trousers Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Haven't we got anyone left on the pitch who can take corners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Barkley is ridiculously overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Barkley is ridiculously overrated. So many of them are, cosseted in their clubs Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 I think Lallana and Lambert will both go to Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Well, they linked up nicely at the substitution. Switching positions smoothly, almost telepathic understanding as Rickie ran onto the pitch and Adam dropped into the gap on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 My England team: ------------------??-------------- Clyne----Jagielka---Cahill-----Cole ---------Carrick---Henderson----- Townsend----Lallana-----Ox-C ----------------Rooney----------- Rest of squad: GK x2 Smalling Jones Baines Barry Wilshere Barkley/Cleverley/Berahino/JWP... Basically, up for grabs. Gerard Walcott Milner Sturridge Lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Sturridge has been crap tonight. Roy said before the game he wouldn't play 90 minutes so how the hell is h still on the pitch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Picked one too many. Holiday for Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Since the Brazil match Wilshere has been awful for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Come on Germany. At least score another and make me some money Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 What is why cgonig to get out of this game how can you give the like of Rickie 13 minutes to prove themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Sturridge has been crap tonight. Roy said before the game he wouldn't play 90 minutes so how the hell is h still on the pitch? Exactly. So much of the squad is crap. It amazes me when the Southampton lads describe training with England as a 'step up', and being surrounded by 'quality players'. How much better can it be than training at Saints? And there's no way in hell the training itself is anywhere near ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Ringwood Saint Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 After watching both friendlies I think the saints players are best out of the England set up...I just think it is a collection of overhyped individuals..the difference between our team ethic and positive attitude is huge...oh well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Social saint I think our players were being diplomatic when saying it was a step up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Barkley clueless on the edge of the box for the umpteenth time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Lambert, holds possession, looks up intelligently, lays off the ball to Barkley and moves further up into space. Barkley, tries a few step overs while staring at the ball and gets almost immediately robbed by the German defender. Symptomatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Lallana one of the best England players tonight, once he got going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 What utter dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Beaten by a team who played better than us. How impolite. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascadia Saint Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Social saint I think our players were being diplomatic when saying it was a step up Oh definitely, I didn't believe them for a second! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Sturridge was absolute garbage. Talk about a player who plays for himself. Rooney would be so much better with lambert up there. Smalling and cleverly were utter garbage. Roy has 1 way to play rely on pace and that is it Townsend and Lallana were good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Lallana one of the best England players tonight, once he got going Showed a better touch and endeavour then anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Jim Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Well that's a whole lot of people who have just wasted 2 hours of their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Beaten by a team who played better than us. How impolite. Imagine how much worse it would have been if Germany had fielded their first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Queue media lovies saying how promising Sturridge is with Rooney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Lambert, holds possession, looks up intelligently, lays off the ball to Barkley and moves further up into space. Barkley, tries a few step overs while staring at the ball and gets almost immediately robbed by the German defender. Symptomatic. You've actually called it right for once Colin. Our attacking play is laughable. Look at the Germans, quick passing, good movement, they know where each other are, how many times did you see a German player take more than 5 or 6 touches? They make it look So easy by keeping it easy. Whereas we have Rooney, Townsend and Barkley trying to take everyone on and do the spectacular. Gerrard playing 60 yard cross field passes or shooting from 40 yards and Sturridge who needs 3 attempts to control it properly. We've got a collection of individuals who all think they are superstars playing for us, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Sturridge was absolute garbage. Talk about a player who plays for himself. Rooney would be so much better with lambert up there. Smalling and cleverly were utter garbage. Roy has 1 way to play rely on pace and that is it Townsend and Lallana were good Perfect summary in my opinion. Was gutted Lambert didn't replace Sturridge to at least allow him and Lallana to try to link up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Only caught the second half, AL looked good, worked hard, comfortable on the ball and always looking for a positive pass. Didn't quite fall for him but several nearly moments. Most of the rest dreadful.... as everybody says, just a collection of individuals, zero team ethic or tactics, not sure what they do in training? It is only for short spells but surely they could get some sort of game plan together? Have to think if Clyne keeps his current form he will be a shoo in for the Denmark game, Adam has shown well over the two games, RL needs to watch out if Carroll comes back fit and firing (if), JRod unlikely to make the Denmark squad. England will struggle to get out of their group. ITV coverage and the England 'team' are just about made for each other, both dismal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Sturridge was absolute garbage. Talk about a player who plays for himself. Rooney would be so much better with lambert up there. Smalling and cleverly were utter garbage. Roy has 1 way to play rely on pace and that is it Townsend and Lallana were good Thought Cleverly played well in the first half, thought the system was wrong. Lallana worked hard and showed a couple of nice touches but thought he was less convincing than on Friday. Thought his decision making out of possession was faulty at times. Maybe that can be put down in some part to the whole system being better implemented at Saints, so he knows what's expected in each situation. I like Sturridge, but tonight he was awful. Rickie should have been on for him earlier but I suppose at least he'll be fresher for the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 GREED up against two players, Lallana and Lambert, who actually play for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kirkup Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 You've actually called it right for once Colin. Our attacking play is laughable. Look at the Germans, quick passing, good movement, they know where each other are, how many times did you see a German player take more than 5 or 6 touches? They make it look So easy by keeping it