Colinjb Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Knee operation apparently: The manager confirms that Guly do Prado had a knee operation on Wednesday and he is expected to be out for the next two months. From http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/24863760 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 I've got £10 at 5/1 that Glasgow_Saint posts a quip before post #10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 That's interesting as he's been coming on off the bench a lot. I wonder if T. Lee will get more of a chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 I think we kneed a stronger bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 This just makes me feel sorry for Osvaldo and Ramirez, as they're now the only two whipping boys for the trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 when does his contract expire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 November, 2013 I like to think of him more as a player who was bought into a club playing League 1 football, and helped them acheive consecutive promotions and then was considered a valuable Premier League squad player by two (highly respected) managers... but you keep being 'honest'... Hear hear! Guly is a limited but useful player where we are now, he is a great option when we need to close games out at this level as he isn't afraid to play simply; Namely close down the opposition and keep the ball against a tiring team who are chasing the game. That the option is not available to use over the next two months is a pity. We havn't been afraid to cast aside those are are seen as not good enough, Dan Harding, Billy Sharp, Lee Barnard, Aaron Martin, Dean Hammond. Guly is still valued, as you say that speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Danny Fox is still valued, it's an Arthur C Clarke not just baffling, Guly has a worse scoring record than some of our defenders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Bit ofa shame that, I'm one of the fans who doesnt mind Guly and his contribution over the last few years has been absolutely superb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Stone me! It's a double act! It reminds of the story of Mike Winters appearing at some theatre (Glasgow I believe). Bernie Winters ambles on.. "Christ, there's two of them!" We have our own two on this thread. Maybe a couple more later.. The problem is their act is so, so predictable. Trousers is lieing: there's no way he'd have got 5-1. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 November, 2013 (edited) Danny Fox is still valued, it's an Arthur C Clarke not just baffling, Guly has a worse scoring record than some of our defenders! Not in League 1 and the Championship. His goals were bloody useful then. No-one is saying he is a leading light but he still has a role to play and is certainly not as out of his depth as Fox! He is also no longer deployed as a striker, it's as a wide midfielder in the closing stages to stifle the opposition. He isn't going to get into positions to score on that basis. The last game where he was used as a genuine attacker in the Premier League was Stoke away last season and again, it was due to his work-rate. He was tireless in the first half there, stopping Stoke performing and played a massive part in us going 3-1 up after 30 minutes. As quoted in the BBC: Saints deservedly took the lead as Do Prado turned Ryan Shotton - in for Cameron at right-back - and crossed for Lambert to get ahead of Wilkinson and slot home. It was the other side of the coin that he and the rest of the team was knackered in the closing stages, he ran himself into the ground for the team. Edited 8 November, 2013 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 (edited) Stone me! It's a double act! It reminds of the story of Mike Winters appearing at some theatre (Glasgow I believe). Bernie Winters ambles on.. "Christ, there's two of them!" We have our own two on this thread. Maybe a couple more later.. The problem is their act is so, so predictable. Trousers is lieing: there's no way he'd have got 5-1. ;-) Sorry...when I make stuff up I must remember to make it sound realistic I don't think he's rumbled yet that we know they are the same person so keep it between me and you... Edited 8 November, 2013 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Shame he is injured as decent squad option. We havent got a lot of cover for the attacking positions so bit of a blow. Think his contract must be up at the end of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 He's contracted till 2015 I thought after an extension last season... He's a model pro and not a liability on the pitch what more could we ask for from someone who played a big part in 2 promotions. Hopefully he recovers quickly from this injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 He's contracted till 2015 I thought after an extension last season... He's a model pro and not a liability on the pitch what more could we ask for from someone who played a big part in 2 promotions. Hopefully he recovers quickly from this injury Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 I think we kneed a stronger bench. Can we put in a joint bid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Can we put in a joint bid? That would cap it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 That would cap it. Will he be back in spring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 (edited) Not in League 1 and the Championship. His goals were bloody useful then. No-one is saying he is a leading light but he still has a role to play and is certainly not as out of his depth as Fox! He is also no longer deployed as a striker, it's as a wide midfielder in the closing stages to stifle the opposition. He isn't going to get into positions to score on that basis. The last game where he was used as a genuine attacker in the Premier League was Stoke away last season and again, it was due to his work-rate. He was tireless in the first half there, stopping Stoke performing and played a massive part in us going 3-1 up after 30 minutes. As quoted in the BBC: It was the other side of the coin that he and the rest of the team was knackered in the closing stages, he ran himself into the ground for the team. Was that the game he missed an open goal? http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/videos/151655/stoke-3-3-southampton-jerome-rocket-rescues-point-for-potters-as-saints-shine-at-the-britannia-photos-highlights.html Edited 8 November, 2013 by Barry Sanchez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Was that the game he missed an open goal? He did miss a chance that looked deceptively easy to the casual observer yes. Trying to volley a ball in mid air, while turning whilst under immediate pressure from the