Batman Posted 21 October, 2013 Posted 21 October, 2013 Seems to be getting raves reviews all over the place. From his style to his coaching etc. He has turned out to be awesome. When many (including me) doubted him Just hope the top managers around Europe all have a decent season as he will no doubt be on their radars
Olallana Posted 21 October, 2013 Posted 21 October, 2013 When was the last time we gave the sitting manager a new contract? Might be time to do that, less than 18 months left on his original contract in january.
John Boy Saint Posted 21 October, 2013 Posted 21 October, 2013 When was the last time we gave the sitting manager a new contract? Might be time to do that, less than 18 months left on his original contract in january. Didn't Adkins get one agreed in the February but not announced until late March April when we were in League one kept it under wraps as a motivational tool for the players to keep them going
Dig Dig Posted 21 October, 2013 Posted 21 October, 2013 I thought the appointment had all the traits to be a disaster but so far it couldn't have gone much better. Seems to a be a great tactician and man manager and has an auora about him which many top managers do. As for how long we can keep him, who knows but as long as we are successful and he is well supported by NC, I don't think he'd be in rush to move on.
pimpin4rizeal Posted 21 October, 2013 Posted 21 October, 2013 I still think its more infrastructure then manager. Most of this stems from corteses game plan which he had since he took over. Is it really a coincidence that every manager since the cortese era has done well? I dont think so.. A plan has always been in place the manager carrys it out and we continue to improve., i actually wouldnt worry if we did lose mp as i just feel every. Decision nc makes just makes us stronger and stronger
saintquin Posted 21 October, 2013 Posted 21 October, 2013 Not everyone rates him. I found this on a Liverpool site. "I mean look at Southampton and Everton. No money. No world class coaches. No world class facilities and they've produced Bale. Walcott and Chamberlain"
John Boy Saint Posted 21 October, 2013 Posted 21 October, 2013 There was something on here over the weekend about Cortese speaking at a football meeting last week and he said that basically the 1st Team Manager/coach was a department head and the infrastructure behind the Southampton way remains continuous just like in mainstream business, the example was given that when Adkins left only 3 people went with him whereas at other teams the personnel change when a manager departs is invariably quite large and disruptive. Someone I know went to one of those informal small meals that about 15 Season Ticket holders were drawn out of the hat to attend for a chat with Nicola. The meeting my friend went to was just after Adam Lallana had signed a new contract, the rational that Cortese had applied to the deal was that to replace Adam with someone of his calibre would cost the club well north of £5m plus all the ongoing monies etc, so to keep him with us and happy it was a far better to use the money that would have been spent replacing him to keep him with us. Adkins after the Coventry game when we were all dancing round the pitch like loons celebrating our return to the Prem, gave Solent a very strange interview almost hinting that he might or might not be the manager the following season, which in hindsight makes sense of the opening paragraph and comments made when justifying the appointment of Pochettino. Nigel had succeeded in his mission to ultimately get Southampton back into the Premiership. His comments in the post match interview just let slip that he knew he had do too well and might cost him. Cortese probably thought over the summer, ok let's stick with him and see where it takes us, as has been rumoured WBA away apparently was the end of the "experiment". I think if MP is delivering and someone comes knocking for his services, as we saw with Oxo Cortese is not going to lay down and have his tummy tickled, if MP is in a popular position like Lallana is to the team then possibly things will be done to keep him, but if Pochettino's sole mission is to get us into the Champions League, then like Adkins we as fans might be presented with an Alien scenario again. At the end of the day who knows? Right now just enjoy the rarefied atmosphere, having sunshine blown up our backsides, and the view across the leagues beneath our feet, if someone comes sniffing around MP as someone said above each change of manager under Cortese has seen an improvement in his replacement, I would imagine that there is already a blueprint of a plan locked safely away. Sorry to ramble on.
