ALWAYS_SFC Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Just a bad day at the office and nothing more? Not at his best but in no way deserving of some of the comments
Saint Charlie Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Just didn't come off but he was trying the right things.
Nigel=God-Poyet=Sod Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Why the negativity? We just got a great point away at Old Trafford and played really well, but still we get these downbeat threads. Osvaldo tried hard, it didn't happen for him today, but he didn't do that intentionally. Let's enjoy this result please.
Yate Saint Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Looked like he was getting a bit frustrated. He might be trying too hard but I hope he scores next week to give him a another boost.
Sheaf Saint Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 As I just posted on the post-match thread... If the rest of our attacking players could start playing decent balls into the box or hitting quality through balls, then Osvaldo would have got a few more goals so far and we wouldn't even be debating his effectiveness. He's clearly a quality player who has strength as well as ability, and I have no doubt whatsoever that he will start banging them in sooner rather than later.
Saint_clark Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Sorry, but i'm just leaving the ground and he was abysmal today. Nothing to do with lack of service because he did get it. I'm a big fan but he should have been taken off instead of Rodriguez as he was having a terrible game.
Grey Crab Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 I'm glad somebody posted this thread. I was enjoying the performance and result too much and needed someone to try and find something to criticise to bring me back to being a football c*nt.
Matthew Le God Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 He didn't have a great game today, but he was the 3rd top scorer in Serie A last season and is an Italian international striker. Some of the comments in the match thread today were ridiculous. He is clearly a quality player based on his previous record and what we've seen of him in the few games he has had for Saints.
Toon Saint Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Thought our formation would suit him better today but he disappointed, and was somewhat carried through the game by our excellent midfield. Should have released Davis earlier when he was in good position, and had a couple of speculative efforts that weren't ever likely to bother De Gea. His first touch, which is usually superb, was poor throughout. Hopefully just rusty from international duty and he will bang in a couple vs. Fulham. Think that we do need a proper no. 10 in to play with him though and feed him those balls behind the defence - whether that should be Ramirez/Davis or a new signing entirely, is another question.
Mr X Posted 19 October, 2013 Author Posted 19 October, 2013 Just didn't come off but he was trying the right things. agreed just think he needs a few goals to set his confidence off, needs to stop being too intricate and fancy
S-Clarke Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 He keeps trying, and maybe you could say he's guilty of trying too hard a times - sometimes it looks a little forced. Once he gets a few goals under his locker the pressure will leave, and we'll see the real player. He's undoubtedly pure class, as we saw for Italy in the week. Just not quite getting to grips with the English game as yet. But he's shown enough to suggest it will happen in time. He doesn't try and hide away - that's for sure.
offix Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Trying is just not good enough. I know I will get ripped for this, but I have not yet seen anything from him that would justify the money we paid for him. Lots of guys "try", but that doesn't get us anywhere. Scoring is the measure of a forward. Nothing else matters. I wonder if we can still get our money back?
Mr X Posted 19 October, 2013 Author Posted 19 October, 2013 Trying is just not good enough. I know I will get ripped for this, but I have not yet seen anything from him that would justify the money we paid for him. Lots of guys "try", but that doesn't get us anywhere. Scoring is the measure of a forward. Nothing else matters. I wonder if we can still get our money back? You don't think he has good technical skills and passing game? he's proved he is a goal scorer at this other clubs, tbf hes only had six or so games
mitch01 Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Trying is just not good enough. I know I will get ripped for this, but I have not yet seen anything from him that would justify the money we paid for him. Lots of guys "try", but that doesn't get us anywhere. Scoring is the measure of a forward. Nothing else matters. I wonder if we can still get our money back? Do you think that maybe, just maybe, his handful of appearances for us don't accurately reflect his actual ability as a football player?
jampot Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 I think he will come to good. Seems like a confidence player to me. I expect he thought he would take the prem by storm and so far it hasn't happened. I think that is weighing on his shoulders. He will come good.....
