Y41den Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2479302/Galatasary-keen-Southamptons-Gaston-Ramirez.html All depends on what we would get for him, but as we don't need the cash i don't think its worth loosing money on him just to free space/wages... Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 Depends if he's going to be involved or not. Some suggestions are that he's working hard to fit in with Poch's plans after missing a lot of pre season, but he may just not want to be here. If he doesn't then get rid for £10m odd. Would still like him to stay and prove himself though - got some unbelievable talent. Cue Glasgow, Alpine and Barry calling him Gashton and sh1t...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 He's only 22, there's a lot of life in him yet. But whatever his talent, he's failed to show it on a regular basis for Southampton, which for the money we spent on him, is poor. I'm one of the party that desperately wants to see him prove us all wrong and suddenly come good and take the league by storm, but I can't see it, with Pochettino preferring the likes of Davis, JRod, JWP, Lallana, Guly or even 2 strikers over him, it seems his days are numbered. I agree with the £10 million figure IF it means we go out and sign a quality replacement for him immediately. In my mind we're already 1 creative midfielder short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 (edited) He keeps being linked to big European clubs, does that not suggest to some of his critics he may possibly not be as bad as they like to make out? Yes, he has been frustratingly inconsistent for Saints, but you can see he has the makings of a top, top player. I really can't see Cortese selling him at a loss just over a year into a 4 year deal. Edited 30 October, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 He has not played enough games in a row to be written off aged 22. I know that is unpopular with those that have decided he is rubbish lazy unfit and had enough time now to impose himself in training to show he should start etc but unlike our other young players he has not had the benefit of attending saints academy, playing this kind of football and so on. Hes been playing in Italy. Slow slow quick quick slow. With us its fast fast faster faster fast. Clearly Guly was preferred to him as a substitute versus Fulham. We can all guess at the reason why - for me Guly has got more of the diligent worker about him than Ramirez, he is bigger stronger and faster. Not more skilful though, and in the latter stages of matches maybe what MOPO wants from his subs is workrate first and foremost in that situation. If we were losing i think he would have come on though. If we released GR then we need to replace him immediately with higher quality and some. So its not a money saving exercise. I would hope we would persevere this season. Fingers crossed he plays well versus Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 Depends if he's going to be involved or not. Some suggestions are that he's working hard to fit in with Poch's plans after missing a lot of pre season, but he may just not want to be here. If he doesn't then get rid for £10m odd. Would still like him to stay and prove himself though - got some unbelievable talent. Cue Glasgow, Alpine and Barry calling him Gashton and sh1t...! No the Gash has read this and is hurt by all the criticism and has told Cortese he is off..................... Delusion abounds and knows no boundaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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labibs Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 If he went in January, I would fully expect it to be on a loan until the end of the season, probably with all of his wages covered and a decent loan fee attached. Would suit both parties (assuming we were able to get in a suitable replacement either on a permanent deal or on loan with an option to buy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 He keeps being linked to big European clubs, does that not suggest to some of his critics he may possibly not be as bad as they like to make out? Yes, he has been frustratingly inconsistent for Saints, but you can see he has the makings of a top, top player. I really can't see Cortese selling him at a loss just over a year into a 4 year deal. Being sold in January would be well into his 4 year contract; Cortese won't allow his contract to be run down too much without either extending it or moving him on. A decision will be made in the summer I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 He keeps being linked to big European clubs, does that not suggest to some of his critics he may possibly not be as bad as they like to make out? Yes, he has been frustratingly inconsistent for Saints, but you can see he has the makings of a top, top player. I really can't see Cortese selling him at a loss just over a year into a 4 year deal. I can't. He's had 2 maybe 3 decent games for us. That does not suggest to me he has the makings of a top, top player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 At the moment,if he left tomorrow he wouldn't be missed,he has done very little to justify the hype and price tag surrounding him but that is not his fault,he needs to work harder to fit into the way the manager wants the team to play because at the moment there are 1 or 2 other players in front of him who are doing it better and getting a regular game. I hear a lot of people say he's obviously got talent but overall I havnt really witnessed anything special. Overall he hasn't impressed me,but it's not me he's got to impress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 He keeps being linked to big European