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I think your view seems to be we'll never change so let's just hoof it and see what happens? That works well for Stoke and West Ham doesn't it.

 

Another view is you could start afresh, and build a squad young enough so that you can work on over a long period of time that would play the way you want them to play. England should play the pressing game Saints play, but as some have rightly pointed out, you can only play that way successfully by getting it drummed into you on the training pitch.

 

I would say a squad needs selecting now that is young enough to be around for the next 5 years so that we can implement a system and a way of playing over time. There should be no more than 3 or 4 over 25's (excluding goalkeepers) and those players should be ones that would buy into what they were trying to do. I'd go with the following squad:

 

GK: Hart, Forster, Butland

RB: Walker, Clyne

LB: Gibbs, Shaw

CB: Jagielka, Smalling, Jones

CM: Ward-Prowse, Barkley, Wilshere, Morrison

AM: Townsend, Ox, Walcott, Lallana, Welbeck,

FW: Rooney, Sturridge, Berahino

 

Admittedly, that squad would struggle initially but if you worked on them and their mentality and a way of playing and pressing as a team, then I think it would reap benefits in the longer term. Naturally, players would come and go from this squad based on form but so long as the principles and the nucleus remained the same you could make personnel changes.

 

Do you not think stoke have punched above the ability of their squad the last few years? Regular midtable finishes, an FA cup final and Europe with average at best players. If you can't beat a team at their own game you have to find another way which stoke have done. Do you think we have the players to out pass the Germans, Spanish, Brazilians etc? Out constant failure in tournaments says not. So let's find another way, 11 lion hearts playing aggressive long ball football in a 4-4-2 with pacy wingers and a big man up top. Play to our strengths and what we do best. Forget this poncy stuff, build a side around hard men and wingers. Shawcross, catemole, noble, Kevin Nolan, Lennon, downing, Carroll etc. we'd be horrible to play against, bite in midfield, aggressive at the back and a big man who I a handful up top. and you never know we might emulate stoke at international level and punch above our weight too. The time for change is now and go back to basics and what were good at. Do you think those Chileans would have passed their way through cattermole and shawcross so easily if they'd been there? They'd have clattered then early doors to let them know they were there and they'd spend the rest of the match keeping away from them. FACT

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Seeing some of the proposed squads on here, and a player many omit is Lampard. Whatever your criticisms of him, I cannot see Woy not naming him. Of the other senior guard, I suspect Ashley Cole might be vulnerable, depending of course whether England go for experience or building for the future.

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Carlton cole is a good target man and getting fit again, hcdajfu.

 

If your looking for a 'box to box' midfielder who scores a few goals, then Chris Lines* could force his way into contention.

 

*Bristol Rovers midfielder we were frequently linked to in L1.

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If your looking for a 'box to box' midfielder who scores a few goals, then Chris Lines* could force his way into contention.

 

*Bristol Rovers midfielder we were frequently linked to in L1.

 

I always considered him potentially the English Tim Cahill.

 

Andy Johnson would also be worth a go again as the quick little man to play off Carroll or Cole and pick up their flicks.

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Do you not think stoke have punched above the ability of their squad the last few years? Regular midtable finishes, an FA cup final and Europe with average at best players. If you can't beat a team at their own game you have to find another way which stoke have done. Do you think we have the players to out pass the Germans, Spanish, Brazilians etc? Out constant failure in tournaments says not. So let's find another way, 11 lion hearts playing aggressive long ball football in a 4-4-2 with pacy wingers and a big man up top. Play to our strengths and what we do best. Forget this poncy stuff, build a side around hard men and wingers. Shawcross, catemole, noble, Kevin Nolan, Lennon, downing, Carroll etc. we'd be horrible to play against, bite in midfield, aggressive at the back and a big man who I a handful up top. and you never know we might emulate stoke at international level and punch above our weight too. The time for change is now and go back to basics and what were good at. Do you think those Chileans would have passed their way through cattermole and shawcross so easily if they'd been there? They'd have clattered then early doors to let them know they were there and they'd spend the rest of the match keeping away from them. FACT

 

Writing FACT at the end of your post doesn't make anything you've written factual. The ironic thing is it is all ********.

