farawaysaint Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Enjoy tearing this article a new one boys http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1848051-lallana-england-call-long-overdue-and-how-gerrard-can-be-three-lions-pirlo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Not a good start for his new column. Hope he get some divine inspiration before coming up with the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 OMG. That's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Fair point asking why AL wasn't "spotted" earlier. Which TBH I think we all know the answer to - Duh League 1 But he writes SOOOO egotistically. God, & to think someone on here advocated him as the second coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Without a Halo Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Hoddle advocating people with exceptional talent should be brought into the fold was only a way of saying he should have had twice the caps he did. I doubt he even considered the consequences of that statement as it never occured to him it might effect anyone but him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 IF hoddle is as good a manager as he thinks he is how come some really desperate PL club hasn't tried to get him ? Come to that why hasn't any desperate club tried to get him ? I wonder if people think ( know ) he isn't good enough ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 What a preposterous man he is. Suddenly Michael Owen, David Beckham and Paul Scholes represent "mercurial" talent that other England managers wouldn't have picked? Yeah, of course. Well, at least Hoddle makes himself easy to despise. It really takes very little effort to hate the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 He gave England debuts to Owen and Beckham, who played for those small clubs Liverpool and Man U? What a shining example of picking gifted, mistrusted players from small clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Hoddle was so good at bringing talented players into the England squad. So good that Matt Le Tiss couldn't get a place in 98, even after his hat trick against Russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Hoddle was so good at bringing talented players into the England squad. So good that Matt Le Tiss couldn't get a place in 98, even after his hat trick against Russia That is worthy of being posted as a comment on the actual article itself. A well aimed & executed Bullseye Prof Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Fair point asking why AL wasn't "spotted" earlier. Which TBH I think we all know the answer to - Duh League 1 But he writes SOOOO egotistically. God, & to think someone on here advocated him as the second coming Easy mistake to make as he clearly thinks he is. what a conceited knob (hoddle not Phil ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 How he paints over how he left MLT out is incredible. If he believed what he said there Matt should have at least 50caps. Hypocrite and sadly there are still people who think he should manage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 He should have got twice as many caps as he did, a brilliant player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 He should have got twice as many caps as he did, a brilliant player. He certainly was - and yes he should have done, but didn't come close to matching Le Tiss's contribution league wise. (Goals / assists) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 A truly laughable debut "expert" column. Take a long hard look in the mirror Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 I think he should concentrate on his singing career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Yep I bought Diamond Lights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 He left Chris Sutton out of the England squad because he would not play for the England B team saying that it was a gateway to the full England team. Matt then scores a hatrick and hits the bar and he ignores him. He gave Matt 45minutes against Italy and then substituted him. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Yep I bought Diamond Lights Check Hoddle miming his arse off here:- [video=youtube;1KEMMfV5-Qg] Even so, I still think he should concentrate on his singing career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Lets be fair to Hoddle , he wasnt the only one that didnt pick MLT There was also mr vegatable as . but they were part of the same club and they both probably were acting like spoilt school girls because Matt decided not to join the spuds Hoddle is hypocritical for a lot of reasons but his is deision not to select Matt was one of the biggest and now that been confirmed by the the lallana article PR*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Saint Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Oh Glenn, Glenn, Glenn. You utterly reprehensible mong. He disgusts me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dellboypete Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Just to quote that hypocritical b*stard It leaves me wondering whether it is symptomatic of a lingering belief that English football still doesn’t trust the truly gifted individual. Still can't believe he didn't take MLT to the world cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Met him a few times. Complete tit. Just as I was starting to think "hmmmm, maybe he's changed" he does this. So glad we didn't take him back. **** off Hoddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeyboy Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 When he said "Some might say that I myself symbolised the mistrust of gifted players who were regarded as unreliable mavericks." I thought he was going to admit it was a mistake leaving out Le Tiss....WRONG! Haha what a **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Amazed there's a thread on Hoddle and no sign of Dalek yet! Grateful to Hoddle for seeing us to the new stadium and raising aspirations a bit, not that keen on him as a person though and his rumoured arrogance still seems undiminished. Felt sorry for MLT at the time and it crushed Matt's spirit for the last 3 or 4 seasons of his career and finished comparatively young although Matt's fitness probably didn't help. With MP's fitness regimes, imagine how awesome MLT would be in this