doggface Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 Neither striker had a great game yesterday. Neither has had a great season either but quality moments. If one or both start firing god knows how high we can go. i rate osvaldo but he had a poor game, onto the next one I feel he is still adjusting to prem myself. Anyone writing him off is mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Can't be arsed to read back, but there have been posts from a few suggesting he's not suited to this league. Coming to that conclusion after 8 games is quite silly, in my opinion. 8 games is not long enough for a full assessment I'd agree. However if he scores 2 next week you'll be back with your told you so posts and waxing lyrical about the "best signing ever" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 8 games is not long enough for a full assessment I'd agree. However if he scores 2 next week you'll be back with your told you so posts and waxing lyrical about the "best signing ever" Thought he has only played 6 games for us? So if he goes on a run of bad games you and your posse won't be saying you told these people so right? I think even you Glasgow realise this thread is pretty embarrassing. It reminds me of the threads that Turkish put up at the start of the season saying we had not won in three games. To be making threads like that so early in the season when we have many new players is a joke. He had a poor game at the weekend. I was at the match. But in my opinion Rodriguez and Lambert (when he came on) were slightly worse. Osvaldo at least tried a few things, granted they didn't come off but you can see he has the self belief to try those things and on another day they pay off and we call him a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 (edited) Thought he has only played 6 games for us? So if he goes on a run of bad games you and your posse won't be saying you told these people so right? I think even you Glasgow realise this thread is pretty embarrassing. It reminds me of the threads that Turkish put up at the start of the season saying we had not won in three games. To be making threads like that so early in the season when we have many new players is a joke. He had a poor game at the weekend. I was at the match. But in my opinion Rodriguez and Lambert (when he came on) were slightly worse. Osvaldo at least tried a few things, granted they didn't come off but you can see he has the self belief to try those things and on another day they pay off and we call him a genius. I didnt start the thread, simply offering my views. A number on people will sit on the fence on here, but not me. I say it as i see it. Look at Ramirez.... 16 months on and posters still have no opinion. I said after his 4th game that he wouldnt cut it in the prem. For Osvaldo to justify his £14m fee he needs to score 15- 20 goals this season...... I just dont see this happening. Do you? Edited 22 October, 2013 by Glasgow_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 For Osvaldo to justify his £14m fee he needs to score 20+ goals this season...... According to who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 How many £12m+ strikers scored 20 the first season historically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 he had a shocker yesterday but got to give the guy a season before writing him off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Dzeko cost £27m but hasn't managed 20 goals in a season since joining City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Dzeko cost £27m but hasn't managed 20 goals in a season since joining City. Torres cost Chelsea £40m and has scored 15 league goals in 4 years. Carroll cost Liverpool £35 and scored 6 goals. Think it is safe to Glasgow is talking ******** again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Great examples guys lol Dzeko never plays, when he does he scores (30 from 50 odd starts) Torres and Carroll two of the biggest flops in the past few seasons pmsl I would expect Osvaldo to score 15-20 as will start every week. Not sure why the same people defending him think this is so unrealistic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Because it is unrealistic? Find some players who cost £12m that scored 20 goals in the league in their first season. I imagine there will be none. 10-15 goals is far more realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Certainly not going to write him off, but he needs to contribute a bit more. If you compare him to Lambert last season in terms of goals scored, assists, link-up play, Osvlado needs to give us a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Great examples guys lol Dzeko never plays, when he does he scores (30 from 50 odd starts) Torres and Carroll two of the biggest flops in the past few seasons pmsl I would expect Osvaldo to score 15-20 as will start every week. Not sure why the same people defending him think this is so unrealistic? Almost like he is Citys most profilic striker ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 People need to disconnect from the fee. seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 How long do you give someone to deliver? Rooney (£25m in 2004) took 3 seasons before he scored more than 20 in a season for Man U, Ronaldo (£12m in 2003) took 4 seasons, Bergkamp (£7.5m in 1995) took three seasons for arsenal. Osvaldo is not in their league, yet getting flak after 8 games!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Because it is unrealistic? Find some players who cost £12m that scored 20 goals in the league in their first season. I imagine there will be none. 10-15 goals is far more realistic. Bony has scored 7? Already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Certainly not going to write him off, but he needs to contribute a bit more. If you compare him to Lambert last season in terms of goals scored, assists, link-up play, Osvlado needs to give us a bit more. Thats all i want. Was boderline a disgrace on saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 People need to disconnect from the fee. seriously. If you disconnect from the fee then Ramirez would have been let go an awful long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Bony has scored 7? Already Haha nice one.... 2 in PL though in 7 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Thierry Henry took 8 games to score his first Arsenal goal...can't remember who it was against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 If you