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Daily Telegraph's football correspondent Henry Winter: England in training: Hart; Walker, Smalling, Jagielka, Cole; Townsend, Gerrard, Cleverley, Lallana; Rooney; Sturridge.

 

Sturridge has just gone off injured, replaced by Barkley.

 

Suggests AL will start. I would think Lambert would get a game from the bench if fit, replacing Rooney. I can't see Rooney playing 2 x 90 minute games.

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Daily Telegraph's football correspondent Henry Winter: England in training: Hart; Walker, Smalling, Jagielka, Cole; Townsend, Gerrard, Cleverley, Lallana; Rooney; Sturridge.

 

Sturridge has just gone off injured, replaced by Barkley.

 

Suggests AL will start. I would think Lambert would get a game from the bench if fit, replacing Rooney. I can't see Rooney playing 2 x 90 minute games.

 

Adam certainly earned another go from the start both this season and on Friday - seems a very attacking midfield though in there an wouldn't be surprised to see one of those drop out for someone a little more defensive perhaps?

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Hope Rickie is fit enough to get on at some point, would have started Friday if fit I reckon. Would have helped J Rod settle if he had I think. Lallana looked at home and should feature again. Great days for us these and I can see Clyne getting a call for the spring friendlies as England's RBs haven't nailed down that position at all IMO.

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England manager Roy Hodgson: "Daniel Sturridge is fine. Last week he couldn't take part in training much as he was having treatment.

 

"But his injury has been improving and the only reason he came off in the training game was to give Rickie Lambert a chance at centre-forward because there is a good chance I want to see him."

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good to see lallana starting. If he does well, should get him 1 foot on the plane to brazil.

Lambert is bound to get 25+ mins too.

 

Not so sure re Lallana. Hodgson again saying that he is only picked due to injuries to Welbeck, AOC and Walcott. Consistently poor comments from Woy.

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Not so sure re Lallana. Hodgson again saying that he is only picked due to injuries to Welbeck, AOC and Walcott. Consistently poor comments from Woy.

 

ah yeah. forgot that old traditional top 4 thingy.

OxO would probably stroll straight back in.

 

dont forget rodwell when fit

add that to Woy's tactics of 10 men behind the ball. which needs quick ball carriers to enable everyone else to get up the pitch

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Not so sure re Lallana. Hodgson again saying that he is only picked due to injuries to Welbeck, AOC and Walcott. Consistently poor comments from Woy.
Agree, poor comments similar to some of the half-hearted stuff he came out with re Lambert. Would he really pick AOC ahead of Lallana currently though?
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Agree, poor comments similar to some of the half-hearted stuff he came out with re Lambert. Would he really pick AOC ahead of Lallana currently though?

 

yes. he is very quick

it was like picking him before he even played a game for arsenal when they signed him. which was odd as I doubt he got 5x better over night

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yes. he is very quick

it was like picking him before he even played a game for arsenal when they signed him. which was odd as I doubt he got 5x better over night

Except that didn't happen.

 

Signed on 8th August 2011, made his England debut on 26th May 2012, having made 26 appearances for Arsenal that season.

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Adam seems to thriving on the expectations of him to perform. Really pleased he is being given another chance and if he continues to improve you can see him being integral to England. England so often lack creativity even when they have the pace of Walcott and Chamberlain and that is what his game is all about. Trying clever turns, passing and movement. He and Townsend have shown more creativity than most others and might actually make us interesting to watch at the World Cup. If they can both keep consistent.

 

Rather than the usual dire performances, very few chances and a sneaky goal to keep hopes up followed by self destruction at the penalty shoot out.

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Agree, poor comments similar to some of the half-hearted stuff he came out with re Lambert. Would he really pick AOC ahead of Lallana currently though?

 

I'm not sure but weird to even include AOC in that sentence. welbeck has a good record for England and Walcott has been on the scene for a while now so I can kind of understand those. Regardless, those comments are uneccssary and doesn't send out a good message to anyone.

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Not quite sure why people are so keen for our best players to be playing two tough 90 minute matches, prior to Saturdays match at Arsenal which is so much more important.

 

You have a point. The counter-argument is that for some of the players, club football is a route to the ultimate goal which is to play for their country. If the players are happy and confident that their club football is getting them to that goal they won't join a bigger club in order to achieve their ambition.

 

Also, the international games often cause a dip in form. I think this is more pronounced if the players do badly.

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Not quite sure why people are so keen for our best players to be playing two tough 90 minute matches, prior to Saturdays match at Arsenal which is so much more important.

 

Seeing as none of our players played 90 minutes against Chile, it's unlikely to happen. I can't see AL playing the full 90 v Germany either.

 

If our players can put in a good performance for their country and the recognition that would bring, it will be a hell of a boost for the whole club come Saturday. Can't see fitness being a problem with 4 days rest either.

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No point playing JRod in the team as he was played in a position that he doesn't play for Saints. Claridge on R5L was commenting on it this evening and said that he hadn't seen JRod play in the position once for Saints this season. England often pick players on how they do for their club and then try and fit them in. To a certain extent I can understand that, as all teams have different systems, but sometimes the England system is so different that players are ineffective. Our system differs very much from England. Look at RL, AL and JR. They don't really stick in one position and wander all over the place, especially AL. On Friday, JR was stuck on the left and AL on the right. England let Rooney be the marauder when I think that all 3 of them should have been allowed to interchange, although it would help to have a competent defence to free up the midfield.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24907635

 

Lallana starting it would seem with Rodriguez and Lambert on the bench? Although looks like Lambert is going to get some game time....

