Osvaldo

[manji]

F()cking hell, what sort of pr1ck do you have to be to turn on a player after less than 10 games. Totally embarrassing. Same people who probably rubbished Morgan, Lallana, Crouch, Marsden etc in their early days...

Good point well made.

[SuperMikey]

I think that knock he took to his ankle threw him off his stride a bit, didn't look the same after he came back on from the physio treatment just before half time. Could also be partially down to the fact that he was quite isolated up top as Steven Davis dropped pretty deep to pick the ball up and Dani likes to play on the shoulder. He was trying the right things, but for one reason or another they didn't come off yesterday - probably due to the fact that Evans & Jones were very solid as a unit and gave him no time on the ball.

 

Think Fulham and Stoke are big games for him now, get a goal or two and get his confidence up. Think Adam brings out the best in him too.

[JoeShmoe]

Interestingly SRL did little better when he came on. Jones and Evans are good defenders (how Jones is not their starting CB over Ferdinand is anyone's guess)

 

He will get better as he adapts to the league I think, can see him getting 3 or 4 goals quickly

[Glasgow_Saint]

We had the same posters calling foul after Gaston was called out early last season. Some peeps can spot talent some simply cant.

 

Time will tell whose right on Osvaldo.

 

Last year Gaston was excused for consistant poor performances with mental comments like "he's too good and our average players cant read his runs and world class passes" this year the excuses have started early again with "he's trying too hard" the early front runner.

 

Osvaldo was a passenger yesterday and stood out ...like a cruel, relentless joke.

 

I think he will get more oppurtunities than Gaston as mopo signed him and pressumably vouched for him.

 

Hope he comes good and after a few goals think he will

Edited 22 October, 2013 by Glasgow_Saint

[Barry Sanchez]

Interestingly SRL did little better when he came on. Jones and Evans are good defenders (how Jones is not their starting CB over Ferdinand is anyone's guess)

 

He will get better as he adapts to the league I think, can see him getting 3 or 4 goals quickly

 

I disagree Lambert looked interested and was looking for space all the time.

[Olallana]

We had the same posters calling foul after Gaston was called out early last season. Some peeps can spot talent some simply cant.

 

Time will tell whose right on Osvaldo.

 

Last year Gaston was excused for consistant poor performances with mental comments like "he's too good and our average players cant read his runs and world class passes" this year the excuses have started early again with "he's trying too hard" the early front runner.

 

Osvaldo was a passenger yesterday and stood out ...like a cruel, relentless joke.

 

I think he will get more oppurtunities than Gaston as mopo signed him and pressumably vouched for him.

 

Hope he comes good, but not convinced.

 

Anyone saying Gaston aint got talent can never be taken seriously though.

[shirleysfc]

Anyone saying Gaston aint got talent can never be taken seriously though.

 

That's the point he's making, he can't spot talent.

[S-Clarke]

That's the point he's making, he can't spot talent.

 

At least he's being honest.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

We had the same posters calling foul after Gaston was called out early last season. Some peeps can spot talent some simply cant.

 

Time will tell whose right on Osvaldo.

 

Last year Gaston was excused for consistant poor performances with mental comments like "he's too good and our average players cant read his runs and world class passes" this year the excuses have started early again with "he's trying too hard" the early front runner.

 

Osvaldo was a passenger yesterday and stood out ...like a cruel, relentless joke.

 

I think he will get more oppurtunities than Gaston as mopo signed him and pressumably vouched for him.

 

Hope he comes good, but not convinced.

 

You hold the award for the most persistent of "expert opinion" posters on here but sadly your

view is just playing to your fellow "experts" and not a real reflection on actual events.

 

Shame your spelling contains less of your "expertise"

[Saint Benali]

Just wow at this thread....

 

Seems some moaners are starting to crack what with not being able to complain for sometime due to our success. T

How anyone can even think of anything negative after getting only our 2nd ever point in the PL at old Trafford is beyond me..

 

I think some people need to go read up what "supporter" actually means..

[Glasgow_Saint]

Just wow at this thread....

 

Seems some moaners are starting to crack what with not being able to complain for sometime due to our success. T

How anyone can even think of anything negative after getting only our 2nd ever point in the PL at old Trafford is beyond me..

 

I think some people need to go read up what "supporter" actually means..

 

I think praise has been allocated where needed.... Look on the main board the same people that are questioning Osvaldo have been praising Mopo, Morgan, Adam, Clyne, Wanyama ect ect.

 

This thread is about Osvaldo and at the moment he divides opinion. Watching him yesterday he was frustrating..... I was a big voice for Lukaku and said that Osvaldo wouldnt suit the prem. until im proved wrong I stand by my assesment.

[Dig Dig]

I think I am getting the hang of this talent assessment now.

