Mr X Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 I see this as a game Gaston will want to play in and form aside I think he should be given his chance, for whatever reason he remains unpopular with MP and there is serious doubt around his future at the club. Do you think he should be given a last chance to show he shouldn't be left out or do you think he's had more than enough chances to start performing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 He's had 18 months of chances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 he will probably be sold by the summer. £6-8m back to italy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Seeing as he has only just ambled back from International duty I would doubt that he is near the team sheet this afternoon. But why should MP spin the roulette wheel just to fit in someone in based now on his price tag when the squad is purring along nicely without Gaston. The candle so many still seem to be holding for Ramirez on here must be nearly out of both wax and wick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 He's had 18 months of chances Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Doubt he will play today, given he wasn't involved last match. Does not seem to fit in with MP's plans at the moment and we have better options with Steven Davis at the moment. Still don't know why people need to be so rude about the bloke though, I'm sure he didn't amble back from international duty, as the OP states, due to time zones he is bound to get back later than players on duty in Europe. He is still one of the very few truly creative players we have but I see him being involved less and less and departing next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 He's had 18 months of chances If a year has 16 months yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 As much as I do want to see him play and do well, after the international break he's the last person I'd consider to play today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 A reminder of his ability is his goal in the Olympics at ot. Starting to look bad but if we could get him firing could be the difference between a European place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 A reminder of his ability is his goal in the Olympics at ot. Starting to look bad but if we could get him firing could be the difference between a European place. But Lambert can do that, so can J-W-P. To be honest, in my eyes, Gaston has had numerous chances and we're all still saying ''He could come good'' but let's be honest, he's not going to is he? A really big coup at the time, but for whatever reason he's simply not suited to this team or this league. I think he'll be sporadically used between now and January, but will be sold pretty sharpish once the window opens. We'll make a loss, but should be able to get at least £6m I'd have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewell Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Whilst I hope he is on the bench to provide a nice attacking option and some creativity if required, he really does not deserve to be in the team ahead of the 11 names that have done so well recently. Other than Danny Fox dropping out for Luke Shaw I really hope we are unchanged other than Gaston moving onto the bench in place of Guly and Fox dropping out of the squad and off the face of the earth please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 If course SRL and jwp can hit a free kick. Both are good players in their own right but neither have the natural ability of Ramirez IMO. i would like to see him in the bench, does not deserve a start obviously. Doesn't mean the lad doesn't have fantastic ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Been told he wasn't on the bus. Cortese was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 But Lambert can do that, so can J-W-P. To be honest, in my eyes, Gaston has had numerous chances and we're all still saying ''He could come good'' but let's be honest, he's not going to is he? A really big coup at the time, but for whatever reason he's simply not suited to this team or this league. I think he'll be sporadically used between now and January, but will be sold pretty sharpish once the window opens. We'll make a loss, but should be able to get at least £6m I'd have thought. The thing is, he has come good when he had a decent run in the side under Adkins last season. He hasn't had that run since due to injury, Internationals etc and there is obviously something Pochettino is not happy with as well. Not sure I agree about all these chances he is supposed to have had, this season a few sub cameos and a couple a cup games is all he has had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 He was fine before the injury. It was clearly much more serious than some thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 He's on his way out. never to be seen again probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Clearly has no future whatsoever at SFC. This weeks press revelations have done him absolutely no favours. Hope we get most of our money back. Complete waste of effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 What are the issues with MP? Anyone reckon it's the work rate required from him? If we could get a real decent AM in we could really be onto something,still hoping Gaston can pull his socks up and get a crack at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 19 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Apparently mp clashes big time with ramirez maybe the Uruguay Argentina rivalry? Some are saying he has handed in an official transfer request Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pangy Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Apparently mp clashes big time with ramirez maybe the Uruguay Argentina rivalry? Some are saying he has handed in an official transfer request Surely that is then racism ? Unless GR has a crap attitude the only thing I can think is work rate/commitment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Surely that is then racism ? Unless GR has a crap attitude the only thing I can think is work rate/commitmentWhite on white racism; it's definitely a massive problem. Especially amongst these South Americans. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Apparently mp clashes big time with ramirez maybe the Uruguay Argentina rivalry? Some are saying he has handed in an official transfer request That sounds like a load of fabricated pub talk to me. Who are "some"?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Clearly has no future whatsoever at SFC. This weeks press revelations have done him absolutely no favours. Hope we get most of our money back. Complete waste of effort. Is this a comment about Ramirez or Puncheon? Just asking as exactly what was being said two years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 Barry Sanchez the all knowing Lord of football was saying this over a year ago, deep reservations about Osvaldo and even Wanyama with his passing, Lovren, Davis, Clyne, have all been very very good signings. How much did they cost again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 October, 2013 Share Posted 19 October, 2013 What a collective bunch of c**ks. More interested in getting one over on message board posters and like playground 8 year olds pretending to know everything, yet in reality nothing... 'Some are saying' lol you could not make it up...yet you do apparently.... Please explain why some are so chuffed to see him struggle? To have another dig at the club? Being 5th must make it hard to criticise I suppose. Whether he settles and achieves the level we hoped or not, the lack of support, the constant need to ridicule players in an effort to score points against other is pathetic really. Your parents should monitor your internet usage a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 Barry Sanchez the all knowing Lord of football was saying this over a year ago, deep reservations about Osvaldo and even Wanyama with his passing, Lovren, Davis, Clyne, have all been very very good signings. How much did they cost again? Osvaldo and Wanyama are regular members of a side who a fifth in the league. If they are as sh1te as you bang on about, how do you explain our current situation, given your assertions that 20% of our outfield players suck? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 I still believe in Gaston......he is one of our best footballers and I expect MP and his staff to get this right.. We have a tremendous talent on our hands. If this whole matter is sorted we will have another world class player in our team/squad.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 As the saying goes 'the writing is on the wall' for this player is it not? Not so long ago our record transfer fee, but now reduced to the indignity of playing in the odd cup game and watching the likes of Guly do Prado get on ahead of him. I suspect he'll be desperate to return to Italy and rebuild his career, while the club we be equally keen to reinvest the money elsewhere. 'Never say never' they say, but right now it looks like he'll be gone in the summer - if not before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 once again, we are into the idea of selecting players according to their price tag. If so; names like Lallana, Shaw, Chambers and Ward-Prowse shouldn't even be in the match programme. ..and what about that " oldie " Rickie Lambert ...only cost £1 miilion, and even that was 4 years ago. Sorry, I'm all for giving new signings a time to play themselves in, and I have defended Ramirez a lot in the past. He has shown signs of being a class player, but still blows hot-and-cold too often and lacks that most important player-quality .....consistancy. If he's genuinely looking to get himself back into the starting side, he ought to understand what's required of him by now. His selection kept the likes of Steven Davis on the bench far too much last season, and just now .....I'd even choose JWP ahead of him. The " financial facts " of the investment /salary costs are, of course, a primary consideration for the club's Board....but not for the manager who selects a side based on other factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 Osvaldo and Wanyama are regular members of a side who a fifth in the league. If they are as sh1te as you bang on about, how do you explain our current situation, given your assertions that 20% of our outfield players suck? I have deep reservations about Wanyama but he does deserve a chance, if not Cork will be an adequate replacement, Osvaldo has done nothing to merit replacing Lambert, dont you agree? Lets discuss the table at a later date as you truly dont believe this is going to stick do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 What a collective bunch of c**ks. More interested in getting one over on message board posters and like playground 8 year olds pretending to know everything, yet in reality nothing... 'Some are saying' lol you could not make it up...yet you do apparently.... Please explain why some are so chuffed to see him struggle? To have another dig at the club? Being 5th must make it hard to criticise I suppose. Whether he settles and achieves the level we hoped or not, the lack of support, the constant need to ridicule players in an effort to score points against other is pathetic really. Your parents should monitor your internet usage a little more. Good post Frank... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 20 October, 2013 Share Posted 20 October, 2013 Can someone explain why he seems to be the only South American player who can't play after flying back? Ever since he's been here and gone away on international duty he's rarely been available for selection. As an example, Suarez and Cavani both played 90 minutes on Tuesday for Uruguay (Ramirez 43 minutes, not that he was ever in contention for yesterdays game) and both played 90 minutes on Saturday for their clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Sorry but price does matter... If you pay a club record fee for a player, you expect him to be one of the best and go straight into the first team, especially for a club of our stature!! FACT, he has not lived up to his potential and class which is the reason we paid a record fee in the first place!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNeil90 Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 once again, we are into the idea of selecting players according to their price tag. If so; names like Lallana, Shaw, Chambers and Ward-Prowse shouldn't even be in the match programme. ..and what about that " oldie " Rickie Lambert ...only cost £1 miilion, and even that was 4 years ago. Sorry, I'm all for giving new signings a time to play themselves in, and I have defended Ramirez a lot in the past. He has shown signs of being a class player, but still blows hot-and-cold too often and lacks that most important player-quality .....consistancy. If he's genuinely looking to get himself back into the starting side, he ought to understand what's required of him by now. His selection kept the likes of Steven Davis on the bench far too much last season, and just now .....I'd even choose JWP ahead of him. The " financial facts " of the investment /salary costs are, of course, a primary consideration for the club's Board....but not for the manager who selects a side based on other factors. Ridiculous post. The price of a player in the transfer market is relevant to their ability. Lambert was a gem that we found, Lallana came through the academy, completely different scenarios. I think people are well within their right to expect a hell of a lot more from a player who is the 3rd most expensive player in our clubs entire history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Ridiculous post. The price of a player in the transfer market is relevant to their ability. Lambert was a gem that we found, Lallana came through the academy, completely different scenarios. I think people are well within their right to expect a hell of a lot more from a player who is the 3rd most expensive player in our clubs entire history. It's all relevant though isn't it? 2 years ago, Rory Delap was our record signing so by your definition, had we got someone for £3.9M instead of £12M, we would be justified in expecting more from them than anyone else because they would be our 2nd mosr expensice player in the clubs entire history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 It's all relevant though isn't it? 2 years ago, Rory Delap was our record signing so by your definition, had we got someone for £3.9M instead of £12M, we would be justified in expecting more from them than anyone else because they would be our 2nd mosr expensice player in the clubs entire history? Gaston cost £12m and will earn over £10 million over the 4 year contract. I think its ok to expect him to bust a gut for 90 minutes everyweek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Gaston cost £12m and will earn over £10 million over the 4 year contract. I think its ok to expect him to bust a gut for 90 minutes everyweek The more you earn the less you do, it's the way of the World. I am a millionaire and do little to no work, why should Gaston be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 The more you earn the less you do, it's the way of the World. I am a millionaire and do little to no work, why should Gaston be any different? Makes sense...... Our 3 biggest earners are the most lazy! Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 22 October, 2013 Share Posted 22 October, 2013 Makes sense...... Our 3 biggest earners are the most lazy! Coincidence? You pay for talent, not effort mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now