 

Great news about Adam, more than deserved after the way he has performed so far this season and on friday night. Made up for Rickie that he is going to get some game time - he will make Rooney look good just like with Welbeck before :)

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I am off to match tomorrow and this should be an interesting test for England as they will play the Germany B team. 5 of the German players are good enough to make the England A team but its not going to be the German powerhouse the players expect. Saints players should get a good run out and AL and RL will get plenty of the ball, I expect JR to get a run out at the end at least.

 

Will try to put my large Saints flag on pitch side as FA actually encouraging fans to bring flags. German fans have only taken 1000 tickets so you wont here the away fans unless England are very poor and the 85,000 don't have anything to cheer.

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Can someone injure Mertesecker and Ozil please?

 

Ozil's not going to play anyway !

 

I am off to match tomorrow and this should be an interesting test for England as they will play the Germany B team. 5 of the German players are good enough to make the England A team but its not going to be the German powerhouse the players expect. Saints players should get a good run out and AL and RL will get plenty of the ball, I expect JR to get a run out at the end at least.

 

I won't go so far calling it a German B Side.

Low's still sorting out option who to take with him to Brazil, which is perfectly fine to do. But that side will still be strong enough to make it hard to beat them.

Remember England winning in Germany in 2008 with a so called B side ! ;)

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.............barring injuries to any of the starters, of course

 

Nice Royism... See what you did there ;)

 

Annoyes me so much how Roy devalues the players he picks by saying they wouldn't be here if it weren't for injuries and that goes for non saints players too!

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J Rod won't play

 

Agreed.

 

This call up really didn't make sense to me, he was playing well without setting the world alight and had scored a few but there were more obvious choices within our squad for selection. It may just highlight how short England are up front.

 

He didn't play brilliantly v Chile in an unfamiliar line-up and tactical plan meaning he has now been set aside, I hope it will not effect his confidence too much as he does seem to need it to thrive.

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Not so sure re Lallana. Hodgson again saying that he is only picked due to injuries to Welbeck, AOC and Walcott. Consistently poor comments from Woy.

 

It's up to Adam to seize the opportunity, if he's better than Theo or Alex then its a no brainer for Roy - and he could be - as the ex-Saints players can be a bit one-dimensional most of the time whereas Adam does the defending bit just as well as the attacking and finishing stuff, he's a more complete player not just a winger.

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If we lose this one - is it still Southampton's fault?

 

If England play the Southampton style in full then I think one day England might have a chance to do well. But I do not think there is the willpower to do that ahead of Brazil. I think we will revert "to what we know", which to me unfortunately means our inevitable defeat in mid to latter stages and our inevitable being out thought and outplayed by other teams with only a few plucky individual performances and occasions to remember, yet again, from a major tournament for England.

 

If anyone thought the Chile performance was Roy "trying" to get Eng to play like Southampton then they don't get what the Southampton way is about at all. Putting two of our players into what ostensibly looks like Southampton's formation is NOT the same as adopting our playing style.

 

One simple example sums it up. How often in first half especially did you see Rooney running around chasing up front by himself - yet Adam and Jrod quite often were on the half way line in a defensive position? And he looked around as if to say " back me up". They would belatedly then jog up and be stranded by a couple of neat passes ....At Saints if that was Rickie then you could bet any money that Jrod, Ads, SD, JWP or whoever would be in the opponents half covering and cutting down options automatically, no encouragement needed. I could see Jrod frozen out there thinking "should i stay or should i go?"- no such confusion at Southampton - he's up there full press 9/10 times.

 

Another example. How many times did the FB's under and overlap with the midfielders comfortably tucking in to cover them? Too infrequent.

 

Another example: How many times did you see the CB trying to make long attacking passes? Too often. And did you see how long Cahill and Jones were on the ball - and in what positions? Too long on the ball too often. They should be giving the ball to the midfielders to do that. And retaining possession. Watching Cahill and Jones trying to be the creative force v Chile summed up the nonsense thinking. Roy should have been screaming at them to give it to Lampard/Wilshire/Adam/Milner quickly every time - if they were playing southampton style that is, which they were not.

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It is easy to forget just how integral AOC was to the England team prior to injury. If fit I'd expect Roy to choose him. What I think Adam has to his advantage is that he is the only natural LM, with welbeck, Milner and AOC filling in at times due to Walcott and Townsend being so one sided. Adam brings something different.

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Agreed.

 

This call up really didn't make sense to me, he was playing well without setting the world alight and had scored a few but there were more obvious choices within our squad for selection. It may just highlight how short England are up front.

 

He didn't play brilliantly v Chile in an unfamiliar line-up and tactical plan meaning he has now been set aside, I hope it will not effect his confidence too much as he does seem to need it to thrive.

 

The manager selected him because he sees him, or saw him, in the role he asks Welbeck to play. He probably won't pick him for Germany but I think he should. Bring him off the bench and give him 20 minutes in a freer role.

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The manager selected him because he sees him, or saw him, in the role he asks Welbeck to play. He probably won't pick him for Germany but I think he should. Bring him off the bench and give him 20 minutes in a freer role.

 

Which has a certain logic to it, particularly given the way Lambert found Welbeck in the Moldova game with his passing.

 

Given the tactical set up though Jay was never going to fit, too wide out to be a foil for another striker despite not strictly being a winger either. Saints play an extremely fluid forward three who can interchange position passed on the requirement at the time. England on friday night where rigid, inflexible and unimaginative. It didn't allow Jay to shine and highlighted the good things that we are doing currently to maximise the talent we have. As per your original point it also meant that Jay would never have been forward enough in the first place to play the Welbeck role, which is a great pity.

 

Lallana suffered a little for it too, immediately pressing Chile from kick off only for him to look behind after they passed upfield to see he was 40 yards further up then anyone down the right-hand side making his pressing effort redundant. Thankfully his more 'all action' combative style enabled him to get a foothold that Jay otherwise couldn't.

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