Minty Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Couple of point: 1 - IMO, fans really need to disconnect the price tag from what is produced on the pitch. On the pitch, on the day, the price tag doesn't matter, and to use it as some kind of barometer for how good someone should be is a false, one-way argument only. If you want to debate the price tag, fine, but level the questions at the people who paid it... Osvaldo had no say in that. 2 - His career record clearly shows that he has ability, so no one should be (and I don't think anyone is) writing him off. On the contrary, I feel that to be in the position we are in, with the points and results gained so far, despite him clearly not quite being at his best yet, is a positive thing. Think how much better we can be once he is firing. 3 - On Osvaldo himself, it will take him some time to adapt to the Premier League. There are numerous times at present where he is a little too casual on the ball and defender nip it away from him quicker than he is clearly expecting. This will improve. Just look at most of the players still with us, who came up from the Championship... there was a clear, steep learning curve for them all to be quicker in the head, quicker on the ball, sharper with their passing etc, etc. Pochettino knows him better than any of us and he has earned our respect and the right to call it as he sees it. I have no doubt he'll drop him if he feels the need, but as much as we love Rickie, it's not like either of them are exactly on fire. He does need to improve IMO, but it is far too early to make any finite judgements. All in all, I think we should be positive about the fact that we are not quite firing on all cylinders, but find ourselves in the upper echelons of the league. Be positive, and who knows what we could achieve. If Osvaldo can become a bigger part of that then we'd all be happy.
badgerx16 Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Couple of point: 1 - IMO, fans really need to disconnect the price tag from what is produced on the pitch. On the pitch, on the day, the price tag doesn't matter, and to use it as some kind of barometer for how good someone should be is a false, one-way argument only. If you want to debate the price tag, fine, but level the questions at the people who paid it... Osvaldo had no say in that. 2 - His career record clearly shows that he has ability, so no one should be (and I don't think anyone is) writing him off. On the contrary, I feel that to be in the position we are in, with the points and results gained so far, despite him clearly not quite being at his best yet, is a positive thing. Think how much better we can be once he is firing. 3 - On Osvaldo himself, it will take him some time to adapt to the Premier League. There are numerous times at present where he is a little too casual on the ball and defender nip it away from him quicker than he is clearly expecting. This will improve. Just look at most of the players still with us, who came up from the Championship... there was a clear, steep learning curve for them all to be quicker in the head, quicker on the ball, sharper with their passing etc, etc. Pochettino knows him better than any of us and he has earned our respect and the right to call it as he sees it. I have no doubt he'll drop him if he feels the need, but as much as we love Rickie, it's not like either of them are exactly on fire. He does need to improve IMO, but it is far too early to make any finite judgements. All in all, I think we should be positive about the fact that we are not quite firing on all cylinders, but find ourselves in the upper echelons of the league. Be positive, and who knows what we could achieve. If Osvaldo can become a bigger part of that then we'd all be happy. This
OldNick Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Only we seem to find negatives after a superb result
Bad Wolf Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Actually thought he did okay in general. Missed a couple of sitters but on the whole, wasn't THAT bad.
Olallana Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Couple of point: 1 - IMO, fans really need to disconnect the price tag from what is produced on the pitch. On the pitch, on the day, the price tag doesn't matter, and to use it as some kind of barometer for how good someone should be is a false, one-way argument only. If you want to debate the price tag, fine, but level the questions at the people who paid it... Osvaldo had no say in that. 2 - His career record clearly shows that he has ability, so no one should be (and I don't think anyone is) writing him off. On the contrary, I feel that to be in the position we are in, with the points and results gained so far, despite him clearly not quite being at his best yet, is a positive thing. Think how much better we can be once he is firing. 3 - On Osvaldo himself, it will take him some time to adapt to the Premier League. There are numerous times at present where he is a little too casual on the ball and defender nip it away from him quicker than he is clearly expecting. This will improve. Just look at most of the players still with us, who came up from the Championship... there was a clear, steep learning curve for them all to be quicker in the head, quicker on the ball, sharper with their passing etc, etc. Pochettino knows him better than any of us and he has earned our respect and the right to call it as he sees it. I have no doubt he'll drop him if he feels the need, but as much as we love Rickie, it's not like either of them are exactly on fire. He does need to improve IMO, but it is far too early to make any finite judgements. All in all, I think we should be positive about the fact that we are not quite firing on all cylinders, but find ourselves in the upper echelons of the league. Be positive, and who knows what we could achieve. If Osvaldo can become a bigger part of that then we'd all be happy. Top post, clear evidence you understand the game far better than some..