PhilippineSaint Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 I still think its more infrastructure then manager. Most of this stems from corteses game plan which he had since he took over. Is it really a coincidence that every manager since the cortese era has done well? I dont think so.. A plan has always been in place the manager carrys it out and we continue to improve., i actually wouldnt worry if we did lose mp as i just feel every. Decision nc makes just makes us stronger and stronger The point being here that if somebody came in and poached MP it would not have been a decision made by NC. I find it difficult to believe that NC has a plan in place already to appoint a world class coach if MP is nicked by another team. Therefore NC's plans are slightly out of the window and we would be looking for a new manager or are the U21 and below managers shadowing MP to learn how it is done to step into his shoes when he does eventually leave? as per most company's succession plans and NC wants us to be run like a normal business model so could be this.
ericofarabia Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Didn't Adkins get one agreed in the February but not announced until late March April when we were in League one kept it under wraps as a motivational tool for the players to keep them going How very dare you call NA a Motivational Tool ....... I thought he was an all round good bloke!!
Monkou Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Not everyone rates him. I found this on a Liverpool site. "I mean look at Southampton and Everton. No money. No world class coaches. No world class facilities and they've produced Bale. Walcott and Chamberlain" No Money - Wrong No world class coaches - subjective but plainly wrong No world class facilities - Wrong Whoever wrote that is clearly an ignorant tit.
mulletsaint Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 No Money - Wrong No world class coaches - subjective but plainly wrong No world class facilities - Wrong Whoever wrote that is clearly an ignorant tit. We clearly need to send in MLG.
Scudamore Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 No Money - Wrong No world class coaches - subjective but plainly wrong No world class facilities - Wrong Whoever wrote that is clearly an ignorant tit. And since when did we have to share the credit for those players with Everton?!
Saint_clark Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Not everyone rates him. I found this on a Liverpool site. "I mean look at Southampton and Everton. No money. No world class coaches. No world class facilities and they've produced Bale. Walcott and Chamberlain" How have Everton produced those 3?
rick1976.4.38 Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 I think if the argentina job came up and they wanted mp,he'd be off,otherwise he's ours till nc gets rid
pingwing Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 When was the last time we had a manager poached off of us instead of being sacked?
Kingsland Codger Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 When was the last time we had a manager poached off of us instead of being sacked? George Burley?
Matthew Le God Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Not everyone rates him. I found this on a Liverpool site. "I mean look at Southampton and Everton. No money. No world class coaches. No world class facilities and they've produced Bale. Walcott and Chamberlain" No Money - Wrong No world class coaches - subjective but plainly wrong No world class facilities - Wrong Whoever wrote that is clearly an ignorant tit. We clearly need to send in MLG. tbf to him what he actually said is correct. When Saints produced Bale, Walcott and Chamberlain we didn't really have any of those things (could argue the youth coaches at the time were very good). I'd guess this guy also thinks the same now and that is when he'd be wrong on all counts.
Matthew Le God Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 (edited) Which teams can offer Pochettino better than he has at Saints and would be more appealing to him when you take all these factors into consideration? - Stadium (and potential expansion) - Training ground - Quality of the academy - Current 1st team - Money to spend in transfer market In England its just... Man Utd Man City Liverpool Chelsea Arsenal Spurs I don't see how the likes of Everton, Aston Villa, Newcastle even though they would be considered as bigger clubs would offer Pochettino more in terms of the factors I listed. The number of teams that offer more to Pochettino in Europe in Italy, Germany, France and Spain isn't huge in number. Plus there is the Argentinian national job. For Pochettino to goto any of those clubs or the Argentinean national job he'd have to achieve something with Saints first. Edited 22 October, 2013 by Matthew Le God
Turkish Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Which teams can offer Pochettino better than he has at Saints and would be more appealing to him when you take all these factors into consideration? - Stadium (and potential expansion) - Training ground - Quality of the academy - Current 1st team - Money to spend in transfer market In England its just... Man Utd Man City Liverpool Chelsea Arsenal Spurs I don't see how the likes of Everton, Aston Villa, Newcastle even though they would be considered as bigger clubs would offer Pochettino more in terms of the factors I listed. The number of teams that offer more to Pochettino in Europe in Italy, Germany, France and Spain isn't huge in number. Plus there is the Argentinian national job. For Pochettino to goto any of those clubs or the Argentinean national job he'd have to achieve something with Saints first. For once you are correct Matthew.