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Writing FACT at the end of your post doesn't make anything you've written factual. The ironic thing is it is all ********.

 

Stoke overachieved with the players they had FACT

England can't match Brazil, Spain and Germany for technical ability FACT

We have consistently failed in tournaments FACT

If we played with aggressive players we'd be horrible to play against FACT

We won't beat any of the top teams playing them at their own game FACT

We need to find another way FACT

 

Plenty of FACTS pal.

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If your looking for a 'box to box' midfielder who scores a few goals, then Chris Lines* could force his way into contention.

 

*Bristol Rovers midfielder we were frequently linked to in L1.

 

Chris Lines had a cracking game against Shortwood United the other night in the live FA Cup game on BT Sport.

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big john parkin could do a job in and England team run by Turkish

 

Not a bad shout, and if we want a predictable big bloke:little bloke combination Sam Baldock would be the ideal foil for Parkin's knock downs.

 

F'kin Brazillians, krauts, and all the dago's won't know whats hit them.

 

Manager - Fat Sam no contest (unless 'arry's up for it).

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Stoke overachieved with the players they had FACT

England can't match Brazil, Spain and Germany for technical ability FACT

We have consistently failed in tournaments FACT

If we played with aggressive players we'd be horrible to play against FACT

We won't beat any of the top teams playing them at their own game FACT

We need to find another way FACT

 

Plenty of FACTS pal.

 

Do you know what a fact is you moron? Read each one of those statements again. Not one of them is a fact. Each one is an opinion.

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All of them are FACTs pal.

 

Haha. You're on a different planet. Writing FACT in capitals doesn't make them facts either. Serious question now.

 

Ready?

 

Sure?

 

Ok. Here goes: DO YOU KNOW WHAT A FACT IS?

 

If you don't, try this easier question:

 

DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FACT AND AN OPINION?

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Haha. You're on a different planet. Writing FACT in capitals doesn't make them facts either. Serious question now.

 

Ready?

 

Sure?

 

Ok. Here goes: DO YOU KNOW WHAT A FACT IS?

 

If you don't, try this easier question:

 

DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A FACT AND AN OPINION?

 

Answer these questions pal.

 

Did Stoke over achieve reaching the FA cup final, play in Europe and top half finishes with the players they had pal?

Are England players technically as good as Spanish, German and Brazilians pal?

Have England constantly achieved or failed in tournaments pal?

Do people like playing against 'Orrible aggressive, some might say dirty players, pal?

If England played a full strength Spain, Germany or Brazil tomorrow and tried to beat them at their own game would they win or lose pal?

If a team doesn't have as good a player as their opponents do they do the same things that have failed them in the past or try something different pal?

 

 

Over to you pal....

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Answer these questions pal.

 

Did Stoke over achieve reaching the FA cup final, play in Europe and top half finishes with the players they had pal?

Are England players technically as good as Spanish, German and Brazilians pal?

Have England constantly achieved or failed in tournaments pal?

Do people like playing against 'Orrible aggressive, some might say dirty players, pal?

If England played a full strength Spain, Germany or Brazil tomorrow and tried to beat them at their own game would they win or lose pal?

If a team doesn't have as good a player as their opponents do they do the same things that have failed them in the past or try something different pal?

 

 

Over to you pal....

 

You didn't answer my questions. I think I know the answers anyway so don't worry. You'll only embarrass yourself further.

 

Did Stoke overachieve? No, not in my OPINION. Stoke spent £120 net more than Arsenal from 2006 to the end of Tony Pulis' reign. They underachieved given their level of spending. And they continue to do so.

Are English players technically as good as the Spanish, Germans and Brazilians? Some are, some aren't. In my OPINION, the likes of Wilshere and Lallana are more technical players than the likes of Ramires or Khedira for instance. However, its all subjective.

Have England constantly failed at tournaments? In my OPINION, yes they have. However,

Many others would contend that the qtr finals is the best we could hope for. Some would say the Qtr finals is pushing above our weight. Again though, its subjective, and it depends on your perspective. It is not a fact.

