Turkish Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 With the news that Hull city will shortly be changing their name to Hull tigers, what would your view be if Corteee changed our name to Southampton saints or similar? Heard loads of arguments for and against on relation to hull ranging from it does mater it's only a name, the owners can what they like and of course 'outrage' from some fans. What is the view on here if it happened to us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 An interesting question. In the grand scheme of things I don't think it matters, and that if there was to be genuine reasons for doing so (say, an increase in revenue which allowed us to further invest in the team) then I can see how from a business perspective (and FFP) it could be justified. However, from a tribal football perspective it matters as it would feel like it would be a bit more of our identity stripped away and that doesn't feel too nice. Overall, I think we know now in Premier League football that the business comes before the tradition. But that still wouldn't make it feel right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 Don't think it should be allowed, sets a dangerous precedent. I mean, Southampton Saints wouldn't be so bad but what if mental chairman suddenly decided to change a club name to Hull Homosex or Reading Racists or something? The FA should make a rule so that the ST holders get to do a vote or something. Edit: Southampton Spoons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 With the news that Hull city will shortly be changing their name to Hull tigers, what would your view be if Corteee changed our name to Southampton saints or similar? Heard loads of arguments for and against on relation to hull ranging from it does mater it's only a name, the owners can what they like and of course 'outrage' from some fans. What is the view on here if it happened to us? Honestly? A bit p*ssed off as it's now an Americanisation, although we were obviously Southampton St Marys in the 1800s anyway ... no, wouldn't be keen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 Thought this was a thread about the ladies' team. Mmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 Similar to with the kit and many others things... it goes against the traditional view of how it should be so most fans will probably not like it, me included. But of those fans you'll have the usual split: 1 - some who will not shut up about it, might start a campaign to change back, and will use it as a stick to beat the powers that be with forever more 2 - those who will not be happy about it for some time, but will gradually just accept it and won't be fussed about it after awhile 3 - the ones who accept it from day one as 'part of modern football' and get over it quickly. Lets be honest, most people will probably be in number 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 Tradition of Southampton Football Club : Relegation, underachievement, occasional shock value, lack of ambition, hanging on by the nails, being flat broke. Club Cortese is building : Top 4/5 Club in England, European Football, International recognition, love of neturals, glory-hunter fans in Manchester, strong presence in national side, massively increased income He can call us whatever the f**k he wants. And who cares about the stripes any more, really ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 (edited) Similar to with the kit and many others things... it goes against the traditional view of how it should be so most fans will probably not like it, me included. But of those fans you'll have the usual split: 1 - some who will not shut up about it, might start a campaign to change back, and will use it as a stick to beat the powers that be with forever more 2 - those who will not be happy about it for some time, but will gradually just accept it and won't be fussed about it after awhile 3 - the ones who accept it from day one as 'part of modern football' and get over it quickly. Lets be honest, most people will probably be in number 2. Pretty much. The general impression from the Save our Stripes thing tends to be the 4/5 people I speak to are sympathetic and 3/5 outright agree with the desire to maintain the clubs traditional identity. There is however very little drive outside of a few people to actually do anything. I would question the 'stick to beat the club forever more' with bit, I have started a campaign to get the kit returned to it's former tradition but if that was achieved I wouldn't have any other axe to grind! No doubt this would follow the same pattern. And as per Alpine's point, while I would say there are still people who care about the stripes as an example, if we remain successful people will be less inclined to care.... as indeed he shows. It's important that there is an outlet for protest though. Edited 12 November, 2013 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 Tradition of Southampton Football Club : Relegation, underachievement, occasional shock value, lack of ambition, hanging on by the nails, being flat broke. That's your perception, and is arguably contradictory, not sure that is our 'tradition'... I would say that, in the past, we were OVERachievers, given the size of our ground and budget... yes, we hung on by our nails on occasions, partly because we had little or no money for players, but we actually haven't been relegated all that much throughout our history if you look at it either. But I take your overriding point, that the club that is now being built is fantastic. I would rather he didn't call us what he wants, but I do accept that to a certain extent, such might be the price of our place in modern football. It's not just us, it's football as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 Tradition of Southampton Football Club : Relegation, underachievement, occasional shock value, lack of ambition, hanging on by the nails, being flat broke. Club Cortese is building : Top 4/5 Club in England, European Football, International recognition, love of neturals, glory-hunter fans in Manchester, strong presence in national side, massively increased income He can call us whatever the f**k he wants. And who cares about the stripes any more, really ? So if he merged us with Portsmouth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 Honestly? A bit p*ssed off as it's now an Americanisation, although we were obviously Southampton St Marys in