Us on MOTD yesterday

[pangy]

I was at work yesterday and only managed to watch snippets of the game so I was quite excited to watch us on MOTD as I had read on here how we had bossed Utd in large portions of the game and stats wise we had more possession,attempts and shots on goal.

 

You would think we were the luckiest team in the world,the highlights couldn't favour Utd anymore if they tried,every attempt they had was shown and other than Osvaldos shot in the 1st half that's pretty much all they showed of us,bar the goal,like i said I didn't watch all of the game,but I saw Morgans run from his own half were he beat 2-3 players and let rip with a wild shot,if that was Junasz? They would all be drooling over it.

 

I am not claiming anti saints agenda as I have no doubt it happens to a lot of teams on MOTD,just seems stupid they don't give some teams the credit they deserve

[lifeintheslowlane]

I counted 10 Man U attack shown to 3 of ours...unbelievably poor editing. Even the after match analysis highlighted our pressing game and dominance using clips that were never shown in the highlights.

[saintds]

Very true, but as already said in another thread, the post match analysis by shearer was more accurate.

[Toomer]

I have just watched this morning you would have thought they were all over us like a rash.

[trousers]

Lineker responded to the criticism on twitter last night by saying that the MotD footage is edited 'in real time' during the match rather than after the game has finished. That would go some way to explain why the highlights don't always reflect the game as a whole as they will simply pick out the 'exciting bits' as they happen rather than focus on the more subtle aspects of a team's good performance.

Edited 20 October, 2013 by trousers

[saint si]

United had the better chances, whereas despite our possession we barely tested De Gea. The highlights always tend to show chances and other moments of excitement (red cards, controversies etc).

[Wes Tender]

It was done like that after consultation between Cortese and the big wigs at United, who put pressure on the MOTD editor to show the match in that light, each for their own reasons.

 

Cortese is happy that we continue to be portrayed as the little club punching above our weight. In particular we didn't want to show how good players like Schneiderlin, Shaw, Clyne and Lallana are.

 

United didn't want the World to know how crap they have become without Ferguson. 99% of United's plastics will be under the illusion that they battered us and were unlucky not to have had the points, so they won't be getting on their back quite yet, allowing a little time for Moyes to either turn them around, or get them deeper into the sh*t. Everybody including the referee colluded to give them all three points, the ref awarding 5 extra minutes, which was usually adequate for them to score a winner under Ferguson, but even that misfired and almost handed us the three points.

 

Frankly, I couldn't care less about how MOTD portrayed us, as Shearer's assessment of our tactical nous was spot on and the statistics tell their own story. Having watched the match, I know that the highlights were a travesty

[rshephard3]

It was done like that after consultation between Cortese and the big wigs at United, who put pressure on the MOTD editor to show the match in that light, each for their own reasons.

 

Cortese is happy that we continue to be portrayed as the little club punching above our weight. In particular we didn't want to show how good players like Schneiderlin, Shaw, Clyne and Lallana are.

 

United didn't want the World to know how crap they have become without Ferguson. 99% of United's plastics will be under the illusion that they battered us and were unlucky not to have had the points, so they won't be getting on their back quite yet, allowing a little time for Moyes to either turn them around, or get them deeper into the sh*t. Everybody including the referee colluded to give them all three points, the ref awarding 5 extra minutes, which was usually adequate for them to score a winner under Ferguson, but even that misfired and almost handed us the three points.

 

Frankly, I couldn't care less about how MOTD portrayed us, as Shearer's assessment of our tactical nous was spot on and the statistics tell their own story. Having watched the match, I know that the highlights were a travesty

 

Good post. As mentioned above, it amazes me that Morgans run could not be deemed an exciting enough moment, despite the wayward shot. A United player would have got a "that's why you're champions league" pat on the back. From being at the game, it is like some kind of propoganda machine at United. From mumbling the opposition teams players out so you cant hear them and thundering out Utd's to the constant "but we're at OT, we must get a freekick" ear bashing of the referee, yesterday just reminded me why I have a thorough dislike of United (not celebrated like that since Ricky's goal Fratton). Luckily their whinging is getting more and more of a token gesture this season as it impossible to mask the cracks in their waning team.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Sadly BBC coverage of football is always going to be poor in comparison to Sky coverage as

time is limited, but do agree they do tend to favour the "bigger" clubs during.