clubs, does that not suggest to some of his critics he may possibly not be as bad as they like to make out? Yes, he has been frustratingly inconsistent for Saints, but you can see he has the makings of a top, top player. I really can't see Cortese selling him at a loss just over a year into a 4 year deal. He's not just inconsistent, he's incredibly inconsistent. Most games he'll make a couple of nice passes or touches but then be absent for the other 89 minutes (or 59 minutes more aptly). I've seen him have a couple of barnstorming games for us, but I saw Lee Barnard and Marek Saganowski have some amazing games too. He is 22 so should be given a bit of benefit of doubt, but I can't see him "making it" with us. Maybe the Turkish league will be a better fit for him, although god knows he'd get the living sh!t kicked out of him every match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 I'm not sure anyone will bid the amount that we would be looking for to cut our losses at this stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Lion Tamer Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 He keeps being linked to big European clubs, does that not suggest to some of his critics he may possibly not be as bad as they like to make out? Yes, he has been frustratingly inconsistent for Saints, but you can see he has the makings of a top, top player. I really can't see Cortese selling him at a loss just over a year into a 4 year deal. Can he take the pace of the Premier League though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 Depends if he's going to be involved or not. Some suggestions are that he's working hard to fit in with Poch's plans after missing a lot of pre season, but he may just not want to be here. If he doesn't then get rid for £10m odd. Would still like him to stay and prove himself though - got some unbelievable talent. Cue Glasgow, Alpine and Barry calling him Gashton and sh1t...! No club is going to offer £10m for Ramirez. He isn't worth that and we overspent by about £6m when signing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restark19 Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 Want to see him come good but not too arsed if he does go tbh, would take £8 million for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 What evidence is there is has the makings of a top top player? I haven't seen feck all to suggest he is anything other than a lightweight prima donna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 I am busy awaiting Sunderland, that bastion of formidable top-quality football that would make the back-room at Bayern Munich green with envy, next Wednesday when the flat-track bully comes out, makes a couple of nice touches, scores a pretty goal, and this place becomes the internet equivalent of a bukkake victim...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanW Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 Two or three unlucky injuries and he's starting for us. Isn't that enough reason to keep him around? The 12 million is money already spent. Let's make do with what we have and not keep harping on about what we did over a year ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 What evidence is there is has the makings of a top top player? I haven't seen feck all to suggest he is anything other than a lightweight prima donna He's scored goals, created goals and played generally well when given a run of games under Adkins. Comments like yours are way OTT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 We should keep him - he could be a great asset for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 He will be sold for an "undisclosed" fee, circa 4-5 million I suspect £10 million completely ****ed down the drain! And to think at the same time we were linked with Michu at £2 million Gutted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 He will be sold for an "undisclosed" fee, circa 4-5 million I suspect £10 million completely ****ed down the drain! And to think at the same time we were linked with Michu at £2 million Gutted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynoldson!! Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 I am busy awaiting Sunderland, that bastion of formidable top-quality football that would make the back-room at Bayern Munich green with envy, next Wednesday when the flat-track bully comes out, makes a couple of nice touches, scores a pretty goal, and this place becomes the internet equivalent of a bukkake victim...... haha, be careful talking like that. People might think start suspecting that you want him to do badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 31 October, 2013 Share Posted 31 October, 2013 I like Gaston and think he has real talent.....but he just does not suit this league at all and has been given over a year to settle down and show his worth. I totally trust our management and if MoPo is not playing him then its because the rest of the squad have knuckled down, upped their game and are willing and more importantly believe and want to play for MoPo. I have no doubt that if he goes back to Italy or somewhere else in Europe he will be a big hit where the game is not so fast and physical. He is on very high wages and i would rather we sold him for a few million less than we paid for him rather than we carry on paying huge wages for a player that will hardly feature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 31 October, 2013 Share Posted 31 October, 2013 I am busy awaiting Sunderland, that bastion of formidable top-quality football that would make the back-room at Bayern Munich green with envy, next Wednesday when the flat-track bully comes out, makes a couple of nice touches, scores a pretty