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Unbelievable Jeff

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Saying I talk ******** and saying my opinion is not worth the light of day, you have not faced the truth he has been a letdown but merely offered weak counterpoints of why he may not be able to get back into the team (he had his chance as little as 3 weeks ago so fitness is a moot point), lets discuss the footballing merits of him concerning why I think he is poor and not worth the time and effort without stupid retorts.

 

Read post 14 again, I have outlined he's been disappointing. So again Barry (and I feel like I say this on almost a daily basis), learn to read and stop talking ********.

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He has been woeful and nothing short of it, people WANTING him to (I also do believe it or not) be good does not make it so, step back and see he has been awful, absolute crap, lack of fitness, desire and want have been key to his total failure, we have had him for 18 months and he has done nothing for his price, his price alone is the only reason he continues to be selected for the squad, and also the massive dent Cortese's ego has taken over this.

 

So no goals, assists or good performances in important wins at all?

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So no goals, assists or good performances in important wins at all?

 

Go on, give examples, thats lazy just saying you think he has been good and then dismissing if someone says he has played badly for nearly every game or gone missing for nearly every game or looked disinterested for nearly every game or unfit.........................

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Go on, give examples, thats lazy just saying you think he has been good and then dismissing if someone says he has played badly for nearly every game or gone missing for nearly every game or looked disinterested for nearly every game or unfit.........................

 

Least season when given a run in the team:

 

Villa- home win

Newcastle- home win

Arsenal- home draw

West Ham- home draw

Everton- home draw

Reading- home win

 

may be a few others but the stand out games I can think of where he scored/and or and played well, helping us to get at least 12 points, without which, we would have been relegated.

 

Not saying he has been great but equally lazy of you to say that he has done nothing and been ****.

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Least season when given a run in the team:

 

Villa- home win

Newcastle- home win

Arsenal- home draw

West Ham- home draw

Everton- home draw

Reading- home win

 

may be a few others but the stand out games I can think of where is scored and played well, helping us to get at least 12 points, without which, we would have been relegated.

 

Not saying he had been great but equally lazy of you to say that he has done nothing and been ****.

 

 

So he was good for 6 games! Thats merits him in the side or squad as opposed to Cortese ego or his price tag?

You can not say without Gaston Ramirez we would have been relegated, he helped us which strangely is what he is supposed to do and he has not done it enough hence the accuastions of him being a waste of money.

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So he was good for 6 games! Thats merits him in the side or squad as opposed to Cortese ego or his price tag?

You can not say without Gaston Ramirez we would have been relegated, he helped us which strangely is what he is supposed to do and he has not done it enough hence the accuastions of him being a waste of money.

 

I said those were the stand out ones which happened during his only decent run in the team.

 

I never said he merits to be in the side, others are playing too well and he would need to earn his place unless there are loads of injuries in which case he needs to make sure that he keeps his place.

 

Not saying he has been brilliant or writing him off, just a good player For a relatively high transfer fee but not one which should mean there are any gaurentee's or be used as a stick to beat him with IMO.

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I said those were the stand out ones which happened during his only decent run in the team.

 

I never said he merits to be in the side, others are playing too well and he would need to earn his place unless there are loads of injuries in which case he needs to make sure that he keeps his place.

 

Not saying he has been brilliant or writing him off, just a good player For a relatively high transfer fee but not one which should mean there are any gaurentee's or be used as a stick to beat him with IMO.

 

I'm not using the fee we paid for him as a stick to beat him with as that was Cortese's poor decision, he also came here for the money as he stated he could not turn it down so that was never going to be a positive sign.

He has never been prepared to put his foot in, care or even look bothered, now if you are going to be that sort of player and there are many like that around you have to compensate for this slackness by being ****ing awesome for the standard of League/team you play in, he quite simply has not been at that standard.

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But you still advocate his inclusion, obviously not diasappointed enough Jeff which merits questioning as he has been crap.

 

I think he deserves another chance, yes and I don't think that merits questioning. He contributed more last season in goals and assists than Puncheon and Lallana in less games, and your assertion that he doesn't try also befits someone who has rarely watched him (I assume you don't get to many games), so it seems to me you are trying to make him out to be the archetypal 'lazy foreigner', whereas that is just plain wrong.

 

If you weren't so insistent that he has been 'woeful' people may try to treat you with a little more respect. As it is you are referred to as nothing but the forum troll, along with another one or two suspect posters because your opinion is so extreme (and wrong).

 

You write like an adult, yet seem to form opinions like a child would. It's a shame as because you spend so much time on this forum you get to spoil a lot of threads.

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I think he deserves another chance, yes and I don't think that merits questioning. He contributed more last season in goals and assists than Puncheon and Lallana in less games, and your assertion that he doesn't try also befits someone who has rarely watched him (I assume you don't get to many games), so it seems to me you are trying to make him out to be the archetypal 'lazy foreigner', whereas that is just plain wrong.