stoke defence bearing down on him. Trust you to dwell on a single negative, he had a blinder until that point. Was in my opinion the best player on the pitch. Care to address the other points? Not everyone shares your view or need to scapegoat a good pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 So we go from hard and cynical in playing a second XI in the cup game and forums posters applaud this and not worrying about it and yet get all misty eyed when an average footballer at best is injured for our League campaign, the hypocrisy is everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 November, 2013 So we go from hard and cynical in playing a second XI in the cup game and forums posters applaud this and not worrying about it and yet get all misty eyed when an average footballer at best is injured for our League campaign, the hypocrisy is everywhere. Nonsense. Really must stop reacting to these trolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 He did miss a chance that looked deceptively easy to the casual observer yes. Trying to volley a ball in mid air, while turning whilst under immediate pressure from the stoke defence bearing down on him. Trust you to dwell on a single negative, he had a blinder until that point. Was in my opinion the best player on the pitch. Care to address the other points? Not everyone shares your view or need to scapegoat a good pro. http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/your-report/display/match:5745/ No,if you google it it is also not me, I am not scapegoating anyone, he is ****, a charlatan not of Danny Fox's porportion's but close, a striker who fails to score but who pus the effort in and runs around a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Nonsense. Really must stop reacting to these trolls. For the first time ever I've used the block function on here. My forum viewing is so much more pleasurable without seeing Barry and Glasgow to name just two that have been removed. I only see the interesting posts now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 November, 2013 http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/your-report/display/match:5745/ No,if you google it it is also not me, I am not scapegoating anyone, he is ****, a charlatan not of Danny Fox's porportion's but close, a striker who fails to score but who pus the effort in and runs around a lot. He is not a striker. And as for the effort, that's something Ramirez is lambasted for so why not praise it when someone contributes like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Nonsense. Really must stop reacting to these trolls. I am not trolling as I am giving my opinion, you simply dont like it and come out with that childish response, you dont accept my opinion as I yours but I certainly value your thoughts, where that puts you I dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 He is not a striker. And as for the effort, that's something Ramirez is lambasted for so why not praise it when someone contributes like that? He was signed as a Striker, are you Guly? Do you smoke marlborough lights and like Ocean Village? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 November, 2013 (edited) I am not trolling as I am giving my opinion, you simply dont like it and come out with that childish response, you dont accept my opinion as I yours but I certainly value your thoughts, where that puts you I dont know. I am suggesting that your use of inciteful language (insinuations of hypocrisy) is trolling, not the opinion. I am not interested in discussing what behaviour is childish, any other forum user will be able to cast their own opinion on that. I absolutely reject your opinion and have been reasonably countering it. Edited 8 November, 2013 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 November, 2013 (edited) He was signed as a Striker, are you Guly? Do you smoke marlborough lights and like Ocean Village? In the same way that Wayne Bridge was signed as a forward? As Rochdale signed Rickie Lambert as a central midfielder? Positions are not hard and fast, they change in time as tactics/player development require. As for the bit in bold, needless trolling. Trying to incite a reaction. Edited 8 November, 2013 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 In the same way that Wayne Bridge was signed as a forward? As Rochdale signed Rickie Lambert as a central midfielder? Positions are not hard and fast, they change in time as tactics/player development require. Player development , that bit I am lost as has Guly developed here or regressed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 I am suggesting that your use of inciteful language (insinuations of hypocrisy) is trolling, not the opinion. I am not interested in discussing what behaviour is childish, any other forum user will be able to cast their own opinion on that. I absolutely reject your opinion and have been reasonably countering it. Good to always have an open opinion.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JN9 Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 So we go from hard and cynical in playing a second XI in the cup game and forums posters applaud this and not worrying about it and yet get all misty eyed when an average footballer at best is injured for our League campaign, the hypocrisy is everywhere. I don't think anyone is getting "misty eyed"... Just think that the instant "doesn't matter, hes **** anyway..." attitude is a little unfair to the bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Player development , that bit I am lost as has Guly developed here or regressed? Certainly progressed, when signed he was lazy and didn't get into the team at League one level until he became used to tracking back to win the ball and support the team's defensive effort. That part of his game has progressed during his time here to the extent that he is now trusted as a subsititute at premier league level to come on and help keep things tight towards the back end of games. He is no longer primarily used for his attacking strengths but for his more defensive and work-manly qualities, it's been quite a transformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JN9 Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Player development , that bit I am lost as has Guly developed here or regressed? Surely you would agree that his development is very difficult to judge, what with him being signed as a League 1 player and now he is a squad player in the Premier League... He must be doing something right, Adkins and Pochettino both had him as a squad player when so many others were deemed not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Lol, Barry trying to knock a signing again. A player that signed in L1 for under £1m, contributed well in L1 & the Championship is a