current Saints team? If you look at what some players go for in the transfer market now, you'd be lucky to get change from £40m if one of the top 4 wanted to buy him and even that might be too low. With Morgan, Victor and others providing the platform, he'd have also got a bucketload of England caps. Let's be honest, he kept squads of largely Championship, League 1 and League 2 players in a top flight for most of the 1990s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Amazed there's a thread on Hoddle and no sign of Dalek yet! Grateful to Hoddle for seeing us to the new stadium and raising aspirations a bit, not that keen on him as a person though and his rumoured arrogance still seems undiminished. Felt sorry for MLT at the time and it crushed Matt's spirit for the last 3 or 4 seasons of his career and finished comparatively young although Matt's fitness probably didn't help. With MP's fitness regimes, imagine how awesome MLT would be in this current Saints team? If you look at what some players go for in the transfer market now, you'd be lucky to get change from £40m if one of the top 4 wanted to buy him and even that might be too low. With Morgan, Victor and others providing the platform, he'd have also got a bucketload of England caps. Let's be honest, he kept squads of largely Championship, League 1 and League 2 players in a top flight for most of the 1990s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 At face value he makes a lot of good, truthful points. But his hypocrisy in saying England should pick more talented players more often, when he was solely responsible for not picking Matt Le Tiss, and, let us not forget, Gazza, for the 1998 World Cup squad, is remarkable. Also, bailing on Saints in 2000 doesn't help his cause on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Grateful to Hoddle for seeing us to the new stadium . He left 6 months beforehand, we went into St Mary's with the mighty Stuart Gray leading us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAS Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Terrible article, written by an arrogant tool. He should keep to listening to James Last CD's and messing around with widgy boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 Hoddle was one of the best managers Saints had and the stats prove it. Had we appointed him in 2004 it is highly likely our unbroken run in the top league would have continued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 13 November, 2013 Share Posted 13 November, 2013 He should have got twice as many caps as he did, a brilliant player. Who? Hoddle, or MLT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 Hoddle is a grade A pillock and a big head, however he did a pretty good job at Saints and tactically he was on the ball. He also did an ok job for England, in fact the performance away in Italy was one of the best tactical displays I've seen in 40 years of watching England. If he hadn't been such a plum, he could of been a pretty decent international manager. As a player he was class, and should have won a load more caps. Which leads on to the MLT debate. The man who should be in the dock over Matt is not Hoddle, but Terry Venables. It was Venables who was in charge of England when Matt was at his peak,not Hoddle. Hoddle actually brought him back into the fold, when his club form wasn't that great. Hoddle gave him a chance in an important qualifier, Venables didn't. In hindsight im sure Hoddle would admit it was a mistake to give Matt a run in the B team,.as he clearly was never going to take him no matter what he did, and his form was not great that season. Venables kept him out when he was the best damn player in the league. One question I would throw in is this; had Matt worked as hard as SRL and Adam, had he a lifestyle like that pair, would he have won more caps? Ricky appears to have had similar refuelling methods as Matt in the past and seemed to carry a bit of timber, Matt seemed to have the attitude "this is who I am" whereas Ricky appears to have knuckled down and become more professional, and is now reaping the rewards.Could Matt of achieved more had he looked after himself better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 He left Chris Sutton out of the England squad because he would not play for the England B team saying that it was a gateway to the full England team. Matt then scores a hatrick and hits the bar and he ignores him. He gave Matt 45minutes against Italy and then substituted him. Unbelievable. It' was a bit longer than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 Wtf? Leaves the most naturally gifted footballer of the last 50 years out of the England squad and then writes this? Absolute tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 He has used AL as the example, but to me AL was called up to the England first squad at the right time. His form wasn't the best last season and prior to that he was playing outside the prem. Now his form is hot and his confidence is high and we have a couple of decent friendlies to try out new players. The disconnect with AL and England has been at lower level, he was never fancied there by Stuart Peace and the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 A few rounds of "death at one's elbow" at the game next weekend then... "Ohhh Glenn...ohhh Glenn....don't come to the house tonight!". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 Hoddle was one of the best managers Saints had and the stats prove it. Had we appointed him in 2004 it is highly likely our unbroken run in the top league would have continued. i will bite Dalek. yes there were some real pearlers 7-1 away to Spurs 4-3 against Tranmere after being 3 up. The way he walked on us as we were preparing to go to our new stadium, when we needed stability. He gave us the end of one season and part of the following one, therefore it is hard to really quantify how good he really was. i do recall he left just beofre a really difficult run of games. Anyway i am very glad he did what he did as we may not have had the years that followed and not the Liebherrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 What a pr*ck. Sod you Dalek, I am glad that egotistical tw*t never came back. Its even worth 7 years in the minor leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 i will bite Dalek. yes there were some