Saint_clark Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Which teams can offer Pochettino better than he has at Saints and would be more appealing to him when you take all these factors into consideration? - Stadium (and potential expansion) - Training ground - Quality of the academy - Current 1st team - Money to spend in transfer market In England its just... Man Utd Man City Liverpool Chelsea Arsenal Spurs I don't see how the likes of Everton, Aston Villa, Newcastle even though they would be considered as bigger clubs would offer Pochettino more in terms of the factors I listed. The number of teams that offer more to Pochettino in Europe in Italy, Germany, France and Spain isn't huge in number. Plus there is the Argentinian national job. For Pochettino to goto any of those clubs or the Argentinean national job he'd have to achieve something with Saints first. Like Brendan Rodgers before he went to Liverpool, Moyes before he went to United?
hypochondriac Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 For once you are correct Matthew. I'm just amazed he admitted Newcastle villa and Everton were bigger clubs than us.
Batman Posted 22 October, 2013 Author Posted 22 October, 2013 I'm just amazed he admitted Newcastle villa and Everton were bigger clubs than us. he didnt. his words are. 'they would consider'
Matthew Le God Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 For Pochettino to goto any of those clubs or the Argentinean national job he'd have to achieve something with Saints first. Like Brendan Rodgers before he went to Liverpool, Moyes before he went to United? What Rodgers did at Swansea and Moyes did at Everton was impressive considering their resources.
Matthew Le God Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 I'd bet Cortese already has an idea who he'd want to replace him if he either sacked Pochettino or if Pochettino left.
Turkish Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 What Rodgers did at Swansea and Moyes did at Everton was impressive considering their resources. What would you consider an impressive achievement for MP given his significantly greater resources? CAn someone quote and he's got me on ignore.
Mr X Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Don't get me wrong I'm very happy with mp but I think people are getting carried away till we see our position at the end of the season he has proved nothing, a great start so far though
farawaysaint Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 I'd bet Cortese already has an idea who he'd want to replace him if he either sacked Pochettino or if Pochettino left. I'd bet he doesn't... He'd only have that in mind when Poch started performing poorly. How many owners think up potential replacements for their staff who are performing well?
Olallana Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 I'd bet Cortese already has an idea who he'd want to replace him if he either sacked Pochettino or if Pochettino left. Not sure about that. If he thinks MP can get us into Europe there is a very small number of managers that would be of higher reputation and those managers probably cost a lot more than Cortese would be willing to pay. Of course it´s a different story if Cortses decides that he cant see MP getting us into Europe though... Just my opinion..
Saint_clark Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 I'd bet he doesn't... He'd only have that in mind when Poch started performing poorly. How many owners think up potential replacements for their staff who are performing well? Cortese, just after Adkins had got us promoted?
Olallana Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Cortese, just after Adkins had got us promoted? I think that was more of a case of the original 5-yr plan and that it was slightly changed to let Adkins stay on....
Saint_Tony Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 I think we'd need to finish top 6 this season for anyone better than ourselves to make an approach for him.
Mr X Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 I think we'd need to finish top 6 this season for anyone better than ourselves to make an approach for him. Cant see it happening in a zillion years, top ten would be fantastic! Our forwards will really have to improve to have any chance of top six, the top six will be Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, man united, (nnot in that order) as it is pretty much every year, maybe swapping one of those for everton. Out of interest now that cortese has got a taste for seeing us in the top half of the table, do you think he would get twitchy should we have a bad run and be outside it at xmas?
Solid Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 He can have it all at saints Exactly. If I were him I'd much rather be part of a great future than a waning past.....
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Im not worried about mopo leaving, imho there are 5+ managers better than him (in the prem) and with longer history of success. 6-8 games is not long enough to judge how well we will do this season He will need to maintain this over a few years ala Moyes before any big clubs come sniffing
Batman Posted 22 October, 2013 Author Posted 22 October, 2013 Im not worried about mopo leaving, imho there are 5+ managers better than him (in the prem) and with longer history of success. 6-8 games is not long enough to judge how well we will do this season He will need to maintain this over a few years ala Moyes before any big clubs come sniffing like rogers?
