Quota's, number's and the liberal count

[Barry Sanchez]

If we strive for a liberal society are we being unfair to the demographic of all the people of the United Kingdom? I mean to say White British is what 87% of what this Island's Nation comprises of but do we have that representation in the media, radio, music and papers?

If things are all fair surely we should strive for this?

Its what the liberal elite agenda surely would want, an absolute for all.

[norwaysaint]

What does it all have to revolve around name calling with you? It makes it pointless to engage. Come back when you have the maturity to enter a debate without silly derogatory name calling and snide remarks.

[Barry Sanchez]

What liberal elite? Thats been around for years, it was used in as many words last night on question time, another sign of a liberal is general offence at anything.

[norwaysaint]

I'm not offended, it's just a shame your posts are dominated by name calling. Does it make a difference how long it's been used? I see you couldn't help finish with a snide remark again either. Try entering a discussion without name calling, see if you manage.

[Pugwash]

Wires crossed Bazza?

 

Liberal means general accepting of most things. I think the term you're looking for is bigoted, or 'conservative' if you like.

[Barry Sanchez]

The sign of liberalism being constantly offended or having mock shock indignation at anything they think thats not right or too right so they have to be offended by it for working.

[Barry Sanchez]

Wires crossed Bazza?

 

Liberal means general accepting of most things. I think the term you're looking for is bigoted, or 'conservative' if you like.

 

Would these be the liberals in coalition with the bigoted conservatives?

 

Thats not very liberal is it?

[Barry Sanchez]

Wires crossed Bazza?

 

Liberal means general accepting of most things. I think the term you're looking for is bigoted, or 'conservative' if you like.

 

Liberal would probably be closer to supposed enlightenment Pugwash, if you like.

[Bearsy]

White British is what 87% of what this Island's Nation comprises of but do we have that representation in the media, radio, music and papers?

 

Dunno. Probably. Maybe a bit higher I would of thought.

[Barry Sanchez]

Really? For every 10 people on the radio, tv and papers are 8.7 White British? Top ten charts? The liberals should be outraged.

[norwaysaint]

Liberalism supports freedom of the press, Barry.

 

by the way I think your decision of what liberals are like is quite flawed. I've met many people fundamentally opposed to liberalism who display those characteristics. I'd say the whole righteous indignation thing is something I'd associate with people as far right as the Tea Party more than the average liberal.

 

i think your own prejudices are clouding your judgement. You seem to set yourself up as quite the conservative, which is generally how you come across on here. Is that where you'd place yourself?

[Bearsy]

Really? For every 10 people on the radio, tv and papers are 8.7 White British? Top ten charts? The liberals should be outraged.

 

yeah probably. I don't go round counting black faces but if you added up all the journalists + cameramen + admins + printers or whatever. I mean, I shouldn't be surprised.

[moonraker]

Does this mean you are in favour of PR in elections?

[Barry Sanchez]

Liberalism supports freedom of the press, Barry.

 

by the way I think your decision of what liberals are like is quite flawed. I've met many people fundamentally opposed to liberalism who display those characteristics. I'd say the whole righteous indignation thing is something I'd associate with people as far right as the Tea Party more than the average liberal.

 

i think your own prejudices are clouding your judgement. You seem to set yourself up as quite the conservative, which is generally how you come across on here. Is that where you'd place yourself?

 

Working class hero, thats how I see myself. A person who detests the modern careerist politician who are all the same regardless of party, a liberal elite who dictate to the masses who have no clue about work and the policies they implement as they never have to live with the masses.

The Tea Party are a reactionary party hence their name, they are a popular one at that, not my views, people on here like the politicians think too narrow , you have one view and yet you are put into a box, if only life was that simple.

[Barry Sanchez]

Does this mean you are in favour of PR in elections?

 

101%.

[Sour Mash]

Really? For every 10 people on the radio, tv and papers are 8.7 White British? Top ten charts? The liberals should be outraged.

You're right re. the media.

 

In a different industry, we still see some job apps here that say "We would particularly welcome applicants from XYZ backgrounds", ridiculous to have any kind of quotas.

[Patrick Bateman]

You're right re. the media.

 

In a different industry, we still see some job apps here that say "We would particularly welcome applicants from XYZ backgrounds", ridiculous to have any kind of quotas.

 

I would say that's still a public sector thing though. I don't ever see that sort of line in jobs for what I do, but when I peer in (for instance) the Sunday Times and look at the public sector appointments, it's often mentioned there.

It's not needed, at all.

 

Best person will get the job, simple as that. We no longer live in the 70s (and even 80s) where discrimination was rife and HR slack. I mean god, you can't ask anything personal at all anyway - although most people volunteer that kind of info I've found.

[Barry Sanchez]

Should the English football Leagues have 13% managers from minorities? Same with the senior squad?

