Roger Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 I think Chros Nicholl subbed him a lot in the early days Difference he was 17, him sand shearer were protected. But you could see he was class from 1st min Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Unlike Ramirez, Osvaldo will come good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Unlike Ramirez, Osvaldo will come good. Hope so, just commenting on today but he's not been v good so far IMO. Doesn't mean he won't come good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Hope so, just commenting on today but he's not been v good so far IMO. Doesn't mean he won't come good Sure, its fair comment. I just think with Osvaldo its a question of adjusting. With Ramirez I don't think his whole game style suits either the club or the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Sure, its fair comment. I just think with Osvaldo its a question of adjusting. With Ramirez I don't think his whole game style suits either the club or the league. Ramirez doesn't hunt ball enough. He is class tho and young. We will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Can't be bothered reading through this due to the inevitable numpty comments I'd have to trawl through. I didn't see the game today but from what was said on 5 live and what I've seen before, I think he may be trying too hard. I think Rickie's been doing the same. Unfortunately the astronomical sums footballers earn these days means that many fans have no sympathy if a player doesn't hit the ground running from the word go. Unfortunately it's rarely that simple. The way I look at it, his past record and MP's faith in him, make it more likely than not that he'll be a success. Not guaranteed I know but worth having a little patience to find out. One thing's for sure, if the fans get on his back he'll be off. Anyway, if we're in this position without our forwards hitting any form, I look forward to the day it all begins to click. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Couple of point: 1 - IMO, fans really need to disconnect the price tag from what is produced on the pitch. On the pitch, on the day, the price tag doesn't matter, and to use it as some kind of barometer for how good someone should be is a false, one-way argument only. If you want to debate the price tag, fine, but level the questions at the people who paid it... Osvaldo had no say in that. 2 - His career record clearly shows that he has ability, so no one should be (and I don't think anyone is) writing him off. On the contrary, I feel that to be in the position we are in, with the points and results gained so far, despite him clearly not quite being at his best yet, is a positive thing. Think how much better we can be once he is firing. 3 - On Osvaldo himself, it will take him some time to adapt to the Premier League. There are numerous times at present where he is a little too casual on the ball and defender nip it away from him quicker than he is clearly expecting. This will improve. Just look at most of the players still with us, who came up from the Championship... there was a clear, steep learning curve for them all to be quicker in the head, quicker on the ball, sharper with their passing etc, etc. Pochettino knows him better than any of us and he has earned our respect and the right to call it as he sees it. I have no doubt he'll drop him if he feels the need, but as much as we love Rickie, it's not like either of them are exactly on fire. He does need to improve IMO, but it is far too early to make any finite judgements. All in all, I think we should be positive about the fact that we are not quite firing on all cylinders, but find ourselves in the upper echelons of the league. Be positive, and who knows what we could achieve. If Osvaldo can become a bigger part of that then we'd all be happy. Agree with points and I think MP wants to play with Osvaldo upfront; but we will only see the best of him when we play a Ramirez type talent to provide the defence splitting pass. If Ramirez is not seen as the answer then I think he will look to buy one in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 (edited) I want to see Ramirez and Osvaldo in the same team. I'm convinced they would link up well Edited 19 October, 2013 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Can't be bothered reading through this due to the inevitable numpty comments I'd have to trawl through. I didn't see the game today but from what was said on 5 live and what I've seen before, I think he may be trying too hard. I think Rickie's been doing the same. Unfortunately the astronomical sums footballers earn these days means that many fans have no sympathy if a player doesn't hit the ground running from the word go. Unfortunately it's rarely that simple. The way I look at it, his past record and MP's faith in him, make it more likely than not that he'll be a success. Not guaranteed I know but worth having a little patience to find out. One thing's for sure, if the fans get on his back he'll be off. Anyway, if we're in this position without our forwards hitting any form, I look forward to the day it all begins to click. Too much common sense there Mulklet... for this ere 'Mongboard' TM (how hilarious is that)... Price tag means folks expect - fair enough, but if you look at the two them the problems seems obvious imho. Ramirez - Has the skill, can read the game very well and we have seen gimpses of what he is capable of that show he has the class. His problem seems he has struggled to adapt to the speed and physical aspects of the Prem. Too often he is simply muscled out and he is not a player to 'get stuck in' which is sadly a classic cry of many a terrace.... In the right league, with the right protection, he will be good, if he learns to stand up and be more physical. I would hate to see us give up on him for a simple reason that he has shown he has class in a pass.... ...which leads nicely to Osvaldo. Clearly a good striker - his performances