the 1800s anyway ... no, wouldn't be keen. What's so bad about Americanization? Their leagues are way more competitive than ours, for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 So if he merged us with Portsmouth? wouldn't be a merger, it would be a whale (us) swallowing a bit of plankton (them). PFC would simply cease to exist and we'd just assume our role of regional superpower a bit farther to the east. Might even get a nobel prize for bringing football to the uneducated masses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpb Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 What's so bad about Americanization? Their leagues are way more competitive than ours, for a start. Have they introduced relegation then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 Have they introduced relegation then? not getting to the play-offs is their form of relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 (edited) It would make me cringe. I would be at once both nauseated and embarrassed. Another death-blow to the soul of football. While it is linguistically hardly different, it is a world apart in cultural resonance and the collective consciousness of the club and fans; it's history and tradition. Such hideous monikers fit alongside goal-muzak, giant foam fingers, large official flags waved by paid staff at either end behind the goals, and official supporters 'banners' in the nauseating features of plastic football these days. We can keep and respect our cultural heritage yet still be modern and forward-looking. That new name does neither. Edited 12 November, 2013 by adrian lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 As long as they changed our sh*t badge I'd be "meh" I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 What's so bad about Americanization? Their leagues are way more competitive than ours, for a start. Everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjsaint Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 On a serious note that would be worrying - not least because it seems to suggest an interchangeability of teams, i.e. Southampton Saints could become the Sevenoaks Saints much like the Baltimore Colts became Indianapolis Colts (and this IMO is by far the worst aspect of the US sport setup). However it is highly unlikely that we will fall into the hands of oddballs like Tan or the Allams anytime soon so I think we're safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 I thought we were going to be Red Bull Southampton, just this last summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 (edited) On a serious note that would be worrying - not least because it seems to suggest an interchangeability of teams, i.e. Southampton Saints could become the Sevenoaks Saints much like the Baltimore Colts became Indianapolis Colts (and this IMO is by far the worst aspect of the US sport setup). However it is highly unlikely that we will fall into the hands of oddballs like Tan or the Allams anytime soon so I think we're safe. Yes, it's the potential franchisation model that is worrying and the use of names such as Tigers, Saints, Red Devils lends itself to it. Thankfully there are rules in place to stop another McDons occuring but unlike American sports where the franchises are awarded to cities the clubs here are 99.9% organically grown from their local communities, as such the identity and history means and matters more. The 'Americanisation' is culturally incompatible in so many ways. Edited 12 November, 2013 by Colinjb Spelling error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 Club Cortese is building : Top 4/5 Club in England, European Football, International recognition, love of neturals, glory-hunter fans in Manchester, strong presence in national side, massively increased income That was Saints in the 80's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 and just remembered the name change we had a couple of years ago. South Coast Team. ( or something similar) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 Would hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 If Cortese wanted to do it then obviously it would be a brilliant thing to do and only contribute to our success on the pitch. Indeed, many on here are convinced that having a plain red kit is a genuine contributory factor in our current on-field success. The word Saints is very important to Oriental people as well so can only build on our massive presence there and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 So if he merged us with Portsmouth? Then we'd have people to clean the bogs at St. Mary's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopper Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 I could live with Southampton City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matty's Caddy Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 As long as they changed our sh*t badge I'd be "meh" I think. Sh*t badge? Are you on drugs? Easily the best badge out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 I'd rather we stuck with Southampton FC as our official name. But I'd prefer our abbreviation to be "Saints" rather than "Soton" in league tables or on scoreboards etc (if Southampton has too many letters in it). Wolverhampton and Tottenham seem to manage this, they aren't abbreviated to Wampton or Totham, but rather to Wolves and Spurs. Much classier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 Sh*t badge? Are you on drugs? Easily the best badge out there. It's utterly gash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 Southampton Super Soccerball Saints Covers all the global marketing angles plus means a ton of revenue for the club printing flags by the letter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 Sh*t badge? Are you on drugs? Easily the best badge out there. tbf it does depict a black man with a green afro drowning in a river of blood. The racist imagery has always sat a bit uncomfortably with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 12 November, 2013 Share Posted 12 November, 2013 My wife (she's American) calls them Southampton Saints. No matter how much I punch her and kick her, she just can't help Americanising their name. I would hate if we changed it. It would mean I would have to stop beating up the missus, and even worse, she would be in the right!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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