naff signing again. Clutching at straws mate. You clearly know more than Adkins & Pochettino. Thank christ you are no where near decision making at any football club. Tell us again how those teams with great transfer strategies like QPR & Norwich are doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Lol, Barry trying to knock a signing again. A player that signed in L1 for under £1m, contributed well in L1 & the Championship is a naff signing again. Clutching at straws mate. You clearly know more than Adkins & Pochettino. Thank christ you are no where near decision making at any football club. Tell us again how those teams with great transfer strategies like QPR & Norwich are doing? It's so easy to deconstruct opinions that are clearly based on a jerking knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 It's so easy to deconstruct opinions that are clearly based on a jerking knee. He just has awful, awful judgement. "If I say over, and over, and over and over again that every Saints player is useless, and every signing is rubbish and a waste of money, one day, I might just be right" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Well I, for one, have learned a lot from Guly. Until he arrived I thought that a Brazilian was a "haircut". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 19 goals in 90 appearances for Southampton, you would have to hope he is a workhorse, we have some good players and good signings but also some very very poor ones, Forren, Mayuka,Lee,Ramirez for starters. We award runnning around now and effort, if that was so much the case why does he not start? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Because he is no longer good enough for the first team. He helps do a job to close out a game in the latter stages. He was signed to be a premiership player. Funny how you keep shifting who is/isn't a poor signing - what happened to your "we'd be lucky to get half our money back for J-rod" line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Because he is no longer good enough for the first team. He helps do a job to close out a game in the latter stages. He was signed to be a premiership player. Funny how you keep shifting who is/isn't a poor signing - what happened to your "we'd be lucky to get half our money back for J-rod" line? Yep. As for awarding running and effort..... yes. It's used as a stick to beat some players with so why not praise it..... Hang on, i'm repeating myself. Post 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Because he is no longer good enough for the first team. He helps do a job to close out a game in the latter stages. He was signed to be a premiership player. Funny how you keep shifting who is/isn't a poor signing - what happened to your "we'd be lucky to get half our money back for J-rod" line? At that point we were not playing him as he was not playing well at all, you do remember he was frustrated with Adkins in January for not playing and wanted game time? When did I write that? He went away from that and learned and came back stronger I would assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Guly is a striker that has not scored for 2 years, not played 90 minutes for donkeys and gets the occasional 5 minutes where he does nothing. He costs us £20k a week (fact) and has won more points on his licence than he has for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 8 November, 2013 Author Share Posted 8 November, 2013 (edited) Guly is a striker that has not scored for 2 years, not played 90 minutes for donkeys and gets the occasional 5 minutes where he does nothing. He costs us £20k a week (fact) and has won more points on his licence than he has for us. Who is no longer used as a striker..... But his goals more then played their part in two consecutive promotions when he was played as one. Winners against Millwall, Coventry, Palace a brace v Middlesborough before Connolly scored his Hollywood goal; And that was just in the one season. Edited 8 November, 2013 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 (edited) At that point we were not playing him as he was not playing well at all, you do remember he was frustrated with Adkins in January for not playing and wanted game time? When did I write that? He went away from that and learned and came back stronger I would assume. The "half our money" back stuff was tail end of last season - when he had a run in the team under MP was was arguably one of our best players over that time. Edit: Also, that 'frustrated' stuff was another example of words being taken out of context. The beeb clearly tried to make that interview out to be something it wasn't - similar to the Osvaldo "it's difficult adapting to a new league" = he wants out. Edited 8 November, 2013 by KelvinsRightGlove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 I don't think he's rumbled yet that we know they are the same person so keep it between me and you... confused.com thought I was 110_Persaint (RIP) & Barry was Dune (RIP)??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 Guly is a striker that has not scored for 2 years, not played 90 minutes for donkeys and gets the occasional 5 minutes where he does nothing. He costs us £20k a week (fact) and has won more points on his licence than he has for us. The last time we played him as a striker was pre season when he scored a hat trick. Having read loads of your posts about Billy Sharp I understood you counted pre season goals as proper ones. More to the point, he was signed when were in league 1 and has been a loyal servant and played a part in getting us up. He's a decent player who's abilities sadly aren't seen by people who think that the likes of sharp and Chaplow are decent. Oh and he's not on £20k pw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Mulgrew Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 The BBC is now reporting GDP as out for the rest of the season. What a shame: I was hoping that after helping us to successive promotions he would score a goal in the EPL before returning to finish his career in Brazil and that now looks very unlikely. I hope he recovers fully. Also hope that later in the season we do not miss his contribution too much; with the progress some of the non-first-team academy players are making we look as though we can afford to have GDP not appearing for us again. Good luck to him anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 19 goals in 90 appearances for Southampton almost exactly the same rate as 16 goals in 75 in the last three years from Lallana who has just been called up for England.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 November, 2013 Share Posted 8 November, 2013 I think we shall miss him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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