for italy show that and he has shown glimpses... but what most dont seem to see is that he does move into good spaces or is ready to make a good run, but our midfield dont yet pick it up. A reason why it may be taking longer than expected is that I dont think MP ha squite worked out how to get the best out of RL and DO +/- JRod - and the formation with all the pocession in midfield raises the expectations for that killer pass and movement - Clear to all its not working... yet.. by the low number of goals ... will it come good?, Will MPO work it out? Hope so, but even if not, does nmot make these guys bad players. I suspect there are Some who still have issues with the club for whom their failure is welcome - as it provides an easy criticism given their price tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Was downright awful today. No other way of describing or defending that 'performance' Got a well deserved point in spite of him today. Calls for Guly (lol) to replace him summed up his woeful afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloydie Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 4 out of the last 5 threads you've created have been about Gaston/Osvaldo? We're playing fantastically right now, why the need for obssesive criticism over our players? However, if you're looking to troll maybe just try another angle for a bit, it will make it appear less obvious as currently your agenda has the subtlety of a hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Was downright awful today. No other way of describing or defending that 'performance' Got a well deserved point in spite of him today. Calls for Guly (lol) to replace him summed up his woeful afternoon Keep this up and you'll definitely cement your place as a top five poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Was downright awful today. No other way of describing or defending that 'performance' Got a well deserved point in spite of him today. Calls for Guly (lol) to replace him summed up his woeful afternoon I know this is all about opinions and all that but are you serious? Guly for Osvaldo sorry what al oad of ********! Sure he played poorly today so? What is wrong with our dumb supporters - perhaps we should replace him with De Ridder? Seriously let him settle - this is ridiculous... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 I know this is all about opinions and all that but are you serious? Guly for Osvaldo sorry what al oad of ********! Sure he played poorly today so? What is wrong with our dumb supporters - perhaps we should replace him with De Ridder? Seriously let him settle - this is ridiculous... There will be posts asking for Sharp to replace him lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Still don't think he's getting the best service from the midfield. He is getting service but he doesnt create space for himself to receive the ball, he's actually quite static at times. More often than not he receives the ball flat footed and just gets the ball knicked off him... In contrast JWP always instantly makes himself half a yard to bring the ball under control and use it. Thought JWP was immense when he came on .... We moved the ball much quicker when he came on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Sorry, but i'm just leaving the ground and he was abysmal today. Nothing to do with lack of service because he did get it. I'm a big fan but he should have been taken off instead of Rodriguez as he was having a terrible game. This. Exactly what the commentators on the feed I was watching said and if I'm honest I agree.he looked a bit lost today,and if you imagine the team as machine he was a cog that was spinning the wrong way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Post of the year. I liked the post......but really??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 MP will sort it out. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Am a little bit surprised that there hasn't been mention on this thread of the (possibly not all that accidental) stamp on his foot by that thug Fellaini. Can't have made it easy for Osvaldo to play after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 This guy will be great for us. Stick with him. Look at Jovetic, he has done barely anything yet would you write him off!? We need more flare from midfield ie. that player who will read Osvaldo's clever movement/runs. We have an awesome player in our squad and the fact that he is still bedding in and we are sitting in 4th beggars belief. What a time it is to be a Saints fan!! Enjoy it and get behind the players who need it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Osvaldo has a pedigree of success. Not uncommon for strikers to take time to bed in after playing in Serie A, I give you Denis Bergkamp as evidence. Didn't see the game today but have seen most of the others. His movement is good and he is an intelligent player, that much is clear. I've been disappointed with his first touch and poise, hoping that will improve as he gets more confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 He seems to give up far too easy watching the highlights back, closes down the keeper only begrudgingly. Hopefully it was just tiredness from his Italy performances - but he really was awful today. Don't buy into the whole "his runs are too intelligent for our players"...and how the hell can anyone be trying TOO hard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Sorry, but i'm just leaving the ground and he was abysmal today. Nothing to do with lack of service because he did get it. I'm a big fan but he should have been taken off instead of Rodriguez as he was having a terrible game. Just watched the first half, and all I can say is that he must have been absolutely dreadful in the second half to warrant a tag of "abysmal". We will soon see after the ads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 At least he gives a **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Just