 

If you weren't so insistent that he has been 'woeful' people may try to treat you with a little more respect. As it is you are referred to as nothing but the forum troll, along with another one or two suspect posters because your opinion is so extreme (and wrong).

 

You write like an adult, yet seem to form opinions like a child would. It's a shame as because you spend so much time on this forum you get to spoil a lot of threads.

 

You say I ruin threads but I fear thats you not liking what you are reading, I dont go to many but I still see every game on the laptop and my family still go but some do and some dont agree with my opinion of him.

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I'm not using the fee we paid for him as a stick to beat him with as that was Cortese's poor decision, he also came here for the money as he stated he could not turn it down so that was never going to be a positive sign.

He has never been prepared to put his foot in, care or even look bothered, now if you are going to be that sort of player and there are many like that around you have to compensate for this slackness by being ****ing awesome for the standard of League/team you play in, he quite simply has not been at that standard.

 

Have to say I agree with Bazza here - I know his is an extreme opinion which puts a lot of people off but frankly for whatever reason I don't think Ramirez has done enough. Most of the people I talk to (outside of this forum) agree as well. I read someone say the other day that Le Tiss wouldn't get in our team now because of his lack of workrate but that's rubbish - he'd walk into it because of what he could do. Workrate or not there aren't many teams that can afford to keep genius out. I'm not going to say that I expected Ramirez to be *that* good but I did expect more. Course this is only an opinion but crucially it seems to be one that MP happens to share which I guess is the only thing that counts. Let's face it even in the cup games this season Ramirez hasn't been that good.

 

I think he deserves another chance, yes and I don't think that merits questioning. He contributed more last season in goals and assists than Puncheon and Lallana in less games, and your assertion that he doesn't try also befits someone who has rarely watched him (I assume you don't get to many games), so it seems to me you are trying to make him out to be the archetypal 'lazy foreigner', whereas that is just plain wrong.

 

If you weren't so insistent that he has been 'woeful' people may try to treat you with a little more respect. As it is you are referred to as nothing but the forum troll, along with another one or two suspect posters because your opinion is so extreme (and wrong).

 

You write like an adult, yet seem to form opinions like a child would. It's a shame as because you spend so much time on this forum you get to spoil a lot of threads.

 

You may be in the wrong place if you don't feel an opinion is allowed to be questioned.

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Cheers, could you kick Poulter in the nuts and tell him to wear something sober for a change? cheers ta.

 

OK done that, took a lot of logistics to find a mate to hold the camera.

 

To be fair, he did say

 

1) Sod Barry he can negotiate his own discount

2) Up yours, after this, "I'll wear whatever I can get round my swollen nuts"

 

Have a nice day

 

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I think the first thing any player, and that includes Ramirez, has to buy into is that the Southampton way is a high energy game to first win the ball and then keep possession. Our players mostly pass and move, Clyne, Shaw, Lovren, Schneiderlin (now and then), especially Lallana, and Rodriguez attack at pace carrying the ball but pass and move and work like crazy to close down the opposition. Ramirez unlike Lallana who is working his socks off doesn't play that way. He is a play making ball carrier that nearly always tries to run with the ball. He is a talent and could be great for us if he is able to adopt the high energy pressing game however I am not sure he can or is trying to. This leads me to think that the manager isn't going to compromise and unless Ramirez adapts he will move on.

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He doesn't earn 2 million euros net, that was a figure made up by an Italian newspaper.

 

I love how some clueless people keep repeating the same incorrect fact., but then you expect that from the usual WUMs

 

How do you know it was made up?

 

'Clueless people' this coming from someone who the other day claimed QPR and Chelsea had both underachieved despite signing a lot of players :lol:

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The Southampton team game requires high energy from everyone. Ramirez is a talent but our game isn't the way he plays. He has to adapt to our high energy team game that strangles the life out of the opposition or move on. Lallana in particular has retained the best of his game but is now working incredibly hard, Ramirez has to do the same. I love his skill but I get the feeling he isn't adapting. The manager isn't going to compromise and include a weak link. Unfortunately for Ramirez he has to do it our way, I'm not sure he can. (Duplicated post I thought the other one deleted):blush:

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But the point was, certainly on my side, was that he doesn't take home £60k per week. He takes home under half of that. In addition, if you had that money you would not buy a house in Southampton as an investment...

 

Any reason why not?

 

Property is a pretty good investment at the moment and I'm not sure why a house in Hampshire would be a bad investment - especially as you have the benefit of living in it (for the time being at least)

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Player A was bought by a Premier League team, having been the standout player for a weaker team in a weaker league. After initially impressing in a brief run of games, he suffered an injury and a consequent catastrophic loss of form. When brought back into the team, he was mediocre at best and became a symbol of derision amongst the club's supporters, a running joke. He lost his place to a less talented, but more committed player. He was slated for being overrated, workshy, weak and spent over a year on the sidelines, reduced to cameos from the bench.

