clyne and Lallana for England

[Batman]

surely, for the next squads (along with lambert)

 

even collymore now is campaigning on his show to get them into the friendly squads.

 

cant see why smalling should play instead of clyne and why cleverly gets in ahead of lallana

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Jamie Redknapp was saying as much on Sky too. Shaw and Jay Rod too even.

[SuperSAINT]

cant see why smalling should play instead of clyne and why cleverly gets in ahead of lallana

 

Agree completely.

 

(But the answer is that they play for Utd)

[Batman]

Agree completely.

 

(But the answer is that they play for Utd)

collymore was saying how the FA is still very elitist.

there is now way on earth, playing against the same players that smalling and cleverly are better than our 2.

 

it was also thought that put rooney and RVP in our team and we would finish comfortably above united

[OldNick]

Do we really want our players corrupted by the big time Charlie's? Let's just keep jogging along and them being fresh and eager for us

[Batman]

Do we really want our players corrupted by the big time Charlie's? Let's just keep jogging along and them being fresh and eager for us

 

its not about us wanting. they will want to. can see morgan going if he does not get a look in for france sooner or later

[NickG]

Collymore said next England game should include Shaw, Lallana, Lambert, Clyne and JayRod.

 

Said few player have pace and confidence JayRod has running from halfway line.

 

My view-

Lambert should definitely be in squad, if Rooney is injured who else can link up like him?

 

Shaw - 3rd choice at moment but not miles behind, injuries or experience may justify inclusion.

 

JayRod, surprised to hear him championed but clearly good player, has everything in his game - size, speed, skilful, scores etc - but is he consistent enough? Where would he play?

 

Clyne - IMHO should be straight in squad, best English RB at moment on form.

 

Lallana, playing as well as any midfielder including England first choices. Work rate and fitness is amazing. I would be surprised if any English defensive midfielders currently match him, but with more ball skills than just about anyone in England squad.

We have good speedy wingers - Townsend, ox-c, Walcott - Lallana offers something different.

 

It will be disappointing if Lallana and Lambert are not in the next squad, Lallana maybe team.

 

Wouldn't be surprised with Clyne

 

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[dan abnormal]

Drop Lampard and Johnson ( who will gain nothing from these friendlies) and bring in Lallana and Clyne. Easy.

[Crab Lungs]

Pointless footballers like Cleverley, Milner, Johnson and Carroll will be on the plane, sadly. Hodgson is a complete nobber.

[S-Clarke]

For me, Lallana is a shoe in for the next squad. Not even just a token place on the bench either, he should start. There's no one else in his position that is British who is as bright and lively as he is this season.

 

He should be picked, but should also start for England.

[Crab Lungs]

Been saying since League One that Lallana's a lot, lot better than some of the drudgery with caps.

[Glasgow_Saint]

Roy was at Villa today watching Delph.... Had another very good game by all accounts

[S-Clarke]

Roy was at Villa today watching Delph.... Had another very good game by all accounts

 

Delph is alright, but is another ''save'' option. We need skill and ability in the squad, not more plodding CM's.

[Crab Lungs]

Roy was at Villa today watching Delph.... Had another very good game by all accounts

 

Delph is decent, don't begrudge Woy a look there.

 

But it'll likely just be a look ... and it'll be the same crap come June next year, guaranteed - perhaps for 1-2 exceptions.

[Batman]

Roy was at Villa today watching Delph.... Had another very good game by all accounts

 

he has been good this season

[Crab Lungs]

Delph is alright, but is another ''save'' option. We need skill and ability in the squad, not more plodding CM's.

 

Yup. He's more dynamic than Milner though, but isn't going to win you any games.

[rooney]

Pointless footballers like Cleverley, Milner, Johnson and Carroll will be on the plane, sadly. Hodgson is a complete nobber.

 

Agree but you missed off Smalling.

[Crab Lungs]

Agree but you missed off Smalling.

 

'spose I could throw in Phil Jones too while I'm at it.

[Batman]

'spose I could throw in Phil Jones too while I'm at it.

 

he has been terrible for united lately. Always seemed to be billed as the 'future england captain'

[DuncanRG]

Clyne lacks end product, not getting ahead of Johnson for me. Outside shout for the squad.

 

Lallana would be good value for a friendly game to see what he can do.

 

Nobody else earning it for me at the moment, besides Lambert obviously.

[Crab Lungs]

Clyne lacks end product, not getting ahead of Johnson for me. Outside shout for the squad.

 

Lallana would be good value for a friendly game to see what he can do.

