Olallana Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Surely all that matters is how many shots he has? Of course it does. That is exactly what I´ve said but dont let the truth stop you from trying to be the cool guy on the forum idiot. Btw, can you name the other four of Lowes top 5 blunders?? We all know one of them thanks to you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solid Saint Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 (edited) Couple of point: 1 - IMO, fans really need to disconnect the price tag from what is produced on the pitch. On the pitch, on the day, the price tag doesn't matter, and to use it as some kind of barometer for how good someone should be is a false, one-way argument only. If you want to debate the price tag, fine, but level the questions at the people who paid it... Osvaldo had no say in that. 2 - His career record clearly shows that he has ability, so no one should be (and I don't think anyone is) writing him off. On the contrary, I feel that to be in the position we are in, with the points and results gained so far, despite him clearly not quite being at his best yet, is a positive thing. Think how much better we can be once he is firing. 3 - On Osvaldo himself, it will take him some time to adapt to the Premier League. There are numerous times at present where he is a little too casual on the ball and defender nip it away from him quicker than he is clearly expecting. This will improve. Just look at most of the players still with us, who came up from the Championship... there was a clear, steep learning curve for them all to be quicker in the head, quicker on the ball, sharper with their passing etc, etc. Pochettino knows him better than any of us and he has earned our respect and the right to call it as he sees it. I have no doubt he'll drop him if he feels the need, but as much as we love Rickie, it's not like either of them are exactly on fire. He does need to improve IMO, but it is far too early to make any finite judgements. All in all, I think we should be positive about the fact that we are not quite firing on all cylinders, but find ourselves in the upper echelons of the league. Be positive, and who knows what we could achieve. If Osvaldo can become a bigger part of that then we'd all be happy. This. Oh and thank you Minty for saving my fingers. Great post, I hope people are able to understand your well made points. Edited 21 October, 2013 by Solid Saint Thanks to someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 What are you on about? He had a bad game on Saturday but in other games his ball retention has been superb. What's the "lying 11th" gibberish about as well? Are you trying to say he's our worst player? On saturday he was our worst player by a long way, and the worst player on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Of course it does. That is exactly what I´ve said but dont let the truth stop you from trying to be the cool guy on the forum idiot. Btw, can you name the other four of Lowes top 5 blunders?? We all know one of them thanks to you... You used to be a good poster, but recently you just seem to stalk certain posters (me included) and post *****y comments trying to kick start a barny. I prefer the old olallana that watches alot of football (uk & overseas) and contributes to threads with an honest opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 All this moaning about Osvaldo reminds me of the reception Boruc got 12 months ago, a class GK being constantly knocked without ever really giving him adequate time. Osvaldo is class, just take a look at his bloody goals if you doubt it. That goal against Denmark was mustard. Be patient and give him the time to adjust and just like Boruc he will deliver. I reckon if we signed Messi he would be hounded by some of the numpties on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 On saturday he was our worst player by a long way, and the worst player on the pitch Bless. Did I say he wasn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 You used to be a good poster, but recently you just seem to stalk certain posters (me included) and post *****y comments trying to kick start a barny. I prefer the old olallana that watches alot of football (uk & overseas) and contributes to threads with an honest opinion. I am the stalker?? Haha look through the threads I post in on topic who comes throwing his sh*te around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 f365 is a bit got their knives out on osvaldo Pablo Osvaldo's 90 minutes at Old Trafford consisted of five shots (one on target), no chances created, ten passes completed, three fouls, three times dispossessed, three turnovers, two clearances and one tackle. He cost £15m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 f365 is a bit got their knives out on osvaldo The whoppers on here wont see any sense in commenting upon what actually happened and what facts and figures state, they use fairy dust and hope as their logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 The whoppers on here wont see any sense in commenting upon what actually happened and what facts and figures state, they use fairy dust and hope as their logic. how is RVW doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 The whoppers on here wont see any sense in commenting upon what actually happened and what facts and figures state, they use fairy dust and hope as their logic. Honest and humble question. Facts and figures state that Ramirez were more efficient than Puncheon in PL last year, any comment on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 The whoppers on here wont see any sense in commenting upon what actually happened and what facts and figures state, they use fairy dust and hope as their logic. yeah i know what you mean Barry, Osvaldo may turn out to be great player but i just ain't seen it yet. Probably the posters who used to study his games in italy+spain are in better position to say how quality he is tho. I'm taking their word for it! If he turns out shit tho i will hunt them all down + hurt them bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Honest and humble question. Facts and figures state that Ramirez were more efficient than Puncheon in PL last year, any comment on that? didnt bazza say that puncheon should be a starter for us this season? getting subbed at palace these days. not that good after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 didnt bazza say that puncheon should be a starter for us this season? getting subbed at palace these days. not that good after all. Rooney, Wanyama, Cazorla and Giroud all got subbed on Saturday.......are the not good afterall??