Faz Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Thought Rickie looked well off the pace today, shame Osvaldo couldnt play as feel we might have won seriously? Up front on his own against Shawcross and Huth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Stonewall pen against Shawcross late on.. Unlucky not to win this as we were clearly the better quality team even in difficult conditions ! A win v Hull next week and we are really in the top 8 mix ! COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Stonewall pen against Shawcross late on.. Unlucky not to win this as we were clearly the better quality team even in difficult conditions ! A win v Hull next week and we are really in the top 8 mix ! COYS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 seriously? Up front on his own against Shawcross and Huth? His movement would have troubled them. Really weak bench from an attacking perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Pochettino faces a big selection dilemma next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Pochettino faces a big selection dilemma next week. Only in whether to put Osvaldo in. Rest of teams picks itself. Sunderland midweek selection will be interesting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Only in whether to put Osvaldo in. Rest of teams picks itself. Sunderland midweek selection will be interesting though. Nah, much more important. Whether to stick with the lucky tie or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Nah, much more important. Whether to stick with the lucky tie or not. Keep it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 What...... by getting the goalie to smash it in from his own half? Whoosh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Stonewall pen against Shawcross late on.. Unlucky not to win this as we were clearly the better quality team even in difficult conditions ! A win v Hull next week and we are really in the top 8 mix ! COYS Couldn't have said it better. A shame we didn't win but with the injury to Osvaldo we didn't have that many attacking options. We worked hard, played well in patches in very difficult conditions and I don't get how we didn't get that penalty. That is definitely not a natural position of the arm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Whoosh! Don't, apparently he was joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Southampton keeper Artur Boruc: "I don't want to remember it anymore. I blame the wind for that. I'm really sorry for my team-mates and our supporters but what can I say? What happens, happens and I need to bounce back. I promise to get those two points back. "These kinds of things happen to goalkeepers. It has happened before and will happen again. "That's the life of being a goalkeeper, it is not always beautiful. I look forward to the next game." Boruc after the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Don't, apparently he was joking. Yeah - right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWillie Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Only in whether to put Osvaldo in. Rest of teams picks itself. Sunderland midweek selection will be interesting though. Sunderland had two straight reds today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Sunderland had two straight reds today... And still Hull couldn't score a second. My hopes are very high for next Saturday. PS Why do we get so many c.r.a.p Refs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Just got back in. Interesting comments about JWP - I thought his passing in the first half hour was poor. Freak goal, shocking conditions, decent point. Couldn't tell if either were pens, but Saints players were absolutely convinced. Gaston very poor when he came on. MOM for me was Lallana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Just got back in. Interesting comments about JWP - I thought his passing in the first half hour was poor. Freak goal, shocking conditions, decent point. Couldn't tell if either were pens, but Saints players were absolutely convinced. Gaston very poor when he came on. MOM for me was Lallana. the where clyne crossed it would have been harsh had it been given, but you see them givem. the 2nd one was a penalty all day long. simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 1. I'm pretty sure that Foy was the homer POS who gave the penalty against Fox at Newcastle last year for far less than that. 2. That game made it clear, not that it was in much doubt IMO, that Ramirez is talented but far too lightweight and uncommitted for the way we play. I'm amazed that MP put him on the bench for a game at Stoke and even more amazed that he brought him on. A very precise assessment. He will never make it in this team. We would do better to bring someone else through and give a chance to..... Again we lost our dominance when he came on, he just cannot keep possession. I have seen more than enough of him now... On a very positive note the conditions did not suit our game but we played well considering. On a calmer day Stoke would have been swept aside....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Just got back in. Interesting comments about JWP - I thought his passing in the first half hour was poor. Freak goal, shocking conditions, decent point. Couldn't tell if either were pens, but Saints players were absolutely convinced. Gaston very poor when he came on. MOM for me was Lallana. the where clyne crossed it would have been harsh had it been given, but you see them givem. the 2nd one was a penalty all day long. simple as that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Decent point. Wanyama was immense. Lallana was good first half but quieter in the second. Wasn't sure about taking Jrod off for Gaston and didn't feel Gaston did much to impress. Needs to learn to do the simple thing, particularly when on the halfway line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Taking Rodriguez off was a bad move and released two Stoke players he kept occupied. Ramirez was ineffective and a joke. Lallana gave the ball away too often for my liking. Thought Stoke are a changed side from the time under Pullis and were unlucky not to score in the last 10 minutes. We, however, were very unlucky not to be awarded a penalty. A well earned point after a disastrous start with Bergovic's goal. The coming 6 weeks will make or break our season and show what we are made of. Here's hoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 (edited) Duplicate Edited 2 November, 2013 by ART