watched the first half, and all I can say is that he must have been absolutely dreadful in the second half to warrant a tag of "abysmal". We will soon see after the ads First half highlights were flattering to be honest. And yes, he was worse in the second. Hopefully just an off day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 First half highlights were flattering to be honest. And yes, he was worse in the second. Hopefully just an off day. Well - no show stopping performance for sure, but I can't help thinking that he is being judged by his price tag rather than performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 At least he gives a **** Can't you post it the right way up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Well - no show stopping performance for sure, but I can't help thinking that he is being judged by his price tag rather than performance. Not at all. Judging him by his effectiveness on the pitch, which just wasn't good enough. With the opportunities he had - the one on one, messing up the lay off to Davis, dawdling on the ball in United box - we could have actually won today. That's what's so frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Can't you post it the right way up? Nope, fricking Apple, hence the delete! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 he has yet to impress me yet, doesn't seem to be able to take on and beat a man, doesn't win anything in the air and can't hold it up with ball bouncing off him. fingers crossed he can turn it around and start performing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 I like what I see of Osvaldo, and am convinced he'll come good. His flicks, his touches, they're a class above. I do think he's trying too hard at the moment, but he has to - a place at the World Cup as Italy's main striker is under threat - and this perhaps is the main reason I believe he'll come good. 3 "lesser" teams coming up - a chance for him to fill his boots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 I like what I see of Osvaldo, and am convinced he'll come good. His flicks, his touches, they're a class above. I do think he's trying too hard at the moment, but he has to - a place at the World Cup as Italy's main striker is under threat - and this perhaps is the main reason I believe he'll come good. 3 "lesser" teams coming up - a chance for him to fill his boots? dunno. they are all half decent, Hull have some good players and stoke are strong it will be like west ham at home again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Today he looked like Gashton mark 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 dunno. they are all half decent, Hull have some good players and stoke are strong it will be like west ham at home again Why not Swansea at home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grezz Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 ...and how the hell can anyone be trying TOO hard? An eagerness to justify his reputation, fit in, his price-tag, please the fans.....causing him to do things he would not ordinarily do if he was in a more relaxed frame of mind. He had a bad game but it wasn't his poor execution which was the key point for me. It was his poor decision making caused, I believe, by some of those things I mentioned at the start. I think he put extra pressure on himself after his early miss and he went downhill from there. That is trying too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 I like what I see of Osvaldo, and am convinced he'll come good. His flicks, his touches, they're a class above. I do think he's trying too hard at the moment, but he has to - a place at the World Cup as Italy's main striker is under threat - and this perhaps is the main reason I believe he'll come good. 3 "lesser" teams coming up - a chance for him to fill his boots? Italys main striker? Either creative license with that or you dont know the Italian football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 (edited) Today he looked like Gashton mark 2. I called Gaston early on last season and took some stick for it.... Most now fully agree with me on him. Will judge Osvaldo after a season to settle Edited 22 October, 2013 by Glasgow_Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 (edited) Just a bad day at the office and nothing more? I didn't notice that he was "bad" at all. He missed one chance and that was due to the pass being behind him, which itself was almost necessary due to the position of the defender the pass had to miss. I've seen Lambert and numerous other strikers do the same thing in the same position, and Welbeck didn't even manage to control the ball never mind have a shot from a similar chance against Poland. Other than that, the way we play tends to mean that we don't create that many clear-cut chances for strikers - which is how we can get 18 shots against Man U without the BBC feeling they need to show more than 3 of them. And it's long been a feature of good top flight teams that their strikers often don't move until they're directly involved in the phase of play - I don't get it myself as I think it makes them easy to mark, but plenty of players (eg Mario Balotelli) often don't do anything much until the ball is in the final third. Edited 20 October, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 I called Gaston early on last season and took some stick for it.... Most now fully agree with me on him. Calling this one early again.... Not good enough im afraid What?!! You do know he is an Italian international CF? A handful of games in a new country with new teammates and will need time to bed in, He is clearly class and MP knows what he needs and knows the player well so have some faith man. I'm not saying don't criticise (I was bit concerned about Wanyama after Norwich) game but saying not good enough is crazy. Series A is not a Mickey Mouse league you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 Well guly hardly plays, gaston looks like he is on his way