 

They did show that Rooney was offside for the goal though...

[Suffolk Saint]

Agree with other posts MotD made it look like we just hung on. Really looking forward to seeing the hi lights when I got back but so disappointed our dominance in midfield, tackling and passing was missed.We made Utd look second rate but you wouldn't have thought so from the MotD coverage.

[Turkish]

Man United had the better chances which was why it was shown like that and they had spells in each half where they do instead us for a period. Overall though we defended well and had more of the game. De Geye made 3-4 routine saves from shot where really we should have made him work harder, it also didn't show the header off the line by them in the second half which I was surprised about. There were also occasions where we tried to walk it in and take one touch too many rather than shooting we'd try and extra pass in and around their area and the chance broke down. It was a good performance and result though and despite the odd break for them there was only one team going to score in the last 20 mins.

Edited 20 October, 2013 by Turkish

[Bananaman]

I usually dont buy into this anti-Saints agenda stuff but that is exactly what I thought when watching match of the day.. I watched the whole game, like many others, and the highlights gave a very false reflection of how things turned out. It looked like we held on for 90 mins then smash and grab. made me a little angry to be honest

[melmacian_saint]

I don't like us being in the spotlight. I'd rather the press carry on underestimating us as a club and team. Yes it's nice to hear all the analysis and praise but it usually brings about numbers of rumors and constant look for **** stirring that we really don't need. Maybe Cortese knew this when he decided to take a strong attitude on the local press from the start.

[jamesfp1]

Goals on Sunday will be much more focussed on us.

[pangy]

I like to watch MOTD 30 mins or so after it has started simply because I can't stand the so called expert analysis and fwd straight through,anyone saints fans that do not read forums/ watch streams will think we did a smash and grab for sure

[VectisSaint]

I like to watch MOTD 30 mins or so after it has started simply because I can't stand the so called expert analysis and fwd straight through,anyone saints fans that do not read forums/ watch streams will think we did a smash and grab for sure

Well you would have been better listening to the so-called experts. The boy Lineacre wanted to focus on Manure, but Shearer wouldn't let him and focused on us using footage that was not included in the highlights. Highlights were a joke, but what's new? Sky Match Choice highlights were better (of course they have longer) but missed the Clyne shot and the Schneiderlin run, and also most of our bookings (I think they showed only Vic's). The woman that presents Sky Match Choice is truly appalling, and Butch Wilkins is really not much better, but at least the highlights themselves put MOTD to shame.

[DuncanRG]

United's chances were much closer/more entertaining to watch than ours so I can understand why a lot of ours had to go. It was a tight show for time last night but just one or two other bits (Schneiderlin's run for example) would have left a better impression. That's probably why the post-match was Saints-centric.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Lineker responded to the criticism on twitter last night by saying that the MotD footage is edited 'in real time' during the match rather than after the game has finished. That would go some way to explain why the highlights don't always reflect the game as a whole as they will simply pick out the 'exciting bits' as they happen rather than focus on the more subtle aspects of a team's good performance.

 

And they call the programme Match Of The Day! That, then, is surely a misrepresentation of the facts.

 

Then again, what more do fans of 'struggling Southampton' and their ilk expect?

[svetigpung]

It was done like that after consultation between Cortese and the big wigs at United, who put pressure on the MOTD editor to show the match in that light, each for their own reasons.

 

Cortese is happy that we continue to be portrayed as the little club punching above our weight. In particular we didn't want to show how good players like Schneiderlin, Shaw, Clyne and Lallana are.