easy. Whereas we have Rooney, Townsend and Barkley trying to take everyone on and do the spectacular. Gerrard playing 60 yard cross field passes or shooting from 40 yards and Sturridge who needs 3 attempts to control it properly. We've got a collection of individuals who all think they are superstars playing for us, Unfortunately it's the same at under 21s - Sterling, Zaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Lambert, holds possession, looks up intelligently, lays off the ball to Barkley and moves further up into space. Barkley, tries a few step overs while staring at the ball and gets almost immediately robbed by the German defender. Symptomatic. Exactly what I said to my bored other half. So many England players give possession away so cheaply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Cleverley has been one of our best players. Better than Gerard, at least. I'm going to take this as a joke, very blunt sense of humour. Gerrard ran the midfield and watching him and cleverly dealing with a situation was funny at times. He still has so much to give us, cleverly is someone still playing due to his club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 You've actually called it right for once Colin. Our attacking play is laughable. Look at the Germans, quick passing, good movement, they know where each other are, how many times did you see a German player take more than 5 or 6 touches? They make it look So easy by keeping it easy. Whereas we have Rooney, Townsend and Barkley trying to take everyone on and do the spectacular. Gerrard playing 60 yard cross field passes or shooting from 40 yards and Sturridge who needs 3 attempts to control it properly. We've got a collection of individuals who all think they are superstars playing for us, The thing is, Blunt weapons such as Townsend can be good when applied in the right way, so I wouldn't lump him in with Sturridge and Rooney in that respect. But the horrible 'hollywood' attitude of many, many players is tiresome and counterproductive, we agree on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Actually I also thought Cole was good, much much much better than Baines. And Gibbs. He really is an exceptional left back. Smalling is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Well Joey Barton thinks Shaw and JWP should be in the starting lineup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Sturridge strikes me as a player who hit a purple patch against some pretty average sides. Once out of the purple patch and up against decent opposition, he is actually a very selfish and pretty useless footballer. Fits in quite well then to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Well Joey Barton thinks Shaw and JWP should be in the starting lineup I agree with Joey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Where to start? Germany won at a canter. Both Germany and Chile passed the ball around us at ease. England chock full of glory-hunting players who can't/won't pass the ball, who lack vision and touch. Too many inflated egos with limited talent still playing schoolboy 'rush' football. Poor tactics from Woy. Formation was way too rigid for EPL players who don't play 4-4-2 as a rule. Really makes me appreciate the football Saints have been playing this year. Even in our bad games we've been way better than that. And don't anyone talk about Saints players having to 'step up a level' when they have to play in teams as poor as England has fielded in these two games. Interesting comment from Ballack about the lack of pressing and chasing from England to win back the ball whenever they lost it. Brazil? Won't get out of the group on these performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Id take JWP, not sure that Shaw is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Well Joey Barton thinks Shaw and JWP should be in the starting lineup What a top bloke! Talks so much sense, really knows his stuff doesn't he! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 System was wrong. Playing 2 up front against a team like Germany leaves the midfield weak. And Sturridge and Rooney simply don't link up at all. Agree about Wilshere - over-rated, as are many of the players tonight. Thought Lallana did OK and has a good chance of going to Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Saints would murder England. I just hope our boys haven't picked up any bad habits from being associated with that shower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Lost the midfield for me when Gerrard came off, we looked okish tonight against a team much better than us. Cleverley had about the best game Ive seen of him in a while but Id still not realistically pick him regularly. Sturridge looked poor tonight, shame as he is usually a decent player. Rooney played ok, Lallana and Townsend were good. Wilshere poor. We need Gerrard playing and a striker that can play up top on his own. Well, ultimately we arent anywhere near as good as we think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Ian Darke @IanDarke Germany win 1-0. Fair enough. Big plus for England Lallana. Townsend good too. Worry about Cleverly,Walker, Smalling and Wilshere Adrian Durham @talkSPORTDrive Lallana then Barkley both showed they can look after the ball tonight. Some real positives for England John Cross @johncrossmirror Lallana has surely played his way into serious contention over the last two games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Saints would murder England. I just hope our boys haven't picked up any bad habits from being associated with that shower. Don't think so, their work rates and ideas seemed consistent with our own. If anything I would hope that in some way our own habits would rub off on England. Maybe when/if Shaw, Clyne and JWP also infiltrate the ranks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Lallana one of the best England players tonight, once he got going Totally agree with this and (not being in my usual Dubai Saints Pub) everyone else watching the game agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai27 Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Sturridge is an awful player. He's got plenty of confidence and believes he's gifted, whereas in reality he had a few good games at the start of the season and has now reverted back to being a waste of space. Anyone else noticed how he throws a little paddy every time a ball isn't passed to him? Thought Gerrard, Lallana and Townsend had good games. Jagielka looked solid. Barkley was clueless and Wiltshire spent most of his time being chased down and falling flat on his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 Lost the midfield for me when Gerrard came off, we looked okish tonight against a team much better than us. Cleverley had about the best game Ive seen of him in a while but Id still not realistically pick him regularly. Sturridge looked poor tonight, shame as he is usually a decent player. Rooney played ok, Lallana and Townsend were good. Wilshere poor. We need Gerrard playing and a striker that can play up top on his own. Well, ultimately we arent anywhere near as good as we think Agree with a lot of that. I think we have to play one up top with three joining. Unfortunately while Rooney should be able to play the 10 role he never seems to play it properly when someone else is the spearhead. I think he'd work better in that role with Lambert up front who can drop in and link up play so well. Personally I'd have Rooney or Lambert as the point man and then play three from Lallana, Welbeck, Townsend, Walcott or Ox in behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 November, 2013 Share Posted 19 November, 2013 What a top bloke! Talks so much sense, really knows his stuff doesn't he! Now go check his tweets & see where he spent this past weekend and work out how he could have been talked into that idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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