Mr X Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 It seems even guly is considered a better impact substitute than Gaston I know we had already tied up the game but surely it was a chance for Gaston to get a run out? Am convinced there is something in the media story's that mp can't stand Gaston and he only made the bench Because of injuries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 I can understand the sub today. Perhaps Ramirez would have got on if we were chasing the game. Ramirez doesn't offer much defensively Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 26 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 October, 2013 I don't think we will see him on the pitch again to be honest the way things are going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Ramirez will be on his way in Jan or next summer. Can't believe he wasn't given 20mins or so today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 I hear that Ramirez has upped his workrate on training ground last week and there's been a truce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Would have been a different story if we were chasing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 26 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 October, 2013 I hear that Ramirez has upped his workrate on training ground last week and there's been a truce. Sarcasm? Or strange but true? Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Sarcasm? Or strange but true? Haha No truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 26 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 October, 2013 No truth. Sauce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsk Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 No truth. 'No truth' or 'No, truth'? Punctuation is everything in written communication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Something I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 26 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Something I've heard. Something you've heard becomes "the Truth" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Isnt it ironic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 The choice simply wasn't there. We wanted someone who could keep the play moving without losing possession. Guly is perfect for that strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Would have been a different story if we were chasing the game. Surely if he's going to be significantly involved for us this season he needs as much game time as possible under his belt. 30mins of the 2nd half would have been ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Surely if he's going to be significantly involved for us this season he needs as much game time as possible under his belt. 30mins of the 2nd half would have been ideal. Fulham had a fair bit of possession late in the second half, we needed to keep it solid rather than taking risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Fulham had a fair bit of possession late in the second half, we needed to keep it solid rather than taking risks. Behave, they wouldn't have scored if they were still playing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Gaston is obviously not fancied by Poch, I wouldn't be surprised if we flogged him in Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Behave, they wouldn't have scored if they were still playing now. Not saying they would have, but bringing on someone who takes risks and gives the ball away quite a lot wouldn't have helped IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Not saying they would have, but bringing on someone who takes risks and gives the ball away quite a lot wouldn't have helped IMO. I disagree, as I said on the match thread, our back 7 were so dominant I don't think it would have made any difference. To me its pretty evident poch doesn't fancy him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Surely if he's going to be significantly involved for us this season he needs as much game time as possible under his belt. 30mins of the 2nd half would have been ideal. He's got midweek for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Behave, they wouldn't have scored if they were still playing now. Exactly. Will not get a better "risk free" opportunity to give him a run out this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 He's got midweek for that. In training? Needs more than just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 In training? Needs more than just that. The week after in the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Guly has been a Poch close-out sub in the past, hasn't he (Chelsea last season rings a bell)? With 12+ mins left and no need of a goal, he's tall and hard-working, so I can understand choosing him over a specialist no. 10 like Gaston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 It was a good substitution. Guly does offer decent protection for, and work well with, Luke Shaw. Luke was tired and making the odd wayward pass. Rodriguez was shattered, so the substitution with Guly seemed very sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 26 October, 2013 Share Posted 26 October, 2013 Perhaps Mr X you should have said Guly and Cork prefered, why single out Guly? I don't see why people have to keep knocking Guly, if it still goes back to that pompey game then give it a rest! Perhaps Guly puts in more effort and shows more commitment in training than Gaston, and deserves a chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 Guly has Fantastic work rate that's who he was used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 Guly has Fantastic work rate that's who he was used You are exaggerating. I'm not minded to call him lazy, I never have said that, but to suggests he puts himself about like some hyped up teenager on speed bares no relationship to the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giordano Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 Guly has been a Poch close-out sub in the past, hasn't he (Chelsea last season rings a bell)? With 12+ mins left and no need of a goal, he's tall and hard-working, so I can understand choosing him over a specialist no. 10 like Gaston. Exactly.