 

Nobody else earning it for me at the moment, besides Lambert obviously.

 

Yer, because Milner, Cleverley et al have been fantastic this year.

[DuncanRG]

Lallana would be worth a go over Cleverley if they played the same position but, alas, they don't.

 

Milner always performs for England and he's been good when he's appeared for City as well. There's a balance to be struck between club form and international experience, because you need some consistency of faces in the squad.

[Batman]

Lallana would be worth a go over Cleverley if they played the same position but, alas, they don't.

 

Milner always performs for England and he's been good when he's appeared for City as well. There's a balance to be struck between club form and international experience, because you need some consistency of faces in the squad.

you are right. lallana plays anywhere is attacking midfield. not the bench

[FarehamRed]

If there's a technically better English player in the PL than AL, please point him out, 'cos I an't seen him....

[THEVMAN]

How can someone of Championship level be considered for an England call up

[Roger]

Been a critic of Lallana in the last year. He wasn't anywhere near the standard he's playing now. Looks much faster now and if he keeps this up will play for england.

[Smirking_Saint]

Collymore said next England game should include Shaw, Lallana, Lambert, Clyne and JayRod.

 

Said few player have pace and confidence JayRod has running from halfway line.

 

My view-

Lambert should definitely be in squad, if Rooney is injured who else can link up like him?

 

Shaw - 3rd choice at moment but not miles behind, injuries or experience may justify inclusion.

 

JayRod, surprised to hear him championed but clearly good player, has everything in his game - size, speed, skilful, scores etc - but is he consistent enough? Where would he play?

 

Clyne - IMHO should be straight in squad, best English RB at moment on form.

 

Lallana, playing as well as any midfielder including England first choices. Work rate and fitness is amazing. I would be surprised if any English defensive midfielders currently match him, but with more ball skills than just about anyone in England squad.

We have good speedy wingers - Townsend, ox-c, Walcott - Lallana offers something different.

 

It will be disappointing if Lallana and Lambert are not in the next squad, Lallana maybe team.

 

Wouldn't be surprised with Clyne

 

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Basically the way I see it, but lallana isnt a CM, and that would be where he gets in, nevertheless he should be around the team. The wide men would be Sturridge and Welbeck and rightly so.

 

Clyne is very good, should be in the squad, walker is off the boil, johnson is ok but Clyne has both sides of his game pretty much sown up right now.

 

Lambert is the best of the rest, looked good today.

[Saint Charlie]

Clyne and Lallana should get picked.

[9-3]

What a signing Clyne has been.

He is so quick and covers so much ground.

Clyne and Shaw should be Englands full backs. Fact

[saintadjg]

Basically the way I see it, but lallana isnt a CM, and that would be where he gets in, nevertheless he should be around the team. The wide men would be Sturridge and Welbeck and rightly so.

 

Clyne is very good, should be in the squad, walker is off the boil, johnson is ok but Clyne has both sides of his game pretty much sown up right now.

 

Lambert is the best of the rest, looked good today.

 

Sturridge absolutely,but Welbeck only good games he played were alongside Ricky(testament to how good Ricky is) .He is a donkey of the highest order I would have Jrod over Welbeck in my team all day long not even close.If Welbeck were at any other team he wouldnt even be considered

[Smirking_Saint]

Except for the fact he always looks pretty good for england you mean and never lets a back four settle on the ball ?

[Pugwash]

Clyne lacks end product?? Clearly didn't see him play today, close to MoM for me and he gets better and better with each game.

 

Why does anyone think Welbeck is a shoe-in for a wide position? The guy's got pace and not much else. Awful first touch, poor accuracy in both shooting and passing, no vision or awareness. He was a liability in the last England game and it was significant that his only decent game was one in which Rickie was setting up chances for him. Lallana's a far better player on the left of the three in a 4-2-3-1 (or 4-3-3) than Heskey - sorry, Welbeck - will ever be. (Freudian slip there...)

Edited 26 October, 2013 by Pugwash

[sammysaint]

Jay Rod would fit in under Woys system of 433 play him wide left instead of Wellbeck, for me Wellbeck is no better then Jay Rod both good players but not quite consistent and ever gonna be world class, Rooney and Sturridge however are top class and on there day world class specially Rooney at the moment, however i know for a fact the following will happen, Lambos gonna be 2nd choice as that main striker and Walcott is gonna be the spare wide man for Wellbeck and Sturridge.