 

Attacker who is foreign and signed from the continent = unsuited to the prem, lightweight, uninterested, overpriced and poor temperament.

[RedArmy]

Baffled that anyone can say he had a BAD game yesterday?!

 

He is clearly a cut above most of our squad, and does things that you can't always expect players that have come from league one to be able to read in a split second like players Osvaldo is probably used to playing with.

 

There were a couple of things he did in and around the box yesterday that if he did in a united shirt with RVP/Rooney running in behind him, we would've got spanked.

[Gemmel]

I think it is clear to most posters this team is still work in progress. Poch has clearly prioritised fitness (I had almost written Lallana off a couple of months ago) and making sure all players are capable of defending. Any fan can see we are by far not the finished article and as far as I can see we can only get better. I am confident Poch will already be planning to improve our attack which will clearly include Osvaldo. Be patient.

I watched the game from a pub in town and there was a "fan" near me who spent the whole game slagging Osvaldo off and left early(it must be in the genes)......

 

And that's what make thing so exciting for me. We are where we are on merit and we know there is still more to come. For those fans at the match yesterday that were giving him some stick, they must have forgotten which player broke up and cleared utd's first three attacks.

 

The irony for me is that the type of player we seem to be missing is Gaston and we would all be drooling if we hadn't already signed him, but were linked to him in January.

 

I thought GR would have a massive season for us, but it doesn't look like that chance will come. Given where we are in the league, how we are playing and the tactics that MP has used to achieve that, it is with regret, that we have to respect that decision and accept he isn't long for this world in a Saints shirt. Osvaldo on the other hand will be here as long as he wants to stay and if the doubters want to carry on squinnying, fine, but they are the ones missing out

[JoeShmoe]

I think praise has been allocated where needed.... Look on the main board the same people that are questioning Osvaldo have been praising Mopo, Morgan, Adam, Clyne, Wanyama ect ect.

 

This thread is about Osvaldo and at the moment he divides opinion. Watching him yesterday he was frustrating..... I was a big voice for Lukaku and said that Osvaldo wouldnt suit the prem. until im proved wrong I stand by my assesment.

 

I'm inclined to give the Italian national teams centre forward the benefit of the doubt and a little bit of time to adjust before saying he won't suit the prem

[Mr X]

Along with Ramirez it would seem he's not ideally suited to the English game plenty of time left to be proved wrong though. I have more faith that Osvaldo will click than Gaston

[Barry Sanchez]

I think I am getting the hang of this talent assessment now.

 

Attacker who is foreign and signed from the continent = unsuited to the prem, lightweight, uninterested, overpriced and poor temperament.

 

Is that assessment wrong or have to completely unwittingly agreed with what you are against?

[Barry Sanchez]

I'm inclined to give the Italian national teams centre forward the benefit of the doubt and a little bit of time to adjust before saying he won't suit the prem

 

Is he Italy's centre forward or is he similar to the role that Lambert plays for England, as and when, and if both dont start scoring they both wont be going to the World Cup.

[Batman]

Is he Italy's centre forward or is he similar to the role that Lambert plays for England, as and when, and if both dont start scoring they both wont be going to the World Cup.

 

you tell us?

[Saint_clark]

Baffled that anyone can say he had a BAD game yesterday?!

 

He is clearly a cut above most of our squad, and does things that you can't always expect players that have come from league one to be able to read in a split second like players Osvaldo is probably used to playing with.

 

There were a couple of things he did in and around the box yesterday that if he did in a united shirt with RVP/Rooney running in behind him, we would've got spanked.

 

This old line is ridiculous as well, and not only that it's incredibly insulting to the likes of Lallana, Ward-Prowse, Lambert and Schneiderlin to essentially say they aren't good enough to play with Osvaldo.

 

One of the things I assume you're referring to was the cut back from the right hand side which went to no-one - that wasn't due to him being ahead of everyone else, that was due to him not paying attention and trying to pass to the sodding referee!

There was another opportunity in the box where Davis read the play excellently, made an overlapping run and then Osvaldo played the ball straight at him rather than ahead of him, meaning Davis had to lay it off to Shaw where he could of got a shot off with a better pass.

 

I am ecstatic with the result yesterday, and I have been a big fan of Osvaldo, AND I think he will be very good for us. None of that detracts from the fact however that yesterday his performance was below par. Not going mental about it, not demanding he be dropped, not saying he's a waste of money. He just had a bad game.

[Barry Sanchez]

I think I have, Gillardino and Balotelli are well ahead of him.

[St_Tel49]

I think praise has been allocated where needed.... Look on the main board the same people that are questioning Osvaldo have been praising Mopo, Morgan, Adam, Clyne, Wanyama ect ect.

 

This thread is about Osvaldo and at the moment he divides opinion. Watching him yesterday he was frustrating..... I was a big voice for Lukaku and said that Osvaldo wouldnt suit the prem. until im proved wrong I stand by my assesment.

