JPTCount Posted 29 October, 2013 Share Posted 29 October, 2013 Talking football with a couple of colleagues yesterday, the point was raised about how young our squad is, and actually working it out, providing we keep hold of our academy players, leaves for very, very positive future. Without buying anyone else, going against the trend if buying one or two superstars each summer, here is a possible line up 5 years from now. Boruc - 38 Clyne - 27 Shaw - 23 Lovren - 29 Yoshida - 30 Spiderman - 29 Wanyama - 27 JWP - 23 Lallana - 30 Gaston - 27 J Rod - 29 This isn't specifically sating where will be in 5 years, but more of the potential this group of players has over the next 5 years. Boruc seems to have a new lease of life, so who knows how long it could last, and Gazza will still only be 26. Also, Chambers is untested at CB, so have put yoshi in there instead, but another young option. To quote Holloway, we are definitely an orange club, the future's bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 29 October, 2013 Share Posted 29 October, 2013 me i will be 65 so to old to make squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 29 October, 2013 Share Posted 29 October, 2013 In 5 years time I will be stood in the away end at the Nou Camp cheering on Saints in the champions league final! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the colonel Posted 29 October, 2013 Share Posted 29 October, 2013 dead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 29 October, 2013 Share Posted 29 October, 2013 Sitting on a beach earning 20%. * contingent on a certain operation in Nakatomi Plaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 29 October, 2013 Share Posted 29 October, 2013 When not following Saints, I will probably take in a P#mpey match in the local leagues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrich van Gobbel Posted 29 October, 2013 Share Posted 29 October, 2013 33 years old watching Saints play in our 80,000 seater super stadium in the intergalactic champions league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 me i will be 65 so to old to make squad Same as Mike, we might make the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks Saint Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 Will be in Never never land Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 (edited) Sitting on a beach earning 20%. * contingent on a certain operation in Nakatomi Plaza. Welcome to the Party, pal... To answer the original OP, if we keep that team together (even Boruc is not necessarily over the hill as a GK at 38 ), and it keeps developing at its current rate, plus three or four juidicious additions via transfer or the Academy, we could be a dominant force in European football. Seriously. Edited 30 October, 2013 by alpine_saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 As optimisitc as i am about our future i cant help but look at Villa under O'Neill a few years back. Spent a fair bit of money and built a good young team, 3 succesive 6th placed finishes then suddenly all the big boys were sniffing round their best players, most of which left, O'Neill quit and they started to decline. Inevitably the tops clubs willl look at our players so I guess to key here is to make sure if and when they do go we have adequate replacements in place already. This is the way we may need to do things..... http://swissramble.blogspot.de/2010/10/trade-secrets-behind-lyons-rise.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 In five years time I'll have just turned 38, though God knows what I'll be doing, as in that time I aim to start a family, buy my first house, and become a millionaire. (The first two are achievable...) What the OP's team shows is where we need the signings in the future. We'll need a new top class goalkeeper before long, another top young centre back, one or even two top attacking midfielders and a new striker. And that's before we consider losing the likes of Shaw or Morgan. Keep the core together, really fight to keep the best players, and the majority of our team could be together for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 As optimisitc as i am about our future i cant help but look at Villa under O'Neill a few years back. Spent a fair bit of money and built a good young team, 3 succesive 6th placed finishes then suddenly all the big boys were sniffing round their best players, most of which left, O'Neill quit and they started to decline. Inevitably the tops clubs willl look at our players so I guess to key here is to make sure if and when they do go we have adequate replacements in place already. This is the way we may need to do things..... http://swissramble.blogspot.de/2010/10/trade-secrets-behind-lyons-rise.html The issue with the Lyon method is the teams they were selling their star players too, aren't in the same league as them, thus allowing them to maintain a high leugue position. The issue we'd probably have is our players would be getting picked off by our rivals in the league I.e Chelsea Arsenal and so on (if the champions leugue aim is true that is) not just foreign clubs. Especially as a number of our better players are English, and if it's not then we're just strengthening them further and making it even harder to progress in the leugue ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 As optimisitc as i am about our future i cant help but look at Villa under O'Neill a few years back. Spent a fair bit of money and built a good young team, 3 succesive 6th placed finishes then suddenly all the big boys were sniffing round their best players, most of which left, O'Neill quit and they started to decline. Inevitably the tops clubs willl look at our players so I guess to key here is to make sure if and when they do go we have adequate replacements in place already. This is the way we may need to do things..... http://swissramble.blogspot.de/2010/10/trade-secrets-behind-lyons-rise.html The issue with the Lyon method is the teams they were selling their star players too, aren't in the same league as them, thus allowing them to maintain a high leugue position. The issue we'd probably have is our players would be getting picked off by our rivals in the league I.e Chelsea Arsenal and so on (if the champions leugue aim is true that is) not just foreign clubs. Especially as a number of our better players are English, and if it's not then we're just strengthening them further and making it even harder to progress in the leugue ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 30 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 30 October, 2013 As optimisitc as i am about our future i cant help but look at Villa under O'Neill a few years back. Spent a fair bit of money and built a good young team, 3 succesive 6th placed finishes then suddenly all the big boys were sniffing round their best players, most of which left, O'Neill quit and they started to decline. Inevitably the tops clubs willl look at our players so I guess to key here is to make sure if and when they do go we have adequate replacements in place already. This is the way we may need to do things..... http://swissramble.blogspot.de/2010/10/trade-secrets-behind-lyons-rise.html David O'Leary Ireland May 2003 July 2006 35.88 % win ratio Martin O'Neill N. Ireland August 2006 August 2010 42.11% win ratio Gérard Houllier France September 2010 June 2011 38.89% win ratio Alex McLeish Scotland June 2011 May 2012 21.43% win ratio Paul Lambert Scotland June 