 

United didn't want the World to know how crap they have become without Ferguson. 99% of United's plastics will be under the illusion that they battered us and were unlucky not to have had the points, so they won't be getting on their back quite yet, allowing a little time for Moyes to either turn them around, or get them deeper into the sh*t. Everybody including the referee colluded to give them all three points, the ref awarding 5 extra minutes, which was usually adequate for them to score a winner under Ferguson, but even that misfired and almost handed us the three points.

 

Frankly, I couldn't care less about how MOTD portrayed us, as Shearer's assessment of our tactical nous was spot on and the statistics tell their own story. Having watched the match, I know that the highlights were a travesty

 

Exactly! This is all to our advantage. Let those whom get their weekly kick from MOTD keep on believing ManU, Lierpool and any other sides just had a bad game, an off day. As long. as we know were better than that, thats all that matters.

FYI , the experts in Sweden (it was the live game showed around scandonavia) were praising us, our confidence, our team work and obvious team spirit. Great to hear.

The biggest paper in Sweden had a full page report on our club before the game. The Southampton way is getting noticed, abroad anyway.

[david in sweden]

Exactly! This is all to our advantage. Let those whom get their weekly kick from MOTD keep on believing ManU, Lierpool and any other sides just had a bad game, an off day. As long. as we know were better than that, thats all that matters.

FYI , the experts in Sweden (it was the live game showed around scandonavia) were praising us, our confidence, our team work and obvious team spirit. Great to hear.

The biggest paper in Sweden had a full page report on our club before the game. The Southampton way is getting noticed, abroad anyway.

 

My Swedish colleagues....." Liverpool, Arsenal and Man.Utd fans every one of them ".. have been very polite and much more respectful to me in recent weeks.

[oldsarum]

United's chances were much closer/more entertaining to watch than ours so I can understand why a lot of ours had to go. It was a tight show for time last night but just one or two other bits (Schneiderlin's run for example) would have left a better impression. That's probably why the post-match was Saints-centric.

 

 

Even football first missed that out, and also somehow managed to leave out the Clyne effort near the end, however the commentators were complementary and unlike BBC commentator did not think we stole a point but got the point we deserved.

 

Both programmes also left out a great run by Clyne were he left Utd's new wonderkid for dead, but unfortunately didn't make the greatest of crosses at the end of the run.

 

Neil Warnock on Talksport once again was full of praise for Clyne today and thinks he's a better full back than Walker and Johnson as he can actuallly defend, and is just as good as those two going forward

[Saint86]

Sadly BBC coverage of football is always going to be poor in comparison to Sky coverage as

time is limited, but do agree they do tend to favour the "bigger" clubs during.

 

They did show that Rooney was offside for the goal though...

 

Incorrect actually. The match footed stated that he was onside.

 

Only shearer mentioned it in passing that it was slightly offside.

 

In comparison, sky's highlights were brilliant, but with stelling, Ed and Matt it is obvious that we are well liked on sky. The match of the day team don't have much time for us.

[Special K]

Lineker responded to the criticism on twitter last night by saying that the MotD footage is edited 'in real time' during the match rather than after the game has finished. That would go some way to explain why the highlights don't always reflect the game as a whole as they will simply pick out the 'exciting bits' as they happen rather than focus on the more subtle aspects of a team's good performance.

 

People actually complained to Lineker via twitter!?!? Dear God . They'll be putting Saints higlights on C Beebeebies (or whatever it's called) next. FFS, how much more precious can our fanbase get?

[Wes Tender]

It isn't only the MOTD coverage that puts across this stilted view. Having read a good selection of the reports in the newspapers, many of them and the internet blogs go with the angle that Man Utd had enough chances to have won, but were the victims of a late smash and grab from us. The usual summary concludes that they had hit the bar twice and had a goal disallowed, not accepting that they could have hit the bar ten times and that those don't gain any points, and that disallowed goals count for nothing either. However, their only goal should have been disallowed, whereas we were the only team to actually score a valid goal and to also have 50% more shots at goal than them, more possession and more shots on target.