disconnect from the fee then Ramirez would have been let go an awful long time ago. Probably not. As I keep saying, take the fee out the equation, he contributed a higher combined total of Goals & Assists than Puncheon last year. Doing so in less games. Yet letting Puncheon go was an outrage and an awful decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Probably not. As I keep saying, take the fee out the equation, he contributed a higher combined total of Goals & Assists than Puncheon last year. Doing so in less games. Yet letting Puncheon go was an outrage and an awful decision. Don't think too many thought that it was an outrage or an awful decision, just a bit strange that we got rid of an attacking option, without bringing in a replacement or getting a sizeable fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Don't think too many thought that it was an outrage or an awful decision, just a bit strange that we got rid of an attacking option, without bringing in a replacement or getting a sizeable fee. Does anyone know we aren't getting a fee for the loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Does anyone know we aren't getting a fee for the loan? We might be, but unlikely it'll be sizeable relative to a decent sized transfer fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Not a sizeable one There was all sorts of whining when Puncheon went though. He's likeable, London lad and all that. Ramirez is foreign and expensive, and therefore not to be trusted. Same as Osvaldo and Wanyama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Not a sizeable one There was all sorts of whining when Puncheon went though. He's likeable, London lad and all that. Ramirez is foreign and expensive, and therefore not to be trusted. Same as Osvaldo and Wanyama. What the hell are you on about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 I'm suggesting that expensive foreign players have to be very good very quickly (Lovren) to offset a raft of doubters (the types that followed Ramirez, now follow Osvaldo and Wanyama). Fans are more patient and far more forgiving with English players. Luckily most are on the right side of reason with our new signings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 We might be, but unlikely it'll be sizeable relative to a decent sized transfer fee. Given our stance over Sharp, I'd be surprised if his wages aren't at least being covered also. So over the course of the season he either costs us nothing, or we make a small fee on him being elsewhere. The reason we won't get a substantial amount - he just isn't as good as people think he is. Should Ramirez go, as I said all summer, I'd imagine he would fetch a higher price and go to a team of much better quality than Crystal Palace. Anyway, this is not about Osvaldo. I've said before, many on here would have labelled Drogba an expensive failure after his first season (£24m was a lot more for a team to spend in 2004 than £24m now btw), and demanded his exit. Bet Chelsea are glad he stuck around eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 I'm suggesting that expensive foreign players have to be very good very quickly (Lovren) to offset a raft of doubters (the types that followed Ramirez, now follow Osvaldo and Wanyama). Fans are more patient and far more forgiving with English players. Expectations will always be high for any player signed for a high fee, for the obvious reasons. That would apply to a player either English or Foreign. None of this "foreign, so not trusted" s***e you've come out with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Expectations will always be high for any player signed for a high fee, for the obvious reasons. That would apply to a player either English or Foreign. None of this "foreign, so not trusted" s***e you've come out with. Did you read the Damiao thread over the summer? The amount of "I don't want no Carlos Kickball types" or "Urgh, another South American like Gaston" type comments on that thread alone would suggest there is more to it than you confess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Did you read the Damiao thread over the summer? The amount of "I don't want no Carlos Kickball types" or "Urgh, another South American like Gaston" type comments on that thread alone would suggest there is more to it than you confess. Being cynical about South Americans settling in English football (I don't agree with that point for what it's worth), is compltely different to the suggestion that fans get on players backs because they are foreign. Plenty of foreign players have been ridiculously well received at the club, even many with fairly average ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Being cynical about South Americans settling in English football (I don't agree with that point for what it's worth), is compltely different to the suggestion that fans get on players backs because they are foreign. Plenty of foreign players have been ridiculously well received at the club, even many with fairly average ability. I'm sorry, but that is exactly what it is. An English player wouldn't receive this sort of accusation, so it is therefore inherently because he is foreign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 I wouldn't go that far. It's more that doubt seems to set in quicker when the fans can't relate to the character, which is naturally more difficult with foreign players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 I'm sorry, but that is exactly what it is. An English player wouldn't receive this sort of accusation, so it is therefore inherently because he is foreign. No, you're saying that expensive foreign players get more stick than British ones. We haven't signed any expensive British players, so what are you comparing to? Nothing. Lallana came in for plenty of stick last season when he was under-performing, and he was a "free" through the academy. Look at Danny Fox, hardly an expensive foreign signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Not a sizeable one There was all sorts of whining when Puncheon went though. He's likeable, London lad and all that. Ramirez is foreign and expensive, and therefore not to be trusted. Same as Osvaldo and Wanyama. I always thought he was a jumped up arrogant plastic Cockney bellend too be honest, a player who would be handy at the moment for us though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 No, you're saying that expensive foreign players get more stick than British ones. We