goal, and this place becomes the internet equivalent of a bukkake victim...... Ah because Sunderland away is the game for flat track bullies? The team who already drew at St Marys this season, and now have a better manager - and a bit of momentum having just won a derby game...It won't be easy whatever team we put out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 31 October, 2013 Share Posted 31 October, 2013 He just doesn't suit our pressing game or the physical nature of the EPL and i'd rather see players like Davies and JWP ahead of him unless its cup games or were 4-0 up Sell him, get 10m and buy Tom Ince. Simples Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 31 October, 2013 Share Posted 31 October, 2013 I'm in the "would love him to come good, but would take the money and get a replacement in if not good by summer, camp" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 31 October, 2013 Share Posted 31 October, 2013 I'm in the "would love him to come good, but would take the money and get a replacement in if not good by summer, camp" Agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 He was poor again on Sat, we actually looked worse when he came on, id have rather seen Guly He's well behind Lallana, JWP, J-Rod and Davis for a spot in that AM three I think its odds on he goes out on loan in Jan, perhaps we could get Zaha on loan or De Bruyne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studentsaint Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 I thought he looked quite good Saturday. Good run forward past a couple of players before he was fouled and a great run (wrongly given offside) almost getting the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 Thought he was OK on Saturday, caused them a few problems and picked up a few free kicks in good areas. If any game isn't for him its Stoke away in that weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 He did look OK on Saturday, I want to see him start, be involved from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 (edited) He is perhaps better suited to us now than some might think. Yes we press a lot more and that side of it doesnt suit him, however we also tend to have a lot more posession in matches these days, usually more than our opponents even at places like old Trafford so we aren't on the defensive like we were so much last season in away games. With this poession though we dont seem to create an awful lot of chances so perhap we are looking for someone like him to be able to offer that spark of creativity, although i cant see him being able to do this whilst Lambert is our lone striker as he simply doesn't have the movement and runing off the ball to link up well with Ramirez, so maybe a fit Ramirez and Osvaldo are the key here. The question mark has to be over his fitness and work rate, he barley finished a game last season under Adkins and was usually looking knackered after an hour, unless he is working hard on his stamina in the gym then i struggle to see how he'll cope when so much more is being asked of him physically. Edited 4 November, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 He was poor again on Sat, we actually looked worse when he came on, id have rather seen Guly He's well behind Lallana, JWP, J-Rod and Davis for a spot in that AM three I think its odds on he goes out on loan in Jan, perhaps we could get Zaha on loan or De Bruyne? Don't give up the day job, Joe. Football management might not be for you....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 We'd have to be nuts to sell him in the next 18 months. If Uruguay don't make the World Cup then he'll have a full pre-season with us next season, which he hasn't had so far. If Uruguay do make the World Cup he'll be busting a gut to play as much as possible and almost no matter what happens at the World Cup his value will go up compared to whatever he's worth prior to the World Cup and he'll be higher profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 Key thing he needs to sharpen up on is his ball retention when challenged, and awareness of players around him. On Saturday he didn't get much of a chance to show what he can do with the ball because too many times he was caught in possession. It seems to be a combination of thinking he has more time on the ball than he actually has, and not being aware enough of those around him. It's difficult therefore to judge his creativity when he didn't have many opportunities to do something with the ball because he was losing it too cheaply. It's fair to say that coming off the bench it can be harder to get up to the speed of the match, but if he's going to get a chance to start, he has to start showing something from the bench. I still think he has a lot to offer, but he will never do himself justice until he protects the ball better or uses it more quickly before he is closed down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 He is perhaps better suited to us now than some might think. Yes we press a lot more and that side of it doesnt suit him, however we also tend to have a lot more posession in matches these days, usually more than our opponents even at places like old Trafford so we aren't on the defensive like we were so much last season in away games. With this poession though we dont seem to create an awful lot of chances so perhap we are looking for someone like him to be able to offer that spark of creativity, although i cant see him being able to do this whilst Lambert is our lone striker as he simply doesn't have the movement and runing off the ball to link up well with Ramirez, so maybe a fit Ramirez and Osvaldo are the key here. The question mark has to be over his fitness and work rate, he