 

Fortunately, his club kept their faith in him, adapted his training and playing style and built his confidence, developed the physical side of his game and brought him on massively as an athlete. And it turns out that they know more about football than their fans, because although it took more than a couple of seasons to get the best out of him, he's now the most expensive player in the world.

 

Player B was bought by a Premier League team, having been the standout player for a weaker team in a weaker league. He was undoubtedly talented, but was slated for being a one-trick pony, weak on the ball, incapable of crossing or delivering an end product, petulant and disinterested. His fitness was questioned as he seemed incapable of playing a full 90 minutes, either starting or finishing matches on the bench.

 

Fortunately, his club kept their faith in him, adapted his training and playing style and built his confidence, developed the physical side of his game and brought him on massively as an athlete. And it turns out that they know more about football than their fans, because although it took more than a couple of seasons to get the best out of him, he's now the second-most expensive and arguably best player in the world.

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So he was good for 6 games! Thats merits him in the side or squad as opposed to Cortese ego or his price tag?

You can not say without Gaston Ramirez we would have been relegated, he helped us which strangely is what he is supposed to do and he has not done it enough hence the accuastions of him being a waste of money.

 

Well actually, if you take those 6 games where he was good and take the points away we WOULD have been relegated.

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Some of you can debate this for 10 pages and you won't get anywhere... might be better for your own sanity to agree to disagree.

 

The way I currently see it is as follows:

 

- The past is the past, we are where we are, and that has little or nothing to do with the players or the teams future.

- Currently, he is not performing to the standard required to break into the team. There are others who deserve to be ahead of him both in the starting XI and on the bench.

- Whether he has the potential to do so in the future depends on him and MoPo. For all the predictions and judgements passed on here, we all WANT him to do well, none of us truly know the situation with his fitness, with his mental preparation and with the managers current opinion, and so, to a certain extent, we just need to trust the clubs judgement whatever they choose to do.

 

While he is our player and when he gets on to the pitch, it is in our interests to support him to get the best out of him.

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I think the first thing any player, and that includes Ramirez, has to buy into is that the Southampton way is a high energy game to first win the ball and then keep possession. Our players mostly pass and move, Clyne, Shaw, Lovren, Schneiderlin (now and then), especially Lallana, and Rodriguez attack at pace carrying the ball but pass and move and work like crazy to close down the opposition. Ramirez unlike Lallana who is working his socks off doesn't play that way. He is a play making ball carrier that nearly always tries to run with the ball. He is a talent and could be great for us if he is able to adopt the high energy pressing game however I am not sure he can or is trying to. This leads me to think that the manager isn't going to compromise and unless Ramirez adapts he will move on.

 

Fair comment but his single most blindingly obvious issue is his ball retention which is frankly abysmal.

Our game is completely built around this factor. He has to improve massively in this part of his game to compete for a place.....

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League Inter Milan and Fiorentina, EXCLUSIVE: news' arriving on Gaston Ramirez

The Uruguayan playmaker is finding little space in this season with the Southampton and could return to Italy in January

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.calciomercato.it%2Fnews%2F246391%2F.html&act=url

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Southampton FC ‏@SouthamptonFC 2h

Uruguay are about to play the first leg of their #WCQ play-off against Jordan in Amman. #SaintsFC’s @gasramirez10 starts on the bench.

 

Ramirez just came on (72 mins). Uruguay just gone 3-0 up. Although Jordan have had most possession in the 2nd half, it is pretty one sided

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In case there's anyone who still doesn't know though, Ramirez wasn't available to Saints on Saturday for the Hull game as Uruguay have their World Cup Play-Off with Jordan on Wednesday.

 

Suarez only played for Liverpool because they stumped up for a plane to fly him out there immediately afterwards and Uruguay agreed, but the rest of their squad wasn't available for selection on the weekend either.

 

You'd have thought he'd let Gaston share it and go halves of the cost. A bit like when you find someone else in the Taxi queue going to the same location.

 

Perhaps Suarez doesn't like him either...?

 

..or perhaps Gaston didn't want teethmarks on his arm.

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Ramirez just came on (72 mins). Uruguay just gone 3-0 up. Although Jordan have had most possession in the 2nd half, it is pretty one sided

 

Full time, 5-0.

 

lol @ Gaston wanting to take a free kick, Cavani shakes his head and bangs it into the top right corner himself.

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Ramirez just came on (72 mins). Uruguay just gone 3-0 up. Although Jordan have had most possession in the 2nd half, it is pretty one sided

 

plays a very deep role for Uruguay, almost a CM. Jordan were absolute rubbish, Gillingham are probably better. Mind you I think they kicked 12 players, including the captain and the first choice keeper out of the squad for smoking during a training camp so perhaps they didn't want to go to Brazil at all. Unless they wipe the slate clean on that before the return leg they'd be better off not turning up in Montevideo..

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