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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2499711/Morgan-Schneiderlin-play-England-warns-Southampton-boss-Mauricio-Pochettino.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

 

 

[h=1]Southampton have been hailed as England's 'academy' following call-ups for the likes of Lambert, Lallana and Rodriguez... but who is the latest star linked with the Three Lions (clue... he was born in France)?[/h]

 

This is starting to get just a little bit silly now

 

Must be a Saints Fan working at The Fail with all this stuff coming out :)

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Pretty sure it's not even possible anyway, as he's represented France at U21 level.

 

I'm pretty sure that only full senior call ups lock the player in to that nation.

 

Kevin Prince Boateng as an example plays for Ghana but represented Germany at u21 level.

 

Either way, I wouldn't expect Morgan to in any way consider an England call up.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2499711/Morgan-Schneiderlin-play-England-warns-Southampton-boss-Mauricio-Pochettino.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

 

 

 

 

This is starting to get just a little bit silly now

 

Must be a Saints Fan working at The Fail with all this stuff coming out :)

 

Suggests to me that the wheels are probably already in motion then; Morgan would need to write to the FA stating that he wants to play for England (if he does that is) and renounce any possibility of playing for France. I know he's a bit of a patriot but it depends just how much longer he's prepared to carry on being slapped in the face by the FFF and see inferior players tried out for the national side, there is a limit to everything. English football has given him everything that he has so he could eventually take the same attitude as Diego Costa. If MP has spoken about it it's no doubt because he's discussed it with Hogson or his team.

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Suggests to me that the wheels are probably already in motion then; Morgan would need to write to the FA stating that he wants to play for England (if he does that is) and renounce any possibility of playing for France. I know he's a bit of a patriot but it depends just how much longer he's prepared to carry on being slapped in the face by the FFF and see inferior players tried out for the national side, there is a limit to everything. English football has given him everything that he has so he could eventually take the same attitude as Diego Costa. If MP has spoken about it it's no doubt because he's discussed it with Hogson or his team.

 

His case is truly bizarre, a Brazilian born player, capped twice for his nation's senior side and now eligible to play for Spain instead.

 

In exceptional circumstances FIFA will allow you to switch country.

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Suggests to me that the wheels are probably already in motion then; Morgan would need to write to the FA stating that he wants to play for England (if he does that is) and renounce any possibility of playing for France. I know he's a bit of a patriot but it depends just how much longer he's prepared to carry on being slapped in the face by the FFF and see inferior players tried out for the national side, there is a limit to everything. English football has given him everything that he has so he could eventually take the same attitude as Diego Costa. If MP has spoken about it it's no doubt because he's discussed it with Hogson or his team.

 

That would REALLY upset old saggychops....

 

Not only missed out on the England job to Woy, but also missed out on being the first England Manager to oversee the transfer of a player into the squad.

 

#wotnowindow@internationallevel

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I am not sure that international friendlies count as official matches.

 

I believe they do, there was a fair amount of comment over Owen Hargreaves commiting to England after his debut in a friendly v Holland, this was considered a 'full international.'

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I thought it was the case that he couldn't play for England as he'd not been a scholar for five years (or something along those lines)?

 

no it's 5 years residence after the age of 18, being a scholar or not has nothing to do with it. After 5 years you become eligible to become a UK national (you have to ask for it though) and if you take that road you can play for your adopted nation unless you've played in an official competiton for another nation at senior level.

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Are France considered a home nation under this?

No, the point being that an agreement exists between all of the home nations that none of them will seek to call up "naturalised" players who don't qualify by birth or parentage. Hence the situation with Almunia and Arteta a few years back and Januzaj more recently has been a weird excuse to waste column inches when it's a non-discussion.

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so how do you explain the case of Diego Costa ?

 

FIFA intervened directly and granted an exception based on Costa taking on full Spanish nationality.

 

All this goes to show is that it doesn't matter what the rules are seen to be, there is always a little 'wiggle' room.

 

Probably meaningless in this case though as I cannot see Morgan wanting to play for 'Les Rosbifs!'

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The criteria for eligibility to represent a home nation is:

1. A Player who, under the terms of art. 5, is eligible to represent more than one Association on account of his nationality, may play in an international match for one of these Associations only if, in addition to having the relevant nationality, he fulfils at least one of the following conditions:

a) He was born on the territory of the relevant Association;

b) His biological mother or biological father was born on the territory of the relevant Association;

c) His grandmother or grandfather was born on the territory of the relevant Association;

d) He has engaged in a minimum of five years education under the age of 18 within the territory of the relevant association.

