Saint-Armstrong Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 The Telegraph are saying that Luke Shaw is to be called up for the England senior squad, as Hodgson looks to try out some of England's young prospects in the game against Chile before naming his provisional World Cup squad. The Mirror are also reporting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Clyne has performed better so far this season but no doubt Shaw will be an England regular in the not too distant future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Lallana should be in there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 If true it's a travesty. Lallana, Clyne and JWP have a far better right to a call up. Shaw would never be ready to go to Brazil come the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Agree with Art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Hmmm Not sure about this. Read some snips on Twitter from an SRL interview last week that it took him some time to get back into his normal routine after being away with England. Still, on the bright side IF he gets a call up that would be another nail in any reasons for his agent to say he should leave for a bigger club at the end of this season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Bit unfair if Shaw is called up and Clyne and Lallana arent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raynesparksaint Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 I think Clyne is playing catch-up after his poor U-21 tournament in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 I feel Clyne should be closer to a call up based on performances for Saints but if you look at it in the context of the England squad then, rightly or wrongly, Hodgson would say our cover at right back is much stronger with Walker, Johnson, Smalling & Jones around the squad. On the left, there's only Cole & Baines with Shaw probably next in line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 I feel Clyne should be closer to a call up based on performances for Saints but if you look at it in the context of the England squad then' date=' rightly or wrongly, Hodgson would say our cover at right back is much stronger with Walker, Johnson, Smalling & Jones around the squad. On the left, there's only Cole & Baines with Shaw probably next in line.[/quote'] I'd wager Gibbs (when fit) would be ahead of Shaw at the moment, has experience of playing CL football etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony F Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 If we see Woy at St Mary's on Saturday, watching all those named above, might the penny finally drop that English talent isn't only found playing in the reserve teams in Manchester? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai27 Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 If we see Woy at St Mary's on Saturday, watching all those named above, might the penny finally drop that English talent isn't only found playing in the reserve teams in Manchester? I doubt it. Roy and his football put me to sleep. Safe reliable England celebrating a draw in Ukraine. Since when did that become a thing? We're meant to be the plucky underdogs with the whole country behind the team. The fact that Milner is anywhere near that team is seriously concerning. We've got some friendlies coming up. Pick some players with something to prove. Lallana, Ince, Redmond, Clyne. Instead we'll be treated to the likes of Young, Milner and Walker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackanorySFC Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 I doubt it. Roy and his football put me to sleep. Safe reliable England celebrating a draw in Ukraine. Since when did that become a thing? We're meant to be the plucky underdogs with the whole country behind the team. The fact that Milner is anywhere near that team is seriously concerning. We've got some friendlies coming up. Pick some players with something to prove. Lallana, Ince, Redmond, Clyne. Instead we'll be treated to the likes of Young, Milner and Walker... That draw was a superb result. Hodgson has done exactly what is required so far. Agree it's frustrating he's not picked more of our players when Young, Milner, Cleverley etc are around the team, but you can't fault his results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 I doubt it. Roy and his football put me to sleep. I assume you didn't watch either of the last two qualifiers then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Irrespective of the others, if Lallana doesn't get a call up it will be a travesty. He's versatile (perfect for a limited tournament squad), talented, can score goals if needed, young enough that he can be an asset for years to come, and is in the form of his life. He's the sort of game changer England could definitely use. Clyne has tough competition at right back sadly, only time will see if he gets overlooked, Shaw though could replace the ageing Cole, but even he will have competition from Rose and Gibbs in the future. (and possibly even Bertrand if he comes good.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai27 Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 That draw was a superb result. Hodgson has done exactly what is required so far. Agree it's frustrating he's not picked more of our players when Young, Milner, Cleverley etc are around the team, but you can't fault his results. Our opposition has been average at best so far... I agree that he has done exactly what has been required so far, but when we end up facing a team with real quality and get stuffed then we'll have to realise that he is just another poor fool appointed to manage our ailing national team. Any of the top European teams are going to completely dismantle us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 I assume you didn't watch either of the last two qualifiers then? One on Steve that would mean people forming their own opinions rather than the nodding dog to whatever the papers and talksport say routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Our opposition has been average at best so far... I agree that he has done exactly what has been required so far, but when we end up facing a team with real quality and get stuffed then we'll have to realise that he is just another poor fool appointed to manage our ailing national team. Any of the top European teams are going to completely dismantle us. And it's been like that for the last 30 years, Hodgson is doing a good