[badgerx16]

I would say that's still a public sector thing though. I don't ever see that sort of line in jobs for what I do, but when I peer in (for instance) the Sunday Times and look at the public sector appointments, it's often mentioned there.

It's not needed, at all.

 

With the Public Sector such equality in recruitment is often mandated in that the work force must reflect to the racial demographic of the local population. I think the Police are also encouraged to do this.

[Sour Mash]

With the Public Sector such equality in recruitment is often mandated in that the work force must reflect to the racial demographic of the local population. I think the Police are also encouraged to do this.

Do you agree with that policy?

[badgerx16]

Do you agree with that policy?

 

Personally no, but I have to comply with it. I'm against any form of 'positive discrimination' - I prefer to treat everybody equally from the off and allow the selection process to produce the appropriate outcome in an unbiased way.

[Hamilton Saint]

The sign of liberalism being constantly offended or having mock shock indignation at anything they think thats not right or too right so they have to be offended by it for working.

 

Could you translate that into English?

[Barry Sanchez]

Could you translate that into English?

 

The sign of liberalism being constantly offended or having mock shock indignation at anything they think thats not right or too right so they have to be offended by it for working.

 

There we go.

[Hamilton Saint]

If we strive for a liberal society are we being unfair to the demographic of all the people of the United Kingdom? I mean to say White British is what 87% of what this Island's Nation comprises of but do we have that representation in the media, radio, music and papers?

If things are all fair surely we should strive for this?

Its what the liberal elite agenda surely would want, an absolute for all.

 

It is not about numbers. Equity does not mean everything needs to be equal; it means things should be fair.

[Barry Sanchez]

It is not about numbers. Equity does not mean everything needs to be equal; it means things should be fair.

 

Is it fair, that is the question? Is it right and fair? Is it representitive of our society? I dont think all black people like r&b/urban music but the media largely portray that.

[pap]

The sign of liberalism being constantly offended or having mock shock indignation at anything they think thats not right or too right so they have to be offended by it for working.

 

There we go.

 

Get a dictionary.

[Barry Sanchez]

Get a dictionary.

 

Ah the old grammar/spelling nazi, surprised at you Pap, thought you were the better man/hobbit than that.

[Viking Warrior]

The sign of liberalism being constantly offended or having mock shock indignation at anything they think thats not right or too right so they have to be offended by it for working.

 

Ah so this means some fluffy wuffies throw a hissy fit because they dont like whats on the other side of the fence

 

Got it , who needs a dictionary

[Hamilton Saint]

Ah the old grammar/spelling nazi, surprised at you Pap, thought you were the better man/hobbit than that.

 

He's not being a pedant here about spelling or grammar, I think - although you do add an apostrophe to the words quotas and numbers, which do not require apostrophes - he means thay you don't understand the meaning of the term liberal.

[Barry Sanchez]

The term is very subjective, Winston Churchill was a liberal.

[Hamilton Saint]

Is it fair, that is the question? Is it right and fair? Is it representitive of our society? I dont think all black people like r&b/urban music but the media largely portray that.

 

You seem a bit confused. You ask, "is it fair?" and "is it right?" - as though it was a philosophical issue (which it is). But then you talk about "quotas", "numbers", "87%", and things being "representative".

 

So, is fairness based on a principle, or is it based on numbers? You seem to lean towards a quantitative answer, rather than a qualitative answer.

 

To repeat: equity doesn't mean everything being equal (quantitative); it means things being fair (qualitative).

[Jonnyboy]

If we strive for a liberal society are we being unfair to the demographic of all the people of the United Kingdom? I mean to say White British is what 87% of what this Island's Nation comprises of but do we have that representation in the media, radio, music and papers?

If things are all fair surely we should strive for this?

Its what the liberal elite agenda surely would want, an absolute for all.

 

Its silly threads like these that will have people thinking you are dune.

[Hamilton Saint]

The term is very subjective, Winston Churchill was a liberal.

 

To be liberal is to be ample, open-minded, magnanimous, generous and non-bigoted. A stauch conservative in policy can still be liberal-minded.

 

You, I would say, based on the things you post on here, are not liberal.

[Barry Sanchez]

On the principle of equality is it fair?

[Barry Sanchez]

To be liberal is to be ample, open-minded, magnanimous, generous and non-bigoted. A stauch conservative in policy can still be liberal-minded.

 

You, I would say, based on the things you post on here, are not liberal.

 

But Winston Chruchill was ha ha legend!

[Barry Sanchez]

Its silly threads like these that will have people thinking you are dune.

 

They can think all they want, they would be incorrect, it's a very valid question.

[Jonnyboy]

But Winston Chruchill was ha ha legend!

 

Don't start your unemployed drinking at lunchtime folks.

[Barry Sanchez]

Don't start your unemployed drinking at lunchtime folks.

 

Classy, insightful and alas total ****.