Being a big voice for Lukako is scarcely being perceptive. It was never on because we don't do loans these days.

Edited 20 October, 2013 by St_Tel49
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[Barry Sanchez]

Who is the Lukako, the interior minister for the Gambia?

[captainchris]

We had the same posters calling foul after Gaston was called out early last season. Some peeps can spot talent some simply cant.

 

Time will tell whose right on Osvaldo.

 

Last year Gaston was excused for consistant poor performances with mental comments like "he's too good and our average players cant read his runs and world class passes" this year the excuses have started early again with "he's trying too hard" the early front runner.

 

Osvaldo was a passenger yesterday and stood out ...like a cruel, relentless joke.

 

I think he will get more oppurtunities than Gaston as mopo signed him and pressumably vouched for him.

 

Hope he comes good, but not convinced.

 

Glasgow - well said. Someone on here said you can't judge a player after ten games, however if after ten games he is going backwards, after how many games one wonders can you start to frame an opinion ?

 

He was a very long way short of a decent performance yesterday and is starting to display a consistancy of poor performances - just like Gaston really........You cannot keep picking players 'hoping' they will pick up. Looking at his commmittment when he loses the ball too, I very much doubt this is going anywhere - touch, control, shooting, heading all very average....

Ricky is twice the player...

[S-Clarke]

You'd think, that after the Morgan v wotton thread was bounced back up, people would kind of think twice about overly committing their opinions on a new foreign edition.

 

In fact, I think it is utterly, utterly ridiculous that it's even being questioned that he may not make it here.

[Barry Sanchez]

People judged Ali Dia after a few minutes, I was outside the Dell the next day demanding that he be given at least half a season.................................

[Saint_clark]

I was a big voice for Lukaku and said that Osvaldo wouldnt suit the prem. until im proved wrong I stand by my assesment.

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?46620-Best-transfer-window-EVER!&highlight=osvaldo#.UmRAVVOutNs

 

Woke up this morning a just shouted "THANK YOU"

 

Signed 3 x internationals

 

Kept Shaw, Spider, Cork, Wanyama, Ramirez, Lambert, Jrod, Lallana, Boruc, Clyne, JWP ect ect

 

The future is BRIGHT! Its happening imho

 

You really do talk some sh*t you know.

[Saint_clark]

You'd think, that after the Morgan v wotton thread was bounced back up, people would kind of think twice about overly committing their opinions on a new foreign edition.

 

In fact, I think it is utterly, utterly ridiculous that it's even being questioned that he may not make it here.

 

Ignoring Glasgow, has anyone actually said he wouldn't make it here?

[whelk]

If you were Arsenal fans you would be the same ones that slagged off Ramsey, called for Wenger's head and then take credit for putting pressure on him to buy someone like Ozil.

[S-Clarke]

Ignoring Glasgow, has anyone actually said he wouldn't make it here?

 

Can't be arsed to read back, but there have been posts from a few suggesting he's not suited to this league. Coming to that conclusion after 8 games is quite silly, in my opinion.

[Forester]

At present, and in the spirit of not writing someone off too soon, he isn't sharp enough or resilient enough, to play Premier League football. That's also true of Gaston.

 

You can have loads of talent, but you need to match that with the right attitude. The MoPo style does not leave room for passengers. So lets hope he gets up with it quickly, or else it may be a case of talented player, but not right for us in this team

[whelk]

At present, and in the spirit of not writing someone off too soon, he isn't sharp enough or resilient enough, to play Premier League football. That's also true of Gaston.

 

You can have loads of talent, but you need to match that with the right attitude. The MoPo style does not leave room for passengers. So lets hope he gets up with it quickly, or else it may be a case of talented player, but not right for us in this team

 

Yeah no room for Zola or Silva or Oscar - need to look after yourself in the big boys league. Playing against Palace, Hull, Fulham is far more demanding than playing for Italy. what was Poch thinking signing him. This fool needs to go as it is mistake after mistake with him.

[Barry Sanchez]

Yeah no room for Zola or Silva or Oscar - need to look after yourself in the big boys league. Playing against Palace, Hull, Fulham is far more demanding than playing for Italy. what was Poch thinking signing him. This fool needs to go as it is mistake after mistake with him.

 

You get far more space playing international football and he has been quoted as saying this League is to physical, Zola, Silva and Oscar are a different League to Osvaldo, come on get real.

[Olallana]

You get far more space playing international football and he has been quoted as saying this League is to physical, Zola, Silva and Oscar are a different League to Osvaldo, come on get real.

 

Yes, a made up lie from the Mirror and others since he never said that.

[whelk]

You get far more space playing international football and he has been quoted as saying this League is to physical, Zola, Silva and Oscar are a different League to Osvaldo, come on get real.