job with what he has available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai27 Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 I assume you didn't watch either of the last two qualifiers then? I watched them both for one reason alone. We looked average against below average sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Ads, Clyne, Shaw should all get a chance based on form this season. Young, english players in a top six team all season. What more do you want? The latter two a fundamental part of the best defense in the EPL and Ads because he is one of the best AM's, certainly of english descent, in the EPL this season. I hope SRL stays in the squad - if he is dropped for this particular squad Id say its curtains for the World Cup - and as I don't think Roy would want to do that at this stage I am reasonably confident he will get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Our opposition has been average at best so far... Never understood this argument. Of course European qualifying is going to pit you against some teams who aren't great but you can only perform against what is in front of you. We pretty much did that in qualifying and Roy delivered exactly what he said he was going to- caution away from home to secure draws and then beating them at home to qualify. Qualifying was nothing other than a complete success. I agree that he has done exactly what has been required so far, but when we end up facing a team with real quality and get stuffed then we'll have to realise that he is just another poor fool appointed to manage our ailing national team If we get well beaten by a top European team it will most likely be due to their players being vastly better than ours rather than the failings of an English manager with a decent pedigree. Any of the top European teams are going to completely dismantle us. But why is that Roy's fault? Even if they do should we just give up now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 I watched them both for one reason alone. We looked average against below average sides. Pretty pathetic response TBH. I thought we looked good (and won) against the opposition in front of us. The objective of qualifying is to finish top of the table and qualify which is exactly what we did but for certain England fans for some reason this isn't enough. Sick of unrealistic and arrogant England fans expecting us to steamroller opponents and saying we are awful even if we win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai27 Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Quote Originally Posted by Jai27 View Post Our opposition has been average at best so far... Never understood this argument. Of course European qualifying is going to pit you against some teams who aren't great but you can only perform against what is in front of you. We pretty much did that in qualifying and Roy delivered exactly what he said he was going to- caution away from home to secure draws and then beating them at home to qualify. Qualifying was nothing other than a complete success. I agree that he has done exactly what has been required so far, but when we end up facing a team with real quality and get stuffed then we'll have to realise that he is just another poor fool appointed to manage our ailing national team If we get well beaten by a top European team it will most likely be due to their players being vastly better than ours rather than the failings of an English manager with a decent pedigree. Any of the top European teams are going to completely dismantle us. But why is that Roy's fault? Even if they do should we just give up now? That's the main point though. We'll get beaten because the players they field are vastly better than ours because we have a manager who sticks with the same group of players who continue to fail on the big stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 I think Adam Shaw and Rickie may get callups. Would be pretty upset for Clyne though who undoubtedly deserves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai27 Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Pretty pathetic response TBH. I thought we looked good (and won) against the opposition in front of us. The objective of qualifying is to finish top of the table and qualify which is exactly what we did but for certain England fans for some reason this isn't enough. Sick of unrealistic and arrogant England fans expecting us to steamroller opponents and saying we are awful even if we win. What's pathetic about giving my opinion? I'd hardly call myself an England 'fan' and I certainly don't expect us to steamroller opponents. I simply think we could do better with a different selection of players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 That's the main point though. We'll get beaten because the players they field are vastly better than ours because we have a manager who sticks with the same group of players who continue to fail on the big stage. We have a manager who picked players to finish top of our qualifying group. Roy doesn't have a massive amount of options but showed bravery with the pick of Townsend and Rickie too and I suspect will look at Shaw and Adam in these friendlies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 What's pathetic about giving my opinion? I'd hardly call myself an England 'fan' and I certainly don't expect us to steamroller opponents. I simply think we could do better with a different selection of players. If you aren't an England fan then why are you posting on this topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 And it's been like that for the last 30 years, Hodgson is doing a good job with what he has available. Hodgson has done a reasonable job with what he's picked... there is certainly more available for him to choose from. Whilst I understand why he's picked the supposed 'tried & trusted' so far (in order to qualify), this squad will be an interesting insight to his mindset. If Shaw is picked whilst omitting Lallana, Ward-Prowse & Clyne then I think it's fair to say that Hodgson is being reactive to the media & public opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 @SouthamptonFC: #SaintsFC trio Jay Rodriguez, Adam Lallana and Rickie Lambert are in the #England squad for friendlies against Chile and Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Hodgson has done a reasonable job with what he's picked... there is certainly more available for him to choose from. Whilst I understand why he's picked the supposed 