Duplicate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/287383/video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Taking Rodriguez off was a bad move and released two Stoke players he kept occupied. Ramirez was ineffective and a joke. Said this on the match thread and earlier in this thread, was a poor choice as we were dominating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farawaysaint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Not a bad point but I wanted 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 I reckon it's probably fair to say that is draw is a good result IF we beat Hull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 That was fun! Getting fu**ing soaking 500m from the car was not! I absolutely love the football we are playing. Jonesy & the nipper give MOTM to JWP, for me it was VW. He's an absolute beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 We looked rattled after the goal, but regrouped and adapted. Great goal from jrod. Started well 2nd half and were dominating until jrod came off /(or) Gaston came on, seemed odd to change it while we were so on top. Oh well lesson learnt. Could, shoulda and on another day woulda won. Big up waynyama and JWP today, Lovren solid again Boruc Difficult to know how to reply to this. The wind beat the keepers on both occasions. So no I don't blame Boruc at all and JRods goal was equally lucky. Point a fair result. Stoke worked harder than most teams we've faced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 I know we have progressed to another level,but I reckon we can push to another level if we can create more chances,if we had a decent attacking mid/playmaker we really could go places. I have always hoped Gaston would come good but I am starting to get the impression he is not cut out for our style of play,he looked sluggish and poor today,I know coming on in those circumstances would be tough but he was brought on to change the game and swing it our way and if anything we looked less of a threat when he did. JWP is going to be some player,very Beckhamesque in his delivery and if he can keep that up he will win us games with those set pieces,one thing for me that is exciting is that we are such a young squad and we will only get better,if we can keep this group of players together and fend off the interest we will no doubt attract the future at Southampton is looking promising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 We showed character to come back from that freak goal, but from the sounds of it retribution was just, as Begovic was beaten by a freak goal from us too, where both keepers were deceived by bounces affected by the wind. Conditions like that don't favour the more cultured teams like us. Ultimately we can be pleased with the point, as Stoke had their chances to have scored a couple of goals except for a great save by Boruc and a miss by Shawcross which would have been easier to have buried, whereas we also had a similar bad miss and a penalty shout. Our players certainly appealed, but Solent opined that it might have come off the player's knee, which was close to his hand. Seemingly we also appealed to the ref on a few occasions where Stoke employed their usual bully boy tactics with tackles from behind which the referee didn't punish. Tactically, I'm not convinced that Pochettino called it right, bringing off Rodrigues for Ramirez, as following the change Stoke were more threatening and Ramirez added nothing much. I am beginnig to grow more convinced with each passing match that Ramirez just doesn't bring anything extra to the team if he can't play the pressing game that we rely on. Give him a few outings in the Cup matches and see if he produces something positive, otherwise I don't see him getting into our first eleven unless he bucks up his ideas. He is a player that promised so much, but has failed to deliver so far. At least we are a point closer to Chelsea and it is good that two other close rivals play each other tomorrow with Spurs v Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 A decent point, considering the nightmare start, in awful conditions. We were the better team (60% possession and more attempts on goal) and always looked more likely to win I thought. Think today goes to prove Gaston is not the answer to breaking down teams as has been suggested on here. Wouldn't mind trying Victor and Jack as the DM pair and pushing Morgan up pitch as an attacking option rather than Gaston. All in all decent point away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 arsenal away is not going to be nice they are currently tearing liverpool a new one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Back from the game. We did well today. Stoke are very much a team stuck in transition and they will be up and down for the rest of the season. The conditions didn't make for anything hit over 15 yards to be accurate, which given the workrate of both teams meant the game got very congested and messy at times. I felt we were the more refined team, we worked the ball well but the final pass was lacking at times - as it has been at several times this season. I was interested to see the impact Ramirez would make when he came on but his presence just disrupted stuff. We're a powerful team these days and he was not powerful enough in possession and considering the amount of men we commit forward it created a few counters for Stoke at times which felt risky. A decent point away from home and we move onto the next game. Very encouraged by our resiliency and quality, I think we've got a good season ahead of ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Taking Rodriguez off was a bad move and released two Stoke players he kept occupied. Ramirez was ineffective and a joke. Lallana gave the ball away too often for my liking. Thought Stoke are a changed side from the time under Pullis and were unlucky not to score in the last 10 minutes. We, however, were very unlucky not to be awarded a penalty. A well earned point after a disastrous start with Bergovic's goal. The coming 6 weeks will make or break our season and show what we are made of. Here's hoping. You know that, many others do too. BUT, MP brought him on .... WHY ?? It may be obvious to us that he's less than effective, butis it obvious to Pochettino ? I don't think it is Looks like he HAS to play Cortese's £12M waste of space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 You know that, many others do too. BUT, MP brought him on .... WHY ?? It may be obvious to us that he's less than effective, butis it obvious to Pochettino ? I don't think it is Looks like he HAS to play