haven't signed any expensive British players, so what are you comparing to? Nothing. Lallana came in for plenty of stick last season when he was under-performing, and he was a "free" through the academy. Look at Danny Fox, hardly an expensive foreign signing. Ok fair point, and I guess there were also threads about J-Rod after just a couple of games too. Still, I do think fans get overly hung up on fees - in particular when they are foreign imports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 I sense a few more "just give him a season to settle" posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 I always thought he was a jumped up arrogant plastic Cockney bellend too be honest, a player who would be handy at the moment for us though. We are really struggling without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 I'm sorry, but that is exactly what it is. An English player wouldn't receive this sort of accusation, so it is therefore inherently because he is foreign. Hmmm, careful, sounds like your getting very close to calling some members of the forum xenophobes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 We are really struggling without him. Ramirez or Puncheon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoe Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 This week or soon Osvaldo is going to get a couple or lay a couple on, he has unboubted class, just needs to click for him. We needed a second striker to play alongside or take over from SRL and he's it He did a hell of a lot of pressing on Sat in his lone role up front, something SRL cant do because of his size. His movement was also good, but he didnt connect with his chance and played a few poor passes when well placed so for the Xbox football fans that aint good enough... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 I think that knock he took to his ankle threw him off his stride a bit, didn't look the same after he came back on from the physio treatment just before half time. Could also be partially down to the fact that he was quite isolated up top as Steven Davis dropped pretty deep to pick the ball up and Dani likes to play on the shoulder. He was trying the right things, but for one reason or another they didn't come off yesterday - probably due to the fact that Evans & Jones were very solid as a unit and gave him no time on the ball. Think Fulham and Stoke are big games for him now, get a goal or two and get his confidence up. Think Adam brings out the best in him too. I can't help but feel that Osvaldo's not so much of a confidence player, more of a attention player. I agree, the knock distracted him and he was playing catch up after that. I can't help but feel he needs to be brought into things a bit more, on and off the pitch. Get him feeling, if not loved, then a big part of things and I reckon he'll be pretty damn awesome. I'll be damned if I'll write him off so early on, it will take time to adjust to the more physical English game, where huff and puff is a pre requisite of any modern day Premiership player. I think any flair player gets this sort of attention at some stage in English football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 The fact that we have only created 4, I repeat, 4, clear cut chances this season means that perhaps we should give him some time, and perhaps some opportunities. Stats from Whoscored.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 The fact that we have only created 4, I repeat, 4, clear cut chances this season means that perhaps we should give him some time, and perhaps some opportunities. Stats from Whoscored.com. Agree, our problem so far is the number 10 position and distribution from midfield to strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 How long do you give someone to deliver? Rooney (£25m in 2004) took 3 seasons before he scored more than 20 in a season for Man U, Ronaldo (£12m in 2003) took 4 seasons, Bergkamp (£7.5m in 1995) took three seasons for arsenal. Osvaldo is not in their league, yet getting flak after 8 games!!! I think that pro-ratta that is about 4.5 goals a season which is roughly 3m a goal - at this rate. Wouldn't worry so much about the goals scored if the rest of the team contribution was up to the value we paid. Yes there is time but we have struggled to play flowing football with him in the team and his overal game has been very average 'plus' he doesn't look like scoring also..... Anyway let's se how he goes for another ten games whilst the other nine work their socks off for him meantime..... He might come good but looking at the evidence before us so far he has quite a bit to do - not just a little improvement. The rest of the team look great ( unless Fox plays) every one looking class but God there is often a groan when the ball goes to Osvaldo and he loses possession because a player of his value should be at least as good as what we have and at the moment He is lying 11th !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 The rest of the team look great ( unless Fox plays) every one looking class but God there is often a groan when the ball goes to Osvaldo and he loses possession because a player of his value should be at least as good as what we have and at the moment He is lying 11th !!! What are you on about? He had a bad game on Saturday but in other games his ball retention has been superb. What's the "lying 11th" gibberish about as well? Are you trying to say he's our worst player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 What are you on about? He had a bad game on Saturday but in other games his ball retention has been superb. What's the "lying 11th" gibberish about as well? Are you trying to say he's our worst player? Captainchris can't even use the website to buy tickets properly so I wouldn't worry too much about what he is saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirleysfc Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 Captainchris can't even use the website to buy tickets properly so I wouldn't worry too much about what he is saying. Fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 How many £12m+ strikers scored 20 the first season historically? Surely all that matters is how many shots he has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue Saint Posted 21 October, 2013 Share Posted 21 October, 2013 "CAPTAIN CHRIS" hmm... A skate perhaps me thinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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