Window Cleaner Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Cant see it happening in a zillion years, top ten would be fantastic! Our forwards will really have to improve to have any chance of top six, the top six will be Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, man united, (nnot in that order) as it is pretty much every year, maybe swapping one of those for everton. Out of interest now that cortese has got a taste for seeing us in the top half of the table, do you think he would get twitchy should we have a bad run and be outside it at xmas? Liverpool won't be top 6, Suarez will get a long suspension again (or p*ss off to Madrid) and Gerrard will slip over on an icy pavement on his way to the post office to collect his pension. They aren't that good.
Solid Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Im not worried about mopo leaving, imho there are 5+ managers better than him (in the prem) Out of interest, who, out of those 5 would you replace mopo with? I really cant think of anyone I'd rather have personally but I am interested In who you think would be doing a better job right now?
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Out of interest, who, out of those 5 would you replace mopo with? I really cant think of anyone I'd rather have personally but I am interested In who you think would be doing a better job right now? Michael Laudrup to name just one
Solid Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Michael Laudrup to name just one I agree he is a top draw manager and has excelled in his job but would you really swap him for mopo at this stage? I just cant see, with this group of players especially, anyone doing a better job than is already being done.
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 I agree he is a top draw manager and has excelled in his job but would you really swap him for mopo at this stage? I just cant see, with this group of players especially, anyone doing a better job than is already being done. Come on mate, think youre getting carried away. We are 8 games into a season..... A season where we were given a dream opening fixture calender. If we are top 6 after xmas i might jump on the excited bus. Before this season he was sacked by Espanyol and had an average half season with Saints. Laudrup on the other hand did the business all last season, swansea were top 10 all season, won a cup and are now cruising in Europe. He also knows how to find a bargain and get the most out of his players.
Solid Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 No getting carried away at all. I wouldn't swap places for all the tea in china. Early days indeed but beating a few poor teams in Europe and losing to us at home, doesn't convince me we would be better off. And I'm sure most of us know about the extenuating circumstances at Espanyol so I really don't read an awful lot into that either. Would you be that surprised to see us having a better season this year than Swansea did last? Because if we keep going at the rate we are, there would be no surprise about it. The grass isn't always greener. We have to sit back and see what happens now. Kinda reminds me of all the pre season comments on here about how other teams had done much better transfer business than we did.......
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 If we finish top 10 this season and win a cup i will take my hat off to Mopo and the coaching team. I am not convinced we will emulate Swanseas success from last season and think we will finish below Swansea and Everton this season
Solid Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 If we finish top 10 this season and win a cup i will take my hat off to Mopo and the coaching team. I am not convinced we will emulate Swanseas success from last season and think we will finish below Swansea and Everton this season I sincerely hope you are wrong and we can both drink (alot) to that at the end of the season!
PhilippineSaint Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Come on mate, think youre getting carried away. We are 8 games into a season..... A season where we were given a dream opening fixture calender. If we are top 6 after xmas i might jump on the excited bus. Before this season he was sacked by Espanyol and had an average half season with Saints. Laudrup on the other hand did the business all last season, swansea were top 10 all season, won a cup and are now cruising in Europe. He also knows how to find a bargain and get the most out of his players. Where we have played Liverpool and Man Utd Away and got 4 points since 1984 when was the last time we did that?
Saint_Tony Posted 22 October, 2013 Posted 22 October, 2013 Cant see it happening in a zillion years, top ten would be fantastic! Our forwards will really have to improve to have any chance of top six, the top six will be Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, man united, (nnot in that order) as it is pretty much every year, maybe swapping one of those for everton. Out of interest now that cortese has got a taste for seeing us in the top half of the table, do you think he would get twitchy should we have a bad run and be outside it at xmas? Nor can I, even with the level of form we are showing now I think 7th is the very highest we can achieve and that's a very tall order. I can imagine Cortese has targetted top 6 this season, and anything less than tenth will be unacceptable, even more so given our start. Realistically there's more chance of MP getting sacked than leaving to go to a bigger club
Black Sea Saint Posted 23 October, 2013 Posted 23 October, 2013 I'd bet Cortese already has an idea who he'd want to replace him if he either sacked Pochettino or if Pochettino left. Bielsa!
John Boy Saint Posted 23 October, 2013 Posted 23 October, 2013 Bielsa! The Apprentices Sorcerer ................... If I recall correctly.
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