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 how is RVW doing? A little bit better than Osvaldo as he appears to be arsed, also Delia has spent the £5 Million saved on the transfer on a new baking set and oven, seeing as Osvaldo is on 4 times as much as well Delia has managed to save a fair whack, so much so she is sparing us with another book release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 didnt bazza say that puncheon should be a starter for us this season? getting subbed at palace these days. not that good after all. No I dont believe I did, I would have not got rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Rooney, Wanyama, Cazorla and Giroud all got subbed on Saturday.......are the not good afterall??? Bad examples matey.... Rooney, Cazorla, Giroud all attacking players subbed when team leading. Wanyama defensive player subbed when team is behind. Puncheon, attacking player subbed when team is behind. You see any difference in those? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Bad examples matey.... Rooney, Cazorla, Giroud all attacking players subbed when team leading. Wanyama defensive player subbed when team is behind. Puncheon, attacking player subbed when team is behind. You see any difference in those? You can do better than that mate.... Come on. See post 205 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 You can do better than that mate.... Come on. See post 205 Actually I can´t, maybe you can enlighten me how so I can do better in your eyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Actually I can´t, maybe you can enlighten me how so I can do better in your eyes? Just be yourself mate, dont try and be something or someone youre not. You were a good poster until 6 months back - what changed? Try to be more positive mate Every morning i wake up and shout "Smile and the World Smiles with You" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Agree, our problem so far is the number 10 position and distribution from midfield to strikers. It shouldn't be a problem, as Gaston is available, but I think it's pretty obvious that Poch doesn't like him (probably doesn't track back enough). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 All this moaning about Osvaldo reminds me of the reception Boruc got 12 months ago, a class GK being constantly knocked without ever really giving him adequate time. Osvaldo is class, just take a look at his bloody goals if you doubt it. That goal against Denmark was mustard. Be patient and give him the time to adjust and just like Boruc he will deliver. I reckon if we signed Messi he would be hounded by some of the numpties on here. Only by the usual "experts" on here mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Just be yourself mate, dont try and be something or someone youre not. You were a good poster until 6 months back - what changed? Try to be more positive mate Every morning i wake up and shout "Smile and the World Smiles with You" Still my question was to hard for you? You dont see the different reasons for those subs you mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Still my question was to hard for you? You dont see the different reasons for those subs you mentioned? Why are you and Batman slatting Puncheon? He's still our player, helped us to where we are now and was only loaned out due to family problems. We are doing so well right now, why do you have to find negatives. Enjoy the ride mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 (edited) It shouldn't be a problem, as Gaston is available, but I think it's pretty obvious that Poch doesn't like him (probably doesn't track back enough). I agree. I would love to see Gaston get a run of games together with Osvaldo and Lallana now that we have no injuries in the team, but as you say..... What I saw in the first game against Everton from Gaston tells me he can do that job but probably not as efficient as someone like Davis who I think creates to little for his position... Edit: Unclear sentences... Edited 22 October, 2013 by Olallana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Why are you and Batman slatting Puncheon? He's still our player, helped us to where we are now and was only loaned out due to family problems. We are doing so well right now, why do you have to find negatives. Enjoy the ride mate I´m not slatting Puncheon at all, I asked if you can see the reasons to those subs we were talking about. And I´m finding negatives Mr "I-make-my-early-prediction-and-says-Osvaldo-dont-cut-it"....?? I have actually problems finding any negatives around our club at the moment, players we dont need has left (except for some that still are on the payroll) and much better players has arrived, we have the best Manager in the league and also one of the best chairmans possible. What´s to be negative about other than moaning morons on here? But you want to know my opinion of Puncheon? Flatters to decieve and imo very overrated on this board. Not because he isn´t a good player but because some (or a lot of) people on here thinks he´s the secret answer to our attacking. Our system clearly shows that we dont want a player putting his head down and trying to take on 3-4-5 opponents, we want the ball moving between players and therefor Puncheon isn´t suited for it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 One of worst performances I've ever seen in saints shirt. We were playing with ten men. J rod pants too. There must be a good reason why all of our strikers are finding it difficult to score freely at present. Defending deep when necessary and pressing quickly to the front has achieved much, but is not providing the goals. Perhaps the strikers do need a fraction more time on the ball, and a bit more creativity and supply from midfield might achieve this. VW is a massive midfield defender but I don't think he yet provides the same quick-witted clever forward thinking and inter-passing of the Cork/Spiderman partnership, and we are lacking a playmaker. Perhaps Jack - or Ramires -should be coming off the bench to provide more midfield creativity and better service to our forwards if scoring continues to be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 But you want to know my opinion of Puncheon? Flatters to decieve and imo very overrated Genuine question.... Whats changed you mind on Puncheon? I remember you wanted him signed to a long term contract not very long ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 It is a bit ironic that last season the general consensus was that Ramirez needed a striker with a bit of pace making the runs he needed to play balls through to. This season we have Osvaldo who just needs some creativity behind him to thread the ball into his path at the right time. I've been frustrated by Ramirez, but I am surprised MP hasn't combined the two a bit more. I'm not sure what will change to get Ramirez on the bench, then back onto the pitch for a league game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Genuine question.... Whats changed you mind on Puncheon? I remember you wanted him signed to a long term contract not very long ago? Nothing changed, never said I wanted a longterm contract for him but I think it