S-Clarke Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Couple of point: 1 - IMO, fans really need to disconnect the price tag from what is produced on the pitch. On the pitch, on the day, the price tag doesn't matter, and to use it as some kind of barometer for how good someone should be is a false, one-way argument only. If you want to debate the price tag, fine, but level the questions at the people who paid it... Osvaldo had no say in that. 2 - His career record clearly shows that he has ability, so no one should be (and I don't think anyone is) writing him off. On the contrary, I feel that to be in the position we are in, with the points and results gained so far, despite him clearly not quite being at his best yet, is a positive thing. Think how much better we can be once he is firing. 3 - On Osvaldo himself, it will take him some time to adapt to the Premier League. There are numerous times at present where he is a little too casual on the ball and defender nip it away from him quicker than he is clearly expecting. This will improve. Just look at most of the players still with us, who came up from the Championship... there was a clear, steep learning curve for them all to be quicker in the head, quicker on the ball, sharper with their passing etc, etc. Pochettino knows him better than any of us and he has earned our respect and the right to call it as he sees it. I have no doubt he'll drop him if he feels the need, but as much as we love Rickie, it's not like either of them are exactly on fire. He does need to improve IMO, but it is far too early to make any finite judgements. All in all, I think we should be positive about the fact that we are not quite firing on all cylinders, but find ourselves in the upper echelons of the league. Be positive, and who knows what we could achieve. If Osvaldo can become a bigger part of that then we'd all be happy. Post of the year.
Ulrich van Gobbel Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Minty has nailed it. He didn't have the greatest game today but he is a quality player and will come good! How about enjoying a fantastic team performance, a point away at the champions and being 4th in the table! Time for a beer..
Pedro Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 I desperately want him to settle in and score loads of goals but I feel he's a bit of an outsider at the moment. Lovren an VW are very much part of the team but Ossie doesn't seem to interact much, goes straight down the tunnel after the match and looks a bit of a loner. Obviously different when he scores so to me thrives on confidence and hopefully this will come soon, hat trick against Fulham will help.
captainchris Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Why the negativity? We just got a great point away at Old Trafford and played really well, but still we get these downbeat threads. Osvaldo tried hard, it didn't happen for him today, but he didn't do that intentionally. Let's enjoy this result please. Not sure if trying and good enough are related. Watching him closely his chasing and closing were were not great so from the 'trying' side he was average at best but you don't mind if you a special talent on your hands.... However I haven't seen a shred of evidence yet that we can carry him much longer.... His touch is down right poor at times he is not dissimilar to Ramirez in many ways in that he often gets caught in possession and passes often go astray.... We have a great team here but I'm nor convinced Osvaldo is great at all.
Patrick Bateman Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Just a bad day at the office and nothing more? I actually just thought he was unlucky today. He has some class touches and he did try hard, but he was unlucky in some of his touches today.
Roger Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 I desperately want him to settle in and score loads of goals but I feel he's a bit of an outsider at the moment. Lovren an VW are very much part of the team but Ossie doesn't seem to interact much, goes straight down the tunnel after the match and looks a bit of a loner. Obviously different when he scores so to me thrives on confidence and hopefully this will come soon, hat trick against Fulham will help. One of worst performances I've ever seen in saints shirt. We were playing with ten men. J rod pants too.
Olallana Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 I desperately want him to settle in and score loads of goals but I feel he's a bit of an outsider at the moment. Lovren an VW are very much part of the team but Ossie doesn't seem to interact much, goes straight down the tunnel after the match and looks a bit of a loner. Obviously different when he scores so to me thrives on confidence and hopefully this will come soon, hat trick against Fulham will help. Strange, on my stream he was with the team on the pitch long after the final whistle, or is he using Jack Sparrow as a stunt-in?
hutch Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Gosh, I bet Guly & Gaston are glad we've signed Osvaldo
OldNick Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 One of worst performances I've ever seen in saints shirt. We were playing with ten men. J rod pants too. You are known to be a bit over the top Roger, your passionate support sometimes clouds the truth IMO.
corky morris Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Very very poor today. Didn't put the effort in the rest did. We carried him all game.