out, that leaves no one to vent the spleen at. Better cast about for another whipping boy. as a thought, if we are going to lambast every pricey signing after just eight games, why would anyone decent want to play for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 (edited) :)I really despair at some of our posters re our players:mcinnes: WUM I can understand:rolleyes: But true Saints fans...after a great day for Saints:( I think most will come round when he starts banging them in... Look at Morgan when he first started at Saints.........CRAAAP Edited 20 October, 2013 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 Couple of point: 1 - IMO, fans really need to disconnect the price tag from what is produced on the pitch. On the pitch, on the day, the price tag doesn't matter, and to use it as some kind of barometer for how good someone should be is a false, one-way argument only. If you want to debate the price tag, fine, but level the questions at the people who paid it... Osvaldo had no say in that. 2 - His career record clearly shows that he has ability, so no one should be (and I don't think anyone is) writing him off. On the contrary, I feel that to be in the position we are in, with the points and results gained so far, despite him clearly not quite being at his best yet, is a positive thing. Think how much better we can be once he is firing. 3 - On Osvaldo himself, it will take him some time to adapt to the Premier League. There are numerous times at present where he is a little too casual on the ball and defender nip it away from him quicker than he is clearly expecting. This will improve. Just look at most of the players still with us, who came up from the Championship... there was a clear, steep learning curve for them all to be quicker in the head, quicker on the ball, sharper with their passing etc, etc. Pochettino knows him better than any of us and he has earned our respect and the right to call it as he sees it. I have no doubt he'll drop him if he feels the need, but as much as we love Rickie, it's not like either of them are exactly on fire. He does need to improve IMO, but it is far too early to make any finite judgements. All in all, I think we should be positive about the fact that we are not quite firing on all cylinders, but find ourselves in the upper echelons of the league. Be positive, and who knows what we could achieve. If Osvaldo can become a bigger part of that then we'd all be happy. well said Minty. Think you put a lot of people's thoughts together in one post. Suggest you re-post this one after evey game - especially the one after he scores his first hat-trick ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 F()cking hell, what sort of pr1ck do you have to be to turn on a player after less than 10 games. Totally embarrassing. Same people who probably rubbished Morgan, Lallana, Crouch, Marsden etc in their early days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulletsaint Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 F()cking hell, what sort of pr1ck do you have to be to turn on a player after less than 10 games. Totally embarrassing. Same people who probably rubbished Morgan, Lallana, Crouch, Marsden etc in their early days... Too many bell ends on here mate, hence cutting down on my levels of posting recently. Anyway it's my birthday today so I'm going to bugger off and enjoy it and leave you lot to it. See you next week. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 F()cking hell, what sort of pr1ck do you have to be to turn on a player after less than 10 games. Totally embarrassing. Same people who probably rubbished Morgan, Lallana, Crouch, Marsden etc in their early days... Not turning on him, think he will be good but was v poor yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 he was poor yesterday, you dont get 'many' chances against the top sides and his one yesterday....he had to do far better. that is nothing to do with his price tag but more his pedigree he has come with. I really believe he will come good and get double figures this season. the next 3 games...he has to score at least 1, surely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 Some of the posters on this thread should be ashamed of themselves and look elsewhere for a team to support... The crowd is, as normal led by the usual clowns, those that claim to be so knowledgeable. No need to name but they know who they are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 Osvaldo will come good, he's a quality player, but make no mistake about it he was crap yesterday. Keep the faith though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 F()cking hell, what sort of pr1ck do you have to be to turn on a player after less than 10 games. Totally embarrassing. Same people who probably rubbished Morgan, Lallana, Crouch, Marsden etc in their early days... I'm not turning on him at all, just saying he was poor yesterday. He was the lone striker and as such the focal point of the team, but more often than not our attacking play fizzled out when it reached him. Only glasgow has written him off and we all know he doesn't actually have an opinion on anything, so why the abuse from you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manji Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 I think it is clear to most posters this team is still work in progress. Poch has clearly prioritised fitness (I had almost written Lallana off a couple of months ago) and making sure all players are capable of defending. Any fan can see we are by far not the finished article and as far as I can see we can only get better. I am confident Poch will already be planning to improve our attack which will clearly include Osvaldo. Be patient. I watched the game from a pub in town and there was a "fan" near me who spent the whole game slagging Osvaldo off and left early(it must be in the genes)...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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