 

Tbh I didn't know much about him until we were linked. But I know enough that Poch knows more than me so I will be supportive. As said previously not saying don't criticise him but far too early to write him off. Silva had a very patchy first season but good players adjust to pace and physical aspect.

[dan abnormal]

6 starts is it? would give him at least 15-20 before you start judging. I think he was a top signing and will score a fair few

[Barry Sanchez]

Tbh I didn't know much about him until we were linked. But I know enough that Poch knows more than me so I will be supportive. As said previously not saying don't criticise him but far too early to write him off. Silva had a very patchy first season but good players adjust to pace and physical aspect.

 

 

The issue there is City can spend 100's of millions of various players seeing and waiting for them to gel as some are bound to, we have not got that kind of cash and never will have.

[Barry Sanchez]

Yes, a made up lie from the Mirror and others since he never said that.

 

Well regardless to truth or not, he has not disproved that has he? You have not mentioned the examples of the quality of the players compared to either, they simply are a different class to Osvaldo.

[shirleysfc]

You get far more space playing international football

 

Yeah, of course you do.

[Olallana]

Well regardless to truth or not, he has not disproved that has he? You have not mentioned the examples of the quality of the players compared to either, they simply are a different class to Osvaldo.

 

So players should go out and talk about every article written?

 

Actually he has disproved it in a way since he made an interview that is the base for Mirrors made up story. In that interview he said that PL is more physical than Serie A and La Liga but not at all that it was too physical in any way.

 

I never said anything about other players quality so why should I mention anything now, am I obliged to mention things about what someone else on here mentions?

 

 

Edit.

Btw, he DID disprove it after the mirror article was published....

 

Dani Osvaldo ‏@danistone25 okt 7

I'm happy in the premier league and i Love Southampton !!! I do not understand why false things write...

[Barry Sanchez]

Yeah, of course you do.

 

Surely you do, yes you do Shirley.

[Barry Sanchez]

So players should go out and talk about every article written?

 

Actually he has disproved it in a way since he made an interview that is the base for Mirrors made up story. In that interview he said that PL is more physical than Serie A and La Liga but not at all that it was too physical in any way.

 

I never said anything about other players quality so why should I mention anything now, am I obliged to mention things about what someone else on here mentions?

 

Oh the old grammar error to try and win a point, ha ha, what a blend.

[Olallana]

Oh the old grammar error to try and win a point, ha ha, what a blend.

 

it´s not a grammar error if the whole sentence gets a completely different meaning to it.

 

Big difference if someone says this league is more physical than others than if he would say it is too physical...

[Barry Sanchez]

If you knew what it meant why point it out? Small man syndrome, there was no need was there? I would also check your previous post if I were you.

 

Back to football, the issue is whether there is any truth in it or not now is moot as he is proving the truth/lie correct by his performances.

[Olallana]

If you knew what it meant why point it out? Small man syndrome, there was no need was there? I would also check your previous post if I were you.

 

Back to football, the issue is whether there is any truth in it or not now is moot as he is proving the truth/lie correct by his performances.

 

I knew, maybe everyone that visit this forum didn´t so correcting lies being told could only be for the good of it.

[Barry Sanchez]

I knew, maybe everyone that visit this forum didn´t so correcting lies being told could only be for the good of it.

 

I have no issue with that, it was the issue with your pedantic nature of pointing out a typo to score a point, and then in irony balls up the following post with poor grammar only makes you look a tit, we are on a forum not in an Ivy League University.

[Roger]

Baffled that anyone can say he had a BAD game yesterday?!

 

He is clearly a cut above most of our squad, and does things that you can't always expect players that have come from league one to be able to read in a split second like players Osvaldo is probably used to playing with.

 

There were a couple of things he did in and around the box yesterday that if he did in a united shirt with RVP/Rooney running in behind him, we would've got spanked.

 

Rubbish he was pants yesterday.

[tedmaul]

I have no issue with that, it was the issue with your pedantic nature of pointing out a typo to score a point, and then in irony balls up the following post with poor grammar only makes you look a tit, we are on a forum not in an Ivy League University.

 

Why don't you go **** yourself And perhaps try and support each player who pulls on a saints shirt.

[Dig Dig]

Is that assessment wrong or have to completely unwittingly agreed with what you are against?

 

No, when we sign players from abroad for a decent amount of money I sit and scrutinise and declare after half a dozen or so games that that they are crap and not suited to the league.

[Fowllyd]

Is that assessment wrong or have to completely unwittingly agreed with what you are against?

 

No, when we sign players from abroad for a decent amount of money I sit and scrutinise and declare after half a dozen or so games that that they are crap and not suited to the league.

 

Bloody hell - did you actually understand Barry's gibberish? Couldn't make head or tail of it myself...