2012 Present 36.36 % win ratio looks like hiring a manager who just got a (rival) club relegated is the downfall in the system, let's make sure we don't do that. the lyon system would never work in this league, as sstated if you sell to clubs outside your league they can't finish above you. also, the french do not have a history of any one, or two, or three club(s) dominating. when lyon started their rise the most famous french team, st etienne, were in the 2nd division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 (edited) Welcome to the Party, pal... To answer the original OP, if we keep that team together (even Boruc is not necessarily over the hill as a GK at 38 ), and it keeps developing at its current rate, plus three or four juidicious additions via transfer or the Academy, we could be a dominant force in European football. Seriously. Welcome to the party pal...... As per saints, I sort of agree with Alps, if we keep the vultures from our door regards our top young talent we could be looking at top 6 finishes and hopefully trying to break into the top 4, hopefully we'll have some silverwear behind us too. It really is a great time to be a saints fan right now. Me ? I expect Id have my own company by then pimping out power grid resilience ideas. Edited 30 October, 2013 by Smirking_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 Who knows where Saints will be? If you look at our progression from 5 years ago compared to now I think we'll have good times. It's what they will be that is the big question Personally if all goes to plan, I'll be coming up 61 and retired from teaching. I still fully expect to be involved in working with young people and trying out some of the mythical cols in the Alps and Pyrenees on my bike. I have no intention of pandering to age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 Probably dead or close to it any one wanting all my saints memorabilia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazlo78 Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 Probably dead or close to it any one wanting all my saints memorabilia? I call dibs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 (edited) The issue with the Lyon method is the teams they were selling their star players too, aren't in the same league as them, thus allowing them to maintain a high leugue position. The issue we'd probably have is our players would be getting picked off by our rivals in the league I.e Chelsea Arsenal and so on (if the champions leugue aim is true that is) not just foreign clubs. Especially as a number of our better players are English, and if it's not then we're just strengthening them further and making it even harder to progress in the leugue ourselves. But the Lyon method is that you sell if you get an offer more than the player is worth. If we had an adequate replacement for Clyne for example and that man in Chambers and Chelsea offer £18m for Clyne then it makes sense to sell him and use that money to buy another player to improve the squad as well as having his replacement in situ. I don't think it's necessary relevant who we sell to but to make sure we have that replacement already in place and then spend the money we get wisely on another quality addition. That way we get 2 good players replacing one good one and the side is actually stronger as a result. I can't see another way for a club like us, it works for Lyon and it works for Dortmund. No one has seriously tried it in England so there is only one way of finding out. The other option is to spend spend spend and gamble the clubs future on chasing the dream, none of us want to see that. We have to accept that our very best player will move on and when they do what better way to move forward than how Lyon have done it? Edited 30 October, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 30 October, 2013 Share Posted 30 October, 2013 But the Lyon method is that you sell if you get an offer more than the player is worth. If we had an adequate replacement for Clyne for example and that man in Chambers and Chelsea offer £18m for Clyne then it makes sense to sell him and use that money to buy another player to improve the squad as well as having his replacement in situ. I don't think it's necessary relevant who we sell to but to make sure we have that replacement already in place and then spend the money we get wisely on another quality addition. That way we get 2 good players replacing one good one and the side is actually stronger as a result. I can't see another way for a club like us, it works for Lyon and it works for Dortmund. Works for lots of clubs, especially in Portugal, Holland, Germany, medium sized Spanish clubs. Best way to make us financially sustainable, just not easy to keep getting it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 31 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2013 But the Lyon method is that you sell if you get an offer more than the player is worth. If we had an adequate replacement for Clyne for example and that man in Chambers and Chelsea offer £18m for Clyne then it makes sense to sell him and use that money to buy another player to improve the squad as well as having his replacement in situ. I don't think it's necessary relevant who we sell to but to make sure we have that replacement already in place and then spend the money we get wisely on another quality addition. That way we get 2 good players replacing one good one and the side is actually stronger as a result. I can't see another way for a club like us, it works for Lyon and it works for Dortmund. No one has seriously tried it in England so there is only one way of finding out. The other option is to spend spend spend and gamble the clubs future on chasing the dream, none of us want to see that. We have to accept that our very best player will move on and when they do what better way to move forward than how Lyon have done it? Sounds pretty similar to Lowe's running... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPTCount Posted 31 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2013 But the Lyon method is that you sell if you get an offer more than the player is worth. If we had an adequate replacement for Clyne for example and that man in Chambers and Chelsea offer £18m for Clyne then it makes sense to sell him and use that money to buy another player to improve the squad as well as having his replacement in situ. I don't think it's necessary relevant who we sell to but to make sure we have that replacement already in place and then spend the money we get wisely on another quality addition. That way we get 2 good players replacing one good one and the side is actually stronger as a result. I can't see another way for a club like us, it works for Lyon and it works for Dortmund. No one has seriously tried it in England so there is only one way of finding out. The other option is to spend spend spend and gamble the clubs future on chasing the dream, none of us want to see that. We have to accept that our very best player will move on and when they do what better way to move forward than how Lyon have done it? Sounds pretty similar to Lowe's running... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans gruber Posted 31 October, 2013 Share Posted 31 October, 2013 Sitting on a beach earning 20%. * contingent on a certain operation in Nakatomi Plaza. Erm Thats my line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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