S-Clarke Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Still don't think he's getting the best service from the midfield. To be fair, he couldn't have asked for a better pass from Lallana. He had to score that, the hard work was done for him.
Sheaf Saint Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 One of worst performances I've ever seen in saints shirt. We were playing with ten men. J rod pants too. I'm guessing from this that you only started watching Saints about 3 weeks ago then.
Toadhall Saint Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Didn't see the game but ill go for bad day at the office - happens to the best of us.
Batman Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Bit like boruc last year. You have to play them to get them into the groove
Roger Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 You are known to be a bit over the top Roger, your passionate support sometimes clouds the truth IMO. Did you watch the game he was terrible? I think he may come good but hasn't been great so far and today he was just awful. Wasn't enough work rate. But mopo will sort it.
Roger Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 I'm guessing from this that you only started watching Saints about 3 weeks ago then. No season ticket since 86, do jog on. I'm over the moon with everything but he was r poor.
OldNick Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Did you watch the game he was terrible? I think he may come good but hasn't been great so far and today he was just awful. Wasn't enough work rate. But mopo will sort it. I haven't seen the game, but the bits I have seen him play for us showed me that he has a quick brain and will score from nothing. Try and keep your faith in him, he will turn out to be a good signing
Wade Garrett Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Trying is just not good enough. I know I will get ripped for this, but I have not yet seen anything from him that would justify the money we paid for him. Lots of guys "try", but that doesn't get us anywhere. Scoring is the measure of a forward. Nothing else matters. I wonder if we can still get our money back? Drogba took a whole season to settle at Chelsea, and he turned out to be really crap didn't he.
Roger Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 I haven't seen the game, but the bits I have seen him play for us showed me that he has a quick brain and will score from nothing. Try and keep your faith in him, he will turn out to be a good signing Not saying I've lost faith but saw 10 men working backsides off and one not. People will say le tiss but he did work hard in right areas and his end product was second to none.
OldNick Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Not saying I've lost faith but saw 10 men working backsides off and one not. People will say le tiss but he did work hard in right areas and his end product was second to none. I promise you there were quite a few times when MLT went missing. I had many debates with Saints fans in those days who called his lazy,not interested and should be dropped !
Roger Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 I promise you there were quite a few times when MLT went missing. I had many debates with Saints fans in those days who called his lazy,not interested and should be dropped ! I watched every game le tiss played. Yes he did go missing after 1998, and in games before but he saved us year after year and was on another planet.
Olallana Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 I watched every game le tiss played. Yes he did go missing after 1998, and in games before but he saved us year after year and was on another planet. In his first six games too?
Roger Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 In his first six games too? We'll Leicester scored a hatrick, utd 2 goals, spurs was superb so yes.
OldNick Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 I watched every game le tiss played. Yes he did go missing after 1998, and in games before but he saved us year after year and was on another planet. MLT was superb but he was sited as being lazy and a luxury by many Saints fans then. Perhaps the same mistakes may be made by current day Saints fans re Ossie, not that he is Matts class as of yet.
LeTissLeGod Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Would you swap Osvaldo for Negredo given the performances this season?
OldNick Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 We'll Leicester scored a hatrick, utd 2 goals, spurs was superb so yes. I think Chros Nicholl subbed him a lot in the early days
Roger Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 MLT was superb but he was sited as being lazy and a luxury by many Saints fans then. Perhaps the same mistakes may be made by current day Saints fans re Ossie, not that he is Matts class as of yet. If he shows matts end product I wouldn't complain!
OldNick Posted 19 October, 2013 Posted 19 October, 2013 Would you swap Osvaldo for Negredo given the performances this season? Different teams, it's like saying would you swap him for Carroll or Torres based on price tag
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