— Home nations agreement

 

Ratified by FIFA. We are treated differently to other nations.

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The reason the Costa situation is a bit more complex is that he hadn't represented either Brazil or Spain at an age-group level, but has been eligible to represent both for a few years. He has two caps for the full Brazil side, but they were both in friendlies. If Costa had played at U21 (or U23 for the Olympics) level for Brazil, he wouldn't have been eligible for Spain.

 

The Boateng situation was a number of years ago when the rules were different.

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Whatever MP's motives are for raising this, one things for sure, Morgan having his name in the English national papers is a good way of rattling the French FA's cage...

 

Exactly, it is absolutely shameful that crap like Mavuba,Sissoko and Guilavogui are getting called up and Morgan isn't. Déschamps has a big club, European competition mentality and the only way Morgan is going to see a blue shirt anytime soon is for the French to be destroyed by Ukraine in the play-offs and the c**t Deschamps sacked, might not happen though. Even if it does they'll probably replace him with Zidane who has about 3 months experience coaching Real's youth side, after that another 98 hero and another and yet another until they've all been tried and have failed.. Wenger prices himself out of the job every time, they won't take a foreigner so we just have endless sh*t at the helm.

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that was my first thought. force their hand.

 

my thoughts. can't believe he would really want to play for england, just a nice way of MP making noises to those over the channel. he seems so proud that all his players are getting call ups, it must be heart breaking that someone who is doing as well as morgan is not even getting anywhere near a mention. good on yer, mp, i say.

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I think, although can't be sure, that MP was probably having a little joke about it. I'm pretty certain Morgan wouldn't contemplate it, even if it would be flattering to have the opportunity.

 

France cannot continue to ignore him.

 

This was one of the things I spoke to him about last night. Let's just say he would love to play in the Brazil WC...

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This was one of the things I spoke to him about last night. Let's just say he would love to play in the Brazil WC...

 

I can't tell whether this means he wants to play for England or he wants to sign for a French team where he'll get the recognition in the FFF setup.

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I can't tell whether this means he wants to play for England or he wants to sign for a French team where he'll get the recognition in the FFF setup.

 

I doubt he would need to go to France, just to a club that's more recognised. One of the next big hurdles for us would be to have our better performers recognised by their countries. It will show well for our standing if Schneiderlin and Fonte received call ups. As yet though, no dice.

 

That Osvaldo continues to be selected to Italy after joining us is an excellent sign, hopefully Morgan's time is imminent. If not, then hopefully his head will not be turned.

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I think this is just a case of getting Morgan's name noticed by the French FA and thus hopefully increasing his chances for a call up that he clearly deserves, there aren't many better DMs in Europe let alone French ones.

 

The more of our guys that get international call ups the less reasons they have to move, as this is one of the commonest reasons to move to bigger clubs aside from money and champions league football.

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Just seems we are again being awkward for the sake of it, every other country seems to do it to their advantage apart from the home nations.

 

Just deprives players like Bale and Giggs of major international tournaments that's all it does. I mean in theory if the English FA

had bee astute enough both of them could have been selected for England under the old rules. Then again as England don't select 16 year olds and Wales do it would never happen. Young players of above average talent from the home countries should think twice before signing up for these minor nations.

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Just deprives players like Bale and Giggs of major international tournaments that's all it does. I mean in theory if the English FA

had bee astute enough both of them could have been selected for England under the old rules. Then again as England don't select 16 year olds and Wales do it would never happen. Young players of above average talent from the home countries should think twice before signing up for these minor nations.

 

I dont mind the home nation ruling myself, personally I dont want to see an English national team being full of welsh and scots (not that it would) otherwise we would just have team GB

 

This sort of applies to januzaj and Spider aswell, they arent english, as much as they'll do a better job then this crowd.

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I dont mind the home nation ruling myself, personally I dont want to see an English national team being full of welsh and scots (not that it would) otherwise we would just have team GB

 

This sort of applies to januzaj and Spider aswell, they arent english, as much as they'll do a better job then this crowd.

 

I don't agree with it at all either but its an unfair advantage non home nations have that we cant use isnt it.

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I don't agree with it at all either but its an unfair advantage non home nations have that we cant use isnt it.

 

We can use it but before doing so we'd have to change the rules with FIFA, now whether we'd just have to tell them that we no longer wish to abide by an agreement (not a FIFA rule) or whether it would have to be agreed by the other 3 nations I have no idea.

Depends on just how desperate for the players concerned we are really.

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