry are discussing UKIP & the EU. Valid discussion of course, but not exactly what I envisaged here.

 

We are discussing it as no thread stays the same it flows.

[pap]

What a flop this thread has been.

 

Instead of discussing what I thought was a good article, Turkish is telling us how good he is and how rubbish everyone else is, for a change.

 

And Pap and Barry are discussing UKIP & the EU. Valid discussion of course, but not exactly what I envisaged here.

 

Hey, we're just trying to explain WHY exactly young people are so f**ked.

 

Globalisation + EU = big part of that.

[Turkish]

What a flop this thread has been.

 

Instead of discussing what I thought was a good article, Turkish is telling us how good he is and how rubbish everyone else is, for a change.

 

And Pap and Barry are discussing UKIP & the EU. Valid discussion of course, but not exactly what I envisaged here.

 

I rest my case pal. It's being discussed but This thread hasn't gone like you thought it should have and you're sulking about it, acting like a spoilt brat.

[Barry Sanchez]

The issue is now does pap think he is discussing with his nemesis Dune or actually me Barry? He could check this by going on to another forum and actually ask this guy, once and for all this would be solved.

Edited 21 November, 2013 by Barry Sanchez

[pap]

The issue is now does pap think he is discussing with his nemesis Dune or actually me Barry? He could check this by going on to another forum and actually ask this guy, once and for all this would be solved.

 

What a moronic position, Bazza.

 

If you were dune, would you admit it on the other forum?

 

Go play with your son or read a Labour newsletter or something

[pap]

The issue is now does pap think he is discussing with his nemesis Dune or actually me Barry? He could check this by going on to another forum and actually ask this guy, once and for all this would be solved.

 

For the record, neither dune nor yourself could ever be my nemesis.

[Barry Sanchez]

My Daughter, and I left the Labour Party 3 months ago, I did put all of this in previous posts but alas my friend you read only what you want to.

Maybe Dune will post a picture of himself for you? His posts are **** compared to mine, I read one of them going on about a breakfast ha ha and if you think thats me and I write like that I am glad you sit behind a computer and are not smashing fronts doors in at first light.

Edited 21 November, 2013 by Barry Sanchez

[Barry Sanchez]

For the record, neither dune nor yourself could ever be my nemesis.

 

Pap you remind me of Samuel L Jackson in unbreakable, you want and need a nemesis, me? Ha ha Christ no, more importantly things to concern myself with than the identity of someone behind a screen.

[Tokyo-Saint]

I don't know pap, eu worker flood or not, it's getting difficult to find a decent nemesis these days.

[Barry Sanchez]

I don't know pap, eu worker flood or not, it's getting difficult to find a decent nemesis these days.

 

Here he is, alright Bearsy!

[Tokyo-Saint]

Hi dune

[pap]

Pap you remind me of Samuel L Jackson in unbreakable, you want and need a nemesis, me? Ha ha Christ no, more importantly things to concern myself with than the identity of someone behind a screen.

 

See, this is why you could never be my nemesis. You're using popular culture to try and explain your position, claim you have more important things to do than be on here (your post count suggests otherwise).

 

You can't be my nemesis because too many would accuse me of taking the easy option.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Oh ****! He's busted me with an old trick from the great escape. Finally I've been outed as that big gay bear.

[Barry Sanchez]

See, this is why you could never be my nemesis. You're using popular culture to try and explain your position, claim you have more important things to do than be on here (your post count suggests otherwise).

 

You can't be my nemesis because too many would accuse me of taking the easy option.

 

My post count suggests I am bored not that I require a nemesis Pap, get with it lad.

[Barry Sanchez]

Oh ****! He's busted me with an old trick from the great escape. Finally I've been outed as that big gay bear.

 

Is your favourite film face off?

[KelvinsRightGlove]

I rest my case pal. It's being discussed but This thread hasn't gone like you thought it should have and you're sulking about it, acting like a spoilt brat.

 

Enlighten me oh wise & noble one. How exactly am I being a "spoilt brat"?

 

The EU talk, which I said is valid discussion, as gone off on quite a tangent, and isn't really that relevant anymore.

 

It's pretty clear you haven't read the article, as you make not a single comment on it, and are just hear to take pop shots at people for absolutely no reason.

[pap]

My post count suggests I am bored not that I require a nemesis Pap, get with it lad.

 

Do you know what nemesis means?

 

[Turkish]

Enlighten me oh wise & noble one. How exactly am I being a "spoilt brat"?

 

The EU talk, which I said is valid discussion, as gone off on quite a tangent, and isn't really that relevant anymore.

 

It's pretty clear you haven't read the article, as you make not a single comment on it, and are just hear to take pop shots at people for absolutely no reason.