Do people like playing against 'orrible aggressive players? In my OPINION, I would expect the likes of Brazil, Spain and Germany (using your examples) would love to play against Lee Cattermole!!! They would embarrass him more than you are embarrassing yourself.

 

I can't be bothered to go on. You get my point (you probably don't).

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You didn't answer my questions. I think I know the answers anyway so don't worry. You'll only embarrass yourself further.

 

Did Stoke overachieve? No, not in my OPINION. Stoke spent £120 net more than Arsenal from 2006 to the end of Tony Pulis' reign. They underachieved given their level of spending. And they continue to do so.

Are English players technically as good as the Spanish, Germans and Brazilians? Some are, some aren't. In my OPINION, the likes of Wilshere and Lallana are more technical players than the likes of Ramires or Khedira for instance. However, its all subjective.

Have England constantly failed at tournaments? In my OPINION, yes they have. However,

Many others would contend that the qtr finals is the best we could hope for. Some would say the Qtr finals is pushing above our weight. Again though, its subjective, and it depends on your perspective. It is not a fact.

Do people like playing against 'orrible aggressive players? In my OPINION, I would expect the likes of Brazil, Spain and Germany (using your examples) would love to play against Lee Cattermole!!! They would embarrass him more than you are embarrassing yourself.

 

I can't be bothered to go on. You get my point (you probably don't).

 

So we agree on most FACTS pal. As for the first FACT, who would you rather have in your team pal. Cazorla, Ramsey, Chamberlain, Podolski or Cameron Jermone, Geoff Cameron, Steve N'ZOnzi and Michael Kightly?

 

11 v 11 pal, England v Germany/Spain/Brazil which 11 would you say is the most gifted pal?

 

Did people enjoy playing against the Wimbledon team of the late 80s pal? They woz aggressive weren't they pal? Do you think Liverpool enjoyed playing against them in the 88 cup final? better players but lost pal.

 

I get your point pal. You're just not making sense pal.

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Why you getting personal pal? Answer my points rather than being abusive, pal.

 

I have answered your points. With reason and logic. Clearly you lack both reason and logic; two things that someone who is retarded might also lack. Hence my question.

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I have answered your points. With reason and logic. Clearly you lack both reason and logic; two things that someone who is retarded might also lack. Hence my question.

 

You been on the ale tonight pal? Read my reply and answer. Thanks pal.

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Hart, ruddy, butland

Walker, Jones, smalling, Cahill, jagielka, Cole, Baines

Gerrard, Wilshire, lampard, Carrick

Walcott, Milner, Townsend, Lallana, Ox,

Rooney, sturridge, Lambert, welbeck

 

My 23 realistic to who hodgson will probably choose.

 

Standby: Clyne, Morrison, Barkley, berianho

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I like the look of the midfielders playing for the U21s like Tom Carroll, Will Hughes, JWP. They're all clever+technique. I'd take some of these bros and leave a couple of the old cart-horses at home. Milners! I'm looking at you!

 

Am with you on this one brah. Southgate is doing a fine job so far with the youngsters, and he seems to recognise the importance of our youth teams doing well and how it fits in with the senior setup, far more than Stuart Pearce managed.

 

The barrier here is going to be whether many of these lads get to play regular high-level football, or indeed have the technical ability to begin with. Cast your mind back to when England got their dinner pushed back in by the Germans in the 2009 U21 final. Ozil, Khedira, Neuer, Boateng, Hummels - all cornerstones of a German side likely to do well at the next world cup. This is because they all play regular football week in, week out, for Champions League calibre sides. In the England team? Milner, Johnson, Cattermole, Noble, Crainie, Onuoha, Rodwell, Walcott. All players who have had decent enough careers but none of them would be in the same bracket as those German players mentioned. In fact the only player in that England squad who would be anywhere near an England starting XI now would be Arsenal's excellent Gibbs or Joe Hart.

 

One would like to think that Hughes, Ward-Prowse and Tom Carroll would go on to establish themselves but it is up to teams like Saints to give the young players a sporting chance of doing so.

 

The young players from English CL teams who do get in the squad simply arent good enough are they? Case in point: Manchester United fans question the inclusion of Cleverley and Jones in their own side, let alone England.

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