 

One can understand the bias of the rose tinted spsctacle brigade on the blogs, but it's funny that these facts seem to somehow be overlooked by sports writers of the more serious Nationals.

 

But as I said earlier, who cares about the understandable bias towards the ultimate Glory Club, as it's understandable that the journos will show bias to them because of the proportion of their readership that follows them. All that really matters from our perspective is that we can be quietly confident that we were the team that should have come away with the 3 points and that most objective commentators will conclude increasingly that on our day, we can beat any team in this division.

[simo]

I demand more respect !!!!!!!!

[Turkish]

It isn't only the MOTD coverage that puts across this stilted view. Having read a good selection of the reports in the newspapers, many of them and the internet blogs go with the angle that Man Utd had enough chances to have won, but were the victims of a late smash and grab from us. The usual summary concludes that they had hit the bar twice and had a goal disallowed, not accepting that they could have hit the bar ten times and that those don't gain any points, and that disallowed goals count for nothing either. However, their only goal should have been disallowed, whereas we were the only team to actually score a valid goal and to also have 50% more shots at goal than them, more possession and more shots on target.

 

One can understand the bias of the rose tinted spsctacle brigade on the blogs, but it's funny that these facts seem to somehow be overlooked by sports writers of the more serious Nationals.

 

But as I said earlier, who cares about the understandable bias towards the ultimate Glory Club, as it's understandable that the journos will show bias to them because of the proportion of their readership that follows them. All that really matters from our perspective is that we can be quietly confident that we were the team that should have come away with the 3 points and that most objective commentators will conclude increasingly that on our day, we can beat any team in this division.

 

You clearly weren't at the game. Your laughable point about hitting the bar and disallowed goals count for nothing yet then go onto say that because we had more shots at goal than them and more shots at target this in some way counts for something. Contradicting yourself Les.

 

Whilst we were good value for the point, played well and defended well, the fact was that we threated little and Man United hit the bar twice, once when really Rooney should have scored and Boruc made at least two excellent saves. Whereas despite having more posession only really made De Geye work once with Clynes shot near the end with the rest of his saves being simple ones, even from Osvaldos golden chance when he should have done much better. Whinge all you want about bias and agendas but the fact is Man United created more and better chances than we did. We did what you need to do at those sort of grounds, defend well, kept possesion well and took one of the few chances you get at those grounds. Thats not bias, that's FACT sunshine.

[scotty]

Oddly enough, I was chatting with a couple of online mates on another site about just this. Doggiebang is a Man U supporter, a genuine local one as opposed to the surrey brigade. He reckons that the most likely scenario is for Moyes to be sacked after a run of poor results, and Ferguson to come out of retirement.

Doggiebang-

All teams have bad phases, it doesn't bother me, if Moyes doesn't get it right somebody else will!

 

Scotty-

Looks like your theory's right Doggie. After Saints ran your lot ragged all afternoon, its Moyes out by christmas and fergie out of retirement. You were lucky to get a point today.

 

Doggiebang-

I only caught the highlights on MOTD, ****ing hell, they seemed to have improved!

 

C*ntybaws-

Man U played well, I thought, and Saints were quite lucky to get a point - but they'll beat the **** out of a lot of other teams this season if they keep that sort of form up.

 

Scotty-

I watched the whole game on a stream, and it was far more one-sided than the MOTD highlights showed. Take a look at the stats, saints 54% possession at old trafford?? And the shots on goal were just as telling. On a side note, Fellaini was lucky not to get sent off imho. Two really horrible tackles, both of which should have been bookings at least, stamped on Osvaldo and then Wanyama.

[saint-crinny]

Can't start a new thread but thought it is worth flagging that Neville and Carragher are raving about us from a defensive point of view on the Monday Night Football.

 

Neville "Southampton are the best coached defensive outfit in the league."

 

"lovren is a top class defender, they have unearthed a real top player there"

[saint-crinny]

Neville - "I was surprised that a top club didn't come in and buy Schneiderlin in the summer, although I don't think Southampton would sell him"