barley finished a game last season under Adkins and was usually looking knackered after an hour, unless he is working hard on his stamina in the gym then i struggle to see how he'll cope when so much more is being asked of him physically. Got to remember that he had that bad thigh muscle injury this time last year which would have set back his fitness considerably. I reckon that, together with adjusting to the pace of a much faster league, was why he rarely lasted the full 90 last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 We'd have to be nuts to sell him in the next 18 months. If Uruguay don't make the World Cup then he'll have a full pre-season with us next season, which he hasn't had so far. If Uruguay do make the World Cup he'll be busting a gut to play as much as possible and almost no matter what happens at the World Cup his value will go up compared to whatever he's worth prior to the World Cup and he'll be higher profile. This is getting desperate (well to be honest its always has been as far as the Gash is concerned) now, he plays **** for 2 seasons but we keep him as Uruguay fail to qualify for the World Cup and he possibly may play well in his 3rd season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 All the best players take 3 seasons to show potential..... Just be patient He might just turn good as his contract expires Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 This is getting desperate (well to be honest its always has been as far as the Gash is concerned) now, he plays **** for 2 seasons but we keep him as Uruguay fail to qualify for the World Cup and he possibly may play well in his 3rd season. Uh oh, another classic Sanchez meltdown is on the way, brace yourselves. PMSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 Uh oh, another classic Sanchez meltdown is on the way, brace yourselves. PMSL. Its you who should brace yourself as you have just pis sed yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 He is perhaps better suited to us now than some might think. Yes we press a lot more and that side of it doesnt suit him, however we also tend to have a lot more posession in matches these days, usually more than our opponents even at places like old Trafford so we aren't on the defensive like we were so much last season in away games. With this poession though we dont seem to create an awful lot of chances so perhap we are looking for someone like him to be able to offer that spark of creativity, although i cant see him being able to do this whilst Lambert is our lone striker as he simply doesn't have the movement and runing off the ball to link up well with Ramirez, so maybe a fit Ramirez and Osvaldo are the key here. The question mark has to be over his fitness and work rate, he barley finished a game last season under Adkins and was usually looking knackered after an hour, unless he is working hard on his stamina in the gym then i struggle to see how he'll cope when so much more is being asked of him physically. Think the question mark is more over his ball retention than anything else, not sure MP feels he can trust him in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 Another signing that,s up there with the " Tin man" , our record with " latin " players over the years is abysmal. Hope Osvaldo is not added to the list, but I wont hold my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 The only way we'll get decent money for him is by sending a brown paper bag full of cash via sandbanks. No proper football manager is going to pay anything like 10mil for him. He's been a huge disappointment and is actually getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 4 November, 2013 Share Posted 4 November, 2013 He's clearly an exceptional talent, but maybe he just can't settle or adapt to our style of play. It happens. I'm not writing him off yet, but the clock is ticking. If we were to end up writing off £2m or £3m in January and investing in a new £12m player, I can't say I'd be gutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 5 November, 2013 Share Posted 5 November, 2013 The only way we'll get decent money for him is by sending a brown paper bag full of cash via sandbanks. No proper football manager is going to pay anything like 10mil for him. He's been a huge disappointment and is actually getting worse. Do you know that is right - he is actually getting steadily worse and worse..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2013 Share Posted 5 November, 2013 Do you know that is right - he is actually getting steadily worse and worse..... Tbf he hasn't really played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 5 November, 2013 Share Posted 5 November, 2013 Key thing he needs to sharpen up on is his ball retention when challenged, and awareness of players around him. On Saturday he didn't get much of a chance to show what he can do with the ball because too many times he was caught in possession. It seems to be a combination of thinking he has more time on the ball than he actually has, and not being aware enough of those around him. It's difficult therefore to judge his creativity when he didn't have many opportunities to do something with the ball because he was losing it too cheaply. It's fair to say that coming off the bench it can be harder to get up to the speed of the match, but if he's going to get a chance to start, he has to start showing something from the bench. I still think he has a lot to offer, but he will never do himself justice until he protects the ball better or uses it more quickly before he is closed down. This is a very fair summary Minty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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