- succinct and totally spot on. If you want a stick to beat GR with then its better to use his performances. A non appearance is clutching at straws though. Guly got on NOT because GR is hated and is rubbish. It's because our manager is shrewd. No EPL is ever a given three points so in that situation it was the best tactical substitution to make. If we were losing the subs might have been different. Second half was mostly about professionally controlling the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 The world has spun on its head. We are in the top 3 and Guly has fantastic work rate. What next? Pompey will be giving money to charities and Turks will be telling us we need a bigger stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 I think we have to trust the managers judgement as his judgement is gold at the moment. Gaston has produced very little in most games I have watched him and I suspect that this carries on in training sessions,the boy needs to realise that he is being paid a lot of money to perform and to put in the hours on the training pitch to put himself in contention of a place in the match day squad,if he isn't doing that then he deserves to be left out,if he is doing it then there is obviously some other problems going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 Some people (MLT was one) aren't known as the best-trained players in the game, but can hold down a place due to their skill, vision and individual contribution to games. (MLT again). Both Gaston, (and to some extent Osvaldo) made their names in Italy, where the game is played in vastly different conditions and where the style of play is quite different from the Prem. Although Italy has it's " tough guys ", the physicality of the Prem. seems to be something that some players find it hard to adapt to, and haven't shown that same input (so far). I'm not convinced that either of the above cannot make their way in the Prem. but seeing the type of style that MP is playing it's difficult to see that either of them can become a regular name at the moment, especially considering the form of others in the line-up at present. Time will tell, but somewhere along the line serious decisions (soon) will have to be made - if they are to maintain their " market value " in the game, and their contribution to the club's success. Something I'm sure that NC is acutely aware of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 Will Ramirez even make the 18 next Saturday if everyone else is fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 The world has spun on its head. We are in the top 3 and Guly has fantastic work rate. What next? Pompey will be giving money to charities and Turks will be telling us we need a bigger stadium. It's a interesting phenomena isn't it? The more easily suggestible types on here keep seeing others claim that Guly do Pardo holds the ball up well and he is a exceptionally energetic player. This notion takes hold and they subsequently 'see' these qualities in his play even when the evidence to support these assertions is scanty at best. The truth is the Human perception of reality is a hell of a lot more subjective rather than objective, and we often 'see' what we are expecting to see rather that what has actually occurred. For what its worth my (equally subjective) version of reality is that Guly doesn't really hold the ball all that well and neither is he especially energetic for that matter. Not that I expect the massed ranks of the Guly fan club to accept any of that of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 It's a interesting phenomena isn't it? The more easily suggestible types on here keep seeing others claim that Guly do Pardo holds the ball up well and he is a exceptionally energetic player. This notion takes hold and they subsequently 'see' these qualities in his play even when the evidence to support these assertions is scanty at best. The truth is the Human perception of reality is a hell of a lot more subjective rather than objective, and we often 'see' what we are expecting to see rather that what has actually occurred. For what its worth my (equally subjective) version of reality is that Guly doesn't really hold the ball all that well and neither is he especially energetic for that matter. Not that I expect the massed ranks of the Guly fan club to accept any of that of course. Like your 6 year old boy expecting to see Guly is crap, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 Guly does hold the ball up well, he wasn't dispossessed yesterday and played simple passes that kept us in possession. No prem game with only a two goal advantage with 20 minuets left is risk free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 Guly does hold the ball up well, he wasn't dispossessed yesterday and played simple passes that kept us in possession. No prem game with only a two goal advantage with 20 minuets left is risk free. its as about as risk free as you are going to get. not one game will he we have it as comfortable this season. gaston is supposed to be an international for a top national team etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 Did this really merit another thread? Could have been posted on the other 3-4 Mr X started about Gaston being pants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Jude Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 Personally... Would have liked to see Tadanari Lee for the last 15 minutes... Would have been interesting to have some pace against their woeful centre backs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 Like your 6 year old boy expecting to see Guly is crap, yes? As you keep asking me about him I must note that you seem inordinately interested in a (now 7 year-old BTW) opinions. He came, he saw, he told me what he thought. I should leave it at that if I was you. As for Guly, I well know you happen to rate him highly. I dare say you will also remember that his is not a opinion I share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 27 October, 2013 Share Posted 27 October, 2013 its as about as risk free as you are going to get. I.e. not risk free at all. Scoring even the jammiest of goals to pull a game back to 2-1 always seems to give the chasing team a massive boost if they manage with 5-10 minutes left on the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 29 October, 2013 Share Posted 29 October, 2013 Ramirez wanted by Galatasaray according to this: http://www.turkish-football.com/news_read.php?id=5348 If he is going to leave then it wouldn't be a bad destination as Galatasaray pay well for players and the tax breaks footballers have over there mean Ramirez would still earn a very good wage as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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