Cortese's £12M waste of space he has to play him so much that he hardly ever plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 he has to play him so much that he hardly ever plays? LOL some absolute loons on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Odd match, we didn't hit our stride fully today, especially in the second half. Still by far the better team and had it not been for that freak goal we should have won. All credit to Stoke for getting into us, it seemed to have the desired effect in the closing stages. The weather conditions interfered so much though, their goal was carried by the wind, yet our equaliser looked certain to be going over until a gust held it in play allowing it to drop into the net. I've never seen four corner flags point in distinctly different directions at the same time. Ward-Prowse was exceptional, Lambert did well leading the line. Jay and Adam looked excellent on the ball. Dejan Lovren deserves praise for being a truly imposing and dynamic presence, even breaking forward to try and keep us moving at times. Our centre midfield was left a little ragged towards the end, quite un-Saintly. I'll take the point from a weird afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 he has to play him so much that he hardly ever plays? And I think he'll play even less after that. MP's a smart cookie and I don't think it will be lost on him that his presence disrupted us far more than it helped us. I'm just shocked that he even dressed him for Stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 And I think he'll play even less after that. MP's a smart cookie and I don't think it will be lost on him that his presence disrupted us far more than it helped us. I'm just shocked that he even dressed him for Stoke. I think he will be gone in jan. On loan somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 You know that, many others do too. BUT, MP brought him on .... WHY ?? It may be obvious to us that he's less than effective, butis it obvious to Pochettino ? I don't think it is Looks like he HAS to play Cortese's £12M waste of space Like i said it really was an odd one, not sure if JRod had taken a knock maybe? Was a mistake and hopefully one we learn from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 arsenal away is not going to be nice they are currently tearing liverpool a new one We've beaten Liverpool away and drawn against United away. Why shouldn't we give Arsenal a fright too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 We've beaten Liverpool away and drawn against United away. Why shouldn't we give Arsenal a fright too? Delldays has talked up every team weve played so far this season..... Have a look at the Stoke build up thread, youd have thought we were playing Barcelona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 We've beaten Liverpool away and drawn against United away. Why shouldn't we give Arsenal a fright too? I think we can but my biggest fear is that Walcott and Podolski will be fit because they can take Clyne and Shaw out of our forward game, which would be vary damaging to us. If those two are still out I fancy us to get something up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 I think we can but my biggest fear is that Walcott and Podolski will be fit because they can take Clyne and Shaw out of our forward game, which would be vary damaging to us. If those two are still out I fancy us to get something up there. Hope they are fit, the Arse will have to take out 2 good players to make room for them Liverpool had nothing in midfield today, wonder how long they can persist with the ageing Gerrard and the legless Leiva. Gives the opponents far too much time and space to manoeuvre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSaint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Hope they are fit, the Arse will have to take out 2 good players to make room for them Liverpool had nothing in midfield today, wonder how long they can persist with the ageing Gerrard and the legless Leiva. Gives the opponents far too much time and space to manoeuvre. Yep, they certainly would have to change a good line up to get Podolski and Walcott in, and I don't think Wenger would do it. But then I think that would give us a chance because our style would prove a much bigger handful for Arsenal than Liverpool's. What I wouldn't give to us getting some scoring from midfielders the way Arse do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 Said this on the match thread and earlier in this thread, was a poor choice as we were dominating. I agree. Ramirez was a decent option, although in the conditions perhaps Lee could have been given a chance. Gaston doesn't really like cold, wind and rain, does he? But JRod was a bigger threat than Rickie - think he should have gone off as we couldn't sacrifice in defence as they still posed a threat and we needed to keep midfield dominance. Thought it showed that the team put I. A massive effort - there were clear signs of tiring by the end. Disappointed that we didn't get the win - might have done if the nailed-on pen had been given, but in the end a decent point and they couldn't score except with a freak 90 yard effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raynesparksaint Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 I was surprised Ramirez came on as it didn't seem like the type of game he would shine, and it proved to be the case.. but he didn't do so bad as to warrant some of the comments on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 I agree. Ramirez was a decent option, although in the conditions perhaps Lee could have been given a chance. Gaston doesn't really like cold, wind and rain, does he? But JRod was a bigger threat than Rickie - think he should have gone off as we couldn't sacrifice in defence as they still posed a threat and we needed to keep midfield dominance. Thought it showed that the team put I. A massive effort - there were clear signs of tiring by the end. Disappointed that we didn't get the win - might have done if the nailed-on pen had been given, but in the end a decent point and they couldn't score except with a freak 90 yard effort. How can you say it was a nailed on pen? No one around me appealed as you simply couldn't see from the away end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 2 November, 2013 Share Posted 2 November, 2013 From the replays I wouldnt say any of our pen shouts were 'definites', more a case of 'seen them given'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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