real pearlers 7-1 away to Spurs 4-3 against Tranmere after being 3 up. The way he walked on us as we were preparing to go to our new stadium, when we needed stability. He gave us the end of one season and part of the following one, therefore it is hard to really quantify how good he really was. i do recall he left just beofre a really difficult run of games. Anyway i am very glad he did what he did as we may not have had the years that followed and not the Liebherrs It would be the equivalent of Pochettino doing a bunk to manage Newell's Old Boys now, having only played 3 of the top half, actually. As for your sliding doors theory, I'm almost as justified in saying "had he stayed, we'd have won the World Club Championship in 2003 and the last ten Champions Leagues". One thing changes, it all changes - but why settle for only being 3rd after years of crapness, have to pay to park in the car park for 15 minutes and having lost to Norwich already? Go large! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 What a pr*ck. Sod you Dalek, I am glad that egotistical tw*t never came back. Its even worth 7 years in the minor leagues. I am surprised at you Alpine. You may have strong views but you rarely personalise things. I have never made an argument in favour of Hoddle's personality or character, but have simply stated that he was a good manager and would surely have been a preferred choice to Sturrock, who was a complete disaster and started the rot leading to our eventual downfall. As for people saying they would take our 7 years in the minor league over Hoddle, crazy, although at least you are tacitly admitting that the failure to appoint Hoddle was a large cause of our downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 It would be the equivalent of Pochettino doing a bunk to manage Newell's Old Boys now, having only played 3 of the top half, actually. As for your sliding doors theory, I'm almost as justified in saying "had he stayed, we'd have won the World Club Championship in 2003 and the last ten Champions Leagues". One thing changes, it all changes - but why settle for only being 3rd after years of crapness, have to pay to park in the car park for 15 minutes and having lost to Norwich already? Go large! Yes you are right, of course no one for sure can say what would have happened had we appointed Hoddle. However, we do know what happened by failing to appoint Hoddle and it is hard to argue that he could have done quite such a bad job as Sturrock ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 Hoddle was one of the best managers Saints had and the stats prove it. it is hard to argue that he could have done quite such a bad job as Sturrock ! Stats prove that too, I assume. Paul Sturrock's record at Southampton: Won 5, Drawn 2, Lost 6. Total games: 13, total points: 17. Not saying he was perfect, blameless or whatever but those are the stats, so yes it probably was quite possible to do such a bad job as Sturrock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 Hoddle was so good at bringing talented players into the England squad. So good that Matt Le Tiss couldn't get a place in 98, even after his hat trick against Russia Exactly, could not believe what I was reading considering who wrote it, quite staggering, if bull sxxt was music he would have a brass band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 Stats prove that too, I assume. Paul Sturrock's record at Southampton: Won 5, Drawn 2, Lost 6. Total games: 13, total points: 17. Not saying he was perfect, blameless or whatever but those are the stats, so yes it probably was quite possible to do such a bad job as Sturrock. So if Sturrock was so good, why did he get the push ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 Exactly, could not believe what I was reading considering who wrote it, quite staggering, if bull sxxt was music he would have a brass band. Yet many ex England players claimed he was a great England manager and a very good tactician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 So if Sturrock was so good, why did he get the push ? He was replaced by Wigley, so it wasn't planned. Wigley, by the way, W3 D6 L8 with the exact same squad, significantly worse than Sturrock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martel Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 Yet many ex England players claimed he was a great England manager and a very good tactician. I would go along with most of that, but his article does not ring quite true, however, and I may have to be corrected here, but did MLT change his mind at the 11th hour about joining Chelsea when Hoddle was manager for them; that may have had a beaing on his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 He was replaced by Wigley, so it wasn't planned. Wigley, by the way, W3 D6 L8 with the exact same squad, significantly worse than Sturrock. No it wasn't planned, things had deteriorated so rapidly that Sturrock had to go as he had allegedly 'lost the dressing room'. The talk was that the players had wanted and expected the much more respected Hoddle, but the board panicked due to a demonstration by a vocal minority of Saints fans, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 I would go along with most of that, but his article does not ring quite true, however, and I may have to be corrected here, but did MLT change his mind at the 11th hour about joining Chelsea when Hoddle was manager for them; that may have had a beaing on his decision. Even bigger w@nker then, not picking MLT to avenge some ancient slight. No it wasn't planned, things had deteriorated so rapidly that Sturrock had to go as he had allegedly 'lost the dressing room'. The talk was that the players had wanted and expected the much more respected Hoddle, but the board panicked due to a demonstration by a vocal minority of Saints fans, just because we were the minority it doesn't mean we were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 14 November, 2013 Share Posted 14 November, 2013 Even bigger w@nker then, not picking MLT to avenge some ancient slight. just because we were the minority it doesn't mean we were wrong. Well, many would argue that you were wrong. Wrong to set the club on the path to near total destruction ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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