 

As for defence i would say Baines and Cole this world cup and then Luke will get his chance as i feel Cole will retire after the world cup specially if we make it to the QF OR SF, Clyne is better then Johnson and Smalling as a RB i would have him 2nd choice to Walker all day every day.

[rooney]

Jay Rod's runs have been amazing this season and last v Liverpool. Lallana has gained a yard of pace too, obviously been working at this on the training ground.

[positivepete]

All this England talk. Another reminder of the early eighties. Steve Moran anyone? Why did he not go to the World Cup in Spain?

One thing to note though, we play a clear team system that relies on all eleven players playing their part. England do not, so there is a chance that our players may not look as good playing for England as they do for us. Having said that, Clyne and Lallana deserve the chance to find out.

[dubai_phil]

Both Clyne & Shaw SHOULD get called up and some Friendly game time.

 

Both are pretty much England's 3rd choice FB's at the moment. We saw against Poland that IF we lose any of the first choice players we DO need a back up that is NOT Smalling as it disrupts the new pressing style that Wow is trying to introduce.

 

I would NOT pick either ahead of the incumbents for Brazil but IF one of the first choice pairs gets injured THEN Clyne or Shaw have to go.

 

As for Lallana. I stick with my criticism of him last season in that he was taking 2 touches most of the time. At the start of this season he was taking 1.5 touches. It WAS frustrating because it was stopping him from being an outstanding player.

 

Now, with an injury-free run of games and the crazy level of confidence throughout the team he is now almost taking only a half touch.

 

Like JRod & SRL, he is not only gifted, he is also an intelligent footballer so he brings so much more to a side than the likes of Ashley Young or even Theo Walcott.

 

If Adam is NOT picked for the friendlies it would be a travesty.

 

JRod is a damned fine footballer, but he REALLY needs to start banging in the goals before I could argue to have him in ahead of Rooney/Sturridge or Wellbeck or even SRL. Think with him it is a confidence issue as well. Wonder how he would have kicked on in the next couple of weeks IF that Scissor kick had gone in.

 

So yes, Woy needs to keep SRL in the squad Lallana must be in on merit and Shaw & Clyne need to be in there to get experience IN CASE of injuries to thers at the end of the season.

[labibs]

Clyne should be in the squad as I feel he is much better than Walker (who I don't think is great defensively). Realistically, I expect Roy to take Johnson and a CB who can cover RB (Jones or Smalling) instead if 2 specialist RBs, bit of a waste of a space otherwise? Shaw is clearly 3rd choice, so this WC is too early for him. I would call up both of them for the next squad though, no point in Cole getting another cap etc.

 

Lallana should definitely be in the squad. He seems to have added more to his game physically this year, he does things quicker and seems to have more energy. Again, if he played for Man Utd, he'd probably have at least 10 caps now. Lambert will have a place in the squad until Carroll is fit, then it's a battle between them for the 'big man' role in the squad. Obviously I would take Lambert, but Carroll younger say he may win out. Depends on the form of the two until the end of the season.

 

Still J-Rod is a but short of the squad to be honest. He's not even a guaranteed starter in our team! He would need to nail down a place for us and have a fantastic season (lots of goals, at least double figures) to have a chance.

 

I think the elitism in squad selection is largely down to the media. If he loses games and he's ignored players from big teams, he'll get slaughtered. If he loses, less people are likely to say its because he didn't out J-Rod in the first XI. Not right, but the way it is. Nationally, still a view (a ridiculous one!) that if you were really that good, one of the 'big clubs' would have signed you.

[Saint Garrett]

Lallana has been a different player this season. Last year his decision masking was poor, and probably Puncheon deserved to be in the side ahead of him, but he's been absolutely superb this year. Deserves a few caps IMO.

 

Clyne is just a class act and personAlly think he's better than Walker and Johnson.

 

Shaw is fourth choice LB so think he may have to keep playing to a high standard and wait til Cole retires. (Baines Cole Gibbs)

 

Not sure about JRod, can't do a worse job than Welbeck.

[max_saints]

Clyne has got to be the best RB in the league atm

[skintsaint]

Apart from England, Fonte for Portugal and MS for France maybe? Although the latter probably won't happen from what I read on here due to their manager liking players with CL experience.

[ottery st mary]

Clyne has got to be the best RB in the league atm

 

 

Absolutely....class player with tremendous speed AND fight...

 

Great footballer.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

It's funny how JRod gets mentioned for England. According to our experts on here he was an awful waste of money signing? Also funny how Clyne was seemingly forgotten when discussing how poor we are in the transfer market - £2m, what an absolute steal!