 

and there you go again, stamping your feet and being sarcastic because you're getting a bit. How are you dealing with your persecution complex?

[KelvinsRightGlove]

and there you go again, stamping your feet and being sarcastic because you're getting a bit. How are you dealing with your persecution complex?

 

Haha, lectured for being sarcastic by Turkish. Brilliant.

 

Which part of that is untrue. You aren't inputting anything to any discussion on here. In your first comment on this thread, you are calling young people "utter cretins" and then start taking shots at other people.

 

I have no persecution complex. I said it was an interesting article, which echoed some experiences I have had. Also, the fact that someone else has written this article, who from the looks of it isn't someone directly affected by this perceived hostility, suggests it isn't a persecution complex, and actually a genuine concern.

 

Try reading it, if you disagree, fair enough. Tell us why and it can be discussed or debated. But simply coming on to a thread to start taking shots at people, most of which hadn't even posted on this thread, is pretty sad.

[norwaysaint]

lol at Turkish calling other people "know-it-all"s.

[Hamilton Saint]

I rest my case pal. It's being discussed but This thread hasn't gone like you thought it should have and you're sulking about it, acting like a spoilt brat.

 

This thread was going fine for the first seven posts, and then you - typically - dropped a grenade into the discussion (post #8 ).

[norwaysaint]

What this country needs is more paper salesmen, like Turkish. Who wouldn't aspire to such a job?

 

[Barry Sanchez]

Pap does it mean late seasoning Syrian orange?

[Turkish]

Haha, lectured for being sarcastic by Turkish. Brilliant.

 

Which part of that is untrue. You aren't inputting anything to any discussion on here. In your first comment on this thread, you are calling young people "utter cretins" and then start taking shots at other people.

 

I have no persecution complex. I said it was an interesting article, which echoed some experiences I have had. Also, the fact that someone else has written this article, who from the looks of it isn't someone directly affected by this perceived hostility, suggests it isn't a persecution complex, and actually a genuine concern.

 

Try reading it, if you disagree, fair enough. Tell us why and it can be discussed or debated. But simply coming on to a thread to start taking shots at people, most of which hadn't even posted on this thread, is pretty sad.

 

I think i have contributed greatly to this thread by providing examples as to why people are hostile to youngsters, all you've done is moan, be sarcastic and stamp your feet because things haven't gone how you thought they should providing another example as to why people are hostile to youngsters.

[Turkish]

This thread was going fine for the first seven posts, and then you - typically - dropped a grenade into the discussion (post #8 ).

 

I was providing examples of why people might be hostile to youngsters, typcically you wade in offering nothing to the thread and having a go at me. You couldn't make it up.

[Turkish]

What this country needs is more paper salesmen, like Turkish. Who wouldn't aspire to such a job?

 

 

and another one jumping onto the thread and offering nothing but to sneer at other people, ironically doing what he's having a go at others for. Brilliant.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

and another one jumping onto the thread and offering nothing but to sneer at other people, ironically doing what he's having a go at others for. Brilliant.

 

Haha, you're actually a parody of yourself. Love to dole out the hypocrite card, yet a massive hypocrite himself.

 

How is calling people cretins - then calling someone a drop out, and criticizing their jobs giving examples of why people are hostile to the younger population? Why would people be bothered about young people not having great jobs? Again, all you are doing is highlighting further you actually have no idea what you are talking about. As that isn't the point in hand.

 

Still not contributing anything.

 

I'm not stamping my feet at all, pal, I'm perfectly calm I can assure you.

[Turkish]

Haha, you're actually a parody of yourself. Love to dole out the hypocrite card, yet a massive hypocrite himself.

 

How is calling people cretins - then calling someone a drop out, and criticizing their jobs giving examples of why people are hostile to the younger population? Why would people be bothered about young people not having great jobs? Again, all you are doing is highlighting further you actually have no idea what you are talking about. As that isn't the point in hand.

 

Still not contributing anything.

 

I'm not stamping my feet at all, pal, I'm perfectly calm I can assure you.

 

How am i a hypocrite? I fully admit i enjoy taking the p*ss out of the mugs on here. The funny thing is a few people have waded onto the thread having a go at me for doing it and then doing the same thing themselves on the same post, that's hypocritical pal.

 

I haven't said anything that is untrue either, Andy666 is an up his own arse know it all, Mikey did drop out of Uni, Bowers did work at McDonalds and fell on his arse doing a short sprint and is now struggling in a call centre where he has went to his union because they moved his lunch break! SO rather than taking pops at people im simply stating FACTS and suggesting they might be the reason why young people encourage hostility.