was good to sign a new deal with him cause otherwise he would leave for free. Good business signing him up, and even though he went out on loan this season I´m sure we will get some money for him later on, or that he might be a squad player. Not sure he´d be happy to be a squad player but I dont see him as a regular starter. I can see clubs offer £2m for him and that´s better than having players leaving on a free, dont you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Nothing changed, never said I wanted a longterm contract for him Honesty is the best policy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Honesty is the best policy Yep as I said. Good business to sign him up. That post was made after a good game and only one month before he otherwise could start talking to other clubs. His value at the time was too high to risk losing him on a free. 2-3 yrs is not that longterm btw but that´s another discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 I can see him playing for us next season. Just got a feeling in my water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 I can see him playing for us next season. Just got a feeling in my water A feeling in your water dragged up a thread from October? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Do people honestly think we won't see Ossie in a saints shirt again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Is it just Fonte who's the problem? If so, a heard-headed business person might conclude that he should be the one to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Balls Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Is it just Fonte who's the problem? If so, a heard-headed business person might conclude that he should be the one to leave. Pretty tight knit group of players we have. Osvaldos antics alienated him. He'll need to do a hell of a lot of apologising. Then it'll be a case of actions speak louder than words. He won't keep his cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B Rabbit Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Strangely (maybe more hopeful than anything) I can see him coming back, leading the frontline and having a blinder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Pretty tight knit group of players we have. Osvaldos antics alienated him. He'll need to do a hell of a lot of apologising. Then it'll be a case of actions speak louder than words. He won't keep his cool. Yup, it's one thing signing a player who has "previous" under a manager who has a decent grasp of his psyche and thinks he can get the best from him. It's entirely another thing to welcome back a player who has proven he can't change under a new manager who is unlikely to have managed him before, and with a group of teammates who will have united against him. There would be no quicker way to destroy unity than by putting a known troublemaker back in the mix, especially if we're potentially losing key players who help define the squad's character. Fonte has a level of seniority and it would also feel he was being undermined. I completely agree about Osvaldo's potential, but as I may have mentioned, I just see him as a £15m credit note at the moment, he has no role at the club other than to be sold. Unfortunately, he's not going to the World Cup as anticipated earlier in the season, so that easy boost to his value has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 2 June, 2014 Share Posted 2 June, 2014 Pretty tight knit group of players we have. Osvaldos antics alienated him. He'll need to do a hell of a lot of apologising. Then it'll be a case of actions speak louder than words. He won't keep his cool. Not by the time they return for summer training!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 4 June, 2014 Share Posted 4 June, 2014 Strangely (maybe more hopeful than anything) I can see him coming back, leading the frontline and having a blinder.... You only have to look at Puncheon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallagroth Posted 4 June, 2014 Share Posted 4 June, 2014 You only have to look at Puncheon. Yeah Osvaldo would look great in Palace strip, someone get on the blower to Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 6 June, 2014 Share Posted 6 June, 2014 Linked with Inter today http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2014/06/southampton-striker-set-for-inter-move/? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 8 June, 2014 Share Posted 8 June, 2014 On the boat back from Aberdeen tonight . Spoke to these 3 Italian guys . I asked what I thought about Italy . Unless they beat England they are not going anywhere . I broached the subject of osvaldo . They said we paid far to much for him not worth that sort of money .i asked them what they thought if him and they said his head is messed up . Bad season and wrong move to England . But he. Needs to get his head sorted as he gas a screw loose . One guy who supports Roma called him a traitor on what he did to Roma . Despised the guy So it's not only us who thinks he's a nutter . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 June, 2014 Share Posted 9 June, 2014 On the boat back from Aberdeen tonight . Spoke to these 3 Italian guys . I asked what I thought about Italy . Unless they beat England they are not going anywhere . I broached the subject of osvaldo . They said we paid far to much for him not worth that sort of money .i asked them what they thought if him and they said his head is messed up . Bad season and wrong move to England . But he. Needs to get his head sorted as he gas a screw loose . One guy who supports Roma called him a traitor on what he did to Roma . Despised the guy So it's not only us who thinks he's a nutter . Didn´t they think it was a bit weird that you answered your own questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 9 June, 2014 Share Posted 9 June, 2014 fairly clear that we need to ship him off......somwhere......and soon. Another season at Juve ?....or cut our losses and take the next best bid to get some of our mis-spent Euro back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 9 June, 2014 Share Posted 9 June, 2014 Olallana Bloody iPad . No should be what they thought of Italy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 June, 2014 Share Posted 9 June, 2014 Olallana Bloody iPad . No should be what they thought of Italy . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 9 June, 2014 Share Posted 9 June, 2014 Good deal for all parties if they pay us a big loan fee and are willing to pay all his wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 June, 2014 Share Posted 9 June, 2014 Good deal for all parties if they pay us a big loan fee and are willing to pay all his wages. We'd almost certainly make/save more by selling him for £5M than another loan whilst his contact run down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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