 

Agree it's probably too early for Clyne and Shaw, yet. Cole should be phased out after Rio in my opinion, he has probably been the best lb in the world the past decade or so, but he is on the decline now, and is behind Baines now I think.

 

I'm a big fan of JRod, and think he could get in the squad, but perhaps needs a bit more consistency and a few more goals first.

 

Lallana, have to agree, he is a better, smarter player than Young, Cleverly and would get a nod over them.

 

If Carroll gets picked over Lambo having missed most of the season it would be a joke. Though it would be hard to argue him as a starter over Rooney (who I don't care what anyone says, is England's only world class player) and Sturridge on current form.

[Saint Charlie]

No way too early for Clyne. He is consistently excelllent.

[Saint Mikey]

For me, Lallana is a shoe in for the next squad

 

Why does anyone think Welbeck is a shoe-in for a wide position?

 

What's a shoe-in? Are you advocating giving the players a kicking?

 

http://grammarist.com/spelling/shoo-in/

[Give it to Ron]

Although its great to see them nominated by people like Collymore I don't want our talent anywhere near the England squad....anyone that picks Welbeck ahead of Lambert etc is a buffoon...and even leaves him on the bench when scoring in 2 out of 3 games for someone that can't hit a cows arse with a banjo!

[Saint Charlie]

Although its great to see them nominated by people like Collymore I don't want our talent anywhere near the England squad....anyone that picks Welbeck ahead of Lambert etc is a buffoon...and even leaves him on the bench when scoring in 2 out of 3 games for someone that can't hit a cows arse with a banjo!

 

Admirable but the facts are that the players want to play for England, and if they perceive that their chances are enhanced elsewhere then they will move somewhere else which isnt what we want.

 

Hopefully they get in the squad playing for us.

 

Also, we all love Lambert etc but remember one game ago we dropped him. He isnt going to be a first choice player for England, that doesnt make RH a wally. Sturridge is in better form and is a better player, ditto Rooney. For Lambert to make the squads is a fantastic achievement.

Edited 28 October, 2013 by Saint Charlie

[Give it to Ron]

Yep agree with all that but doesn't make it right Welbeck who never scores for utd - had missed several sitters

was kept on - Sturridge could of gone left so could Rooney.

Lambert could of been bought on just to keep hold of the ball for the last 15 yet we bring on Milner!!

 

Interesting thing I listened to on Saturday night on Talksport who were making that point about players out of form for top clubs getting picked ahead of good players in lower...he used Smalling over Clyne as one.

[tajjuk]

Lallana definitely deserves a chance, he's been excellent and he offers something England don;t have an abundance of a player with very quick feet and close control dribbling. Most of the wide/attacking mid type players we have are off the Walcott mould, pacey and direct. Lallana is different he's more of the Silva type player.

 

Lambert should retain his place, Clyne is worth a go as well, Jay Rod needs to score more goals.

 

Shaw isn't going to get ahead of Baines or Cole but I suspect Cole will retire after the World Cup and Shaw will be a squad regular.

[Give it to Ron]

Lallana definitely deserves a chance, he's been excellent and he offers something England don;t have an abundance of a player with very quick feet and close control dribbling. Most of the wide/attacking mid type players we have are off the Walcott mould, pacey and direct. Lallana is different he's more of the Silva type player.

 

Lambert should retain his place, Clyne is worth a go as well, Jay Rod needs to score more goals.

 

Shaw isn't going to get ahead of Baines or Cole but I suspect Cole will retire after the World Cup and Shaw will be a squad regular.

 

I forgot to add they were comparing Lallana with Cleverley...as another example of big club players getting in ahead of in form lower clubs. Fair point.

Its been a great start to the season..we need to continue that to see them get picked = more end product from Jayrod and Lallana and Ricky finding the net still.

[Giordano]

In 2014-15, after the World Cup, a 22 man England squad will have 5 Southampton players in it. We WILL be the England team of the future, and it will play like we play today.

 

Most likely are Adam, Clyne, Shaw, Jrod, JWP.

 

For this World Cup SRL is our best hope - and for me should get in because he has already delivered in the WC and has got goals plus is the best assist man in that forward line up- rooney welbeck and sturridge are largely goal scorers rather than makers - he is both and is ideal to put the ball in the right place for any of those to score - and from penalties too... Adam offers something different as so many have said and i think he has got the next best chance. Clyne, and JWP are next but id say they would be injury choices if the incumbents got crocked ditto Jrod should sturridge/welbeck/walcott get injured.