'tried & trusted' so far (in order to qualify), this squad will be an interesting insight to his mindset. If Shaw is picked whilst omitting Lallana, Ward-Prowse & Clyne then I think it's fair to say that Hodgson is being reactive to the media & public opinion. Are you sure? Saints have been the darlings of the media this season with lots of plaudits from all corners for our play and the amount of English players. Surely if he didn't pick them it'd show he isn't being reactive to the media and public opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 That's the main point though. We'll get beaten because the players they field are vastly better than ours because we have a manager who sticks with the same group of players who continue to fail on the big stage. You look a bit silly withEngland announcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Hmmm Not sure about this. Read some snips on Twitter from an SRL interview last week that it took him some time to get back into his normal routine after being away with England. Still, on the bright side IF he gets a call up that would be another nail in any reasons for his agent to say he should leave for a bigger club at the end of this season.... Think that was also to do with him becoming a father at the same time. Babies don't let you sleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 No Shaw, so I guess the papers aren't infallible after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 @SouthamptonFC: #SaintsFC trio Jay Rodriguez, Adam Lallana and Rickie Lambert are in the #England squad for friendlies against Chile and Germany. Thank god for that now everyone can stop bleating about Hodgson hating saints and only reacting the the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jai27 Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 You look a bit silly withEngland announcement. He's stuck with the same group of players up until now. I'm very happy to be proven wrong with Jay, Adam and Ricky getting a call up Great news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Hodgson has done a reasonable job with what he's picked... there is certainly more available for him to choose from. Whilst I understand why he's picked the supposed 'tried & trusted' so far (in order to qualify), this squad will be an interesting insight to his mindset. If Shaw is picked whilst omitting Lallana, Ward-Prowse & Clyne then I think it's fair to say that Hodgson is being reactive to the media & public opinion. So what have you got today now? Lallana and jay in, the 3 you mention not, is he reacting to the media or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 He's stuck with the same group of players up until now. I'm very happy to be proven wrong with Jay, Adam and Ricky getting a call up Great news. He stuck with the same group of players that helped him win his qualifying group... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Southampton FC @SouthamptonFC James Ward-Prowse and @Luke_shaw3 are in the #EnglandU21s squad for Euro 2015 qualifiers against Finland and San Marino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 It was mutually agreed between Southgate and Hodgson apparently. Hodgson was going to call up shaw, and we'd have had 4 in the squad - but Southgate wanted his best players available for the competitive qualifiers, which is fair enough I guess. Wouldn't expect JWP is far away from a senior call up either. In fact, probably in the same boat as Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 It was mutually agreed between Southgate and Hodgson apparently. Hodgson was going to call up shaw, and we'd have had 4 in the squad - but Southgate wanted his best players available for the competitive qualifiers, which is fair enough I guess. Wouldn't expect JWP is far away from a senior call up either. In fact, probably in the same boat as Shaw. JWP is some way off Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 JWP is some way off Shaw. Not from what I have seen. He is pretty close in terms of quality albeit a different kind of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Not from what I have seen. He is pretty close in terms of quality albeit a different kind of player. Set pieces apart, haven't really seen him impose himself on a game. His main contribution, of late, has been to allow Clyne to bomb on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 (edited) Set pieces apart, haven't really seen him impose himself on a game. His main contribution, of late, has been to allow Clyne to bomb on. His passing ability, reading of the game and workrate put him up there, he cannot just deliver a set piece, he can unlock defences with his composure and passing nous (see Stoke at the weekend.) Will never forget the impact he made at Wigan last year either. Edited 7 November, 2013 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 I'm with Colin on this one, I think JWP is just pure class. Ozzes class with every touch, destined to be a regular international. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Thank god for that now everyone can stop bleating about Hodgson hating saints and only reacting the the media. To be fair, this has come after a couple of weeks of media circus... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 His passing ability, reading of the game and workrate put him up there, he cannot just deliver a set piece, he can unlock defences with his composure and passing nous (see Stoke at the weekend.) Will never forget the impact he made at Wigan last year either. He's shown flashes which will get more consistent with experience and age; but the claim is that he is currently on the same level as Shaw. That's a bit optimistic IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 He's shown flashes which will get more consistent with experience and age; but the claim is that he is currently on the same level as Shaw. That's a bit optimistic IMO. I stand by my judgement. It helps Shaw that he is the undisputed number one left back at the club, gets more time to shine then someone who has to fight for his place in the team in our deepest position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 November, 2013 Share Posted 7 November, 2013 Set pieces apart, haven't really seen him impose himself on a game. His main contribution, of late, has been to allow Clyne to bomb on. Sounds a bit like James Milner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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