Dan83 Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 Fraser Nelson (editor of The Spectator) on ITV's The Agenda this week: Discussing National Identity, Fraser (very posh Scottish bloke) came out with this: "Recently Southampton played Portsmouth, not a single British born player on the starting line, and the crowds only cared about the quality of football." What?! https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/the-agenda Watch from 21:10 if interested....
CB Saint Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 This is one for MLG - when was the last derby when neither side fielded a British born player?
Colinjb Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 This is one for MLG - when was the last derby when neither side fielded a British born player? I would say with cast iron certainty that there has never been a South Coast derby match without British born players featuring in the starting line ups. Even when the Skates were bloated with foreign mercenaries in that FA Cup game David James was in goal. In the last league fixtures two English players scored our goals, Lambert and Sharp.
Matthew Le God Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 If you mean between Saints and Pompey? Then that has never happened, as there has always been British born players involved in every game between the two. I'm intrigued as to where Fraser Nelson got his information, as it is completely wrong.
Dig Dig Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 Is this guy on twitter? There should be a campaign of hate against this guy, his wife, kids, pets and anyone associated with him. #dienelsondie
Saint_clark Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 Quite ironic he was speaking on a programme called 'the agenda' as he quite clearly has one of his own.
badgerx16 Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 .....when was the last derby ..... Considering he said 'recently'.....
Window Cleaner Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 Fraser Nelson (editor of The Spectator) on ITV's The Agenda this week: Discussing National Identity, Fraser (very posh Scottish bloke) came out with this: "Recently Southampton played Portsmouth, not a single British born player on the starting line, and the crowds only cared about the quality of football." What?! https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/the-agenda Watch from 21:10 if interested.... When did a Saints vs Pompey crowd ever care about the standard of the football, only kicking the ass of the ultimate enemy counts in those games, sh*te as you like as long as your side wins.
Toomer Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 As if a Scotts Man has a clue about football, apart from Fergy.
exeter_saint Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 Surely saints have never started any game in our history without a British born player?
Bearsy Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 "Recently Southampton played Portsmouth, not a single British born player in the starting line up, maybe he just meant they was all marry?
Window Cleaner Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 Surely saints have never started any game in our history without a British born player? certainly haven't, Portsmouth may well have done, don't think they had all that many British born players in the cup game in 2010, we had quite a few though, certainly a majority because José couldn't play that day so we would have had just Morgan,Radi and Waigo unless Antonio comes from somewhere else originally.
buctootim Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 How many of you outraged souls have ever actually read the Spectator or heard of Fraser Nelson before today?
Window Cleaner Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 How many of you outraged souls have ever actually read the Spectator or heard of Fraser Nelson before today? in my Uni days perhaps, can't remember, if it was lying around in the Common Room I may well have looked at it. Fraser Nelson I'd have to admit to not having heard of though.
Le Timmier Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 Isn't he simply saying that he believes 'Britishness' is defined by the general public being happy to watch a local sporting event where none of the participants are British? OK - so he's got his facts wrong in that there was not an 'all-foreign' south coast derby, but there's nothing derogatory implied in his comments at all, if anything he's using it in a positive way to paint a picture of a cosmopolitan and multi-cultural society. Had he said all people who watch football on the south coast have no teeth, play the banjo and enjoy the company of sheep I could understand people getting upset, but whilst his facts are incorrect they aren't exactly anything to worry about! Maybe he meant to say 80% of the players were non-british, or maybe he meant to say Arsenal v Chelsea.
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 certainly haven't, Portsmouth may well have done, don't think they had all that many British born players in the cup game in 2010, we had quite a few though, certainly a majority because José couldn't play that day so we would have had just Morgan,Radi and Waigo unless Antonio comes from somewhere else originally. Off the top of my head James, O'Hara, Wilson
ecuk268 Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 How many of you outraged souls have ever actually read the Spectator or heard of Fraser Nelson before today? He pops up on "Question Time" occasionally. He looks like he was bullied at school.
Window Cleaner Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 the nearest would probably be the horror show of 2005, probably only 4 or 5 out of each 16
lifeintheslowlane Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 FFS he's a JOURNALIST...leave him alone! When did it become necessary for them to get their facts right?
saintbletch Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 The host of that show used to wear my old pyjamas. True story. Sent from my GT-I9100 using Tapatalk
Wade Garrett Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 He is slightly to the right of Adolf Hitler.
mancsaint Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 I also saw that and realised he was probably confused with the very recent Plymouth v Pompey game way down in League 2. As usual, not in control of his mouth or mind. Mancsaint
Hatch Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 never heard of him until about a minute ago, and in 5 minutes will forget about him again forever.
Saint Garrett Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 Pretty sure that Wayne Thomas and Chris Perry played at the back in our 1-4, as Fonte was cup tied. Lambert scored, Lallana probably played if he wasn't injured. Sure the teams must be on te Internet somewhere. Guys talking ********.
FloatingbridgeSaint Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 He is on twitter at https://twitter.com/FraserNelson
Glasgow_Saint Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 If you mean between Saints and Pompey? Then that has never happened, as there has always been British born players involved in every game between the two. I'm intrigued as to where Fraser Nelson got his information, as it is completely wrong. Hi mate, how was benidorm?
dronskisaint Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 How many of you outraged souls have ever actually read the Spectator or heard of Fraser Nelson before today? Fluck no...why would anyone read that??!! I reserve the right to be offended by a posh pr*t talking ****** about my club though.
hasper57saint Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 Perhaps he thinks that Lallana and Rodrigues are 'foreign' players and like him, they are Right-Wing!
DuncanRG Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 I also saw that and realised he was probably confused with the very recent Plymouth v Pompey game way down in League 2. Were there really no British players in that game!? If he's just got us confused then it's hardly the most heinous of mistakes to make.
Dan83 Posted 16 October, 2013 Author Posted 16 October, 2013 He's either made it up to substantiate his point (possible) or he's gotten the South Coast derby mixed up with another (more likely). I was actually wondering if it might have been Newcastle-Sunderland, but don't think they've player yet this season! It's just the fact he couldn't be any more wrong and Saints have actually been in the media a lot lately as bastions for bringing through English talent! Wouldn't have minded a "recent" South Coast derby though! Would rather play them every season than see them rot in League 2, to be honest.
mikec Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 In the recent Manchester derby, City did not start with any British outfield players. I suppose it's possible that he had this game mixed up in his mind which would mean that apart from - it being a different deby - only applied to one of the teams - even that team had an English keeper ... he would be spot on.
Saint Without a Halo Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 Where did he say football? it was probably at Tiddly Winks!
Saint Without a Halo Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 "an Portsmouth"? or a Portsmouth! Are we sure he doesn't work for the Guardian?
Turkish Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 This is the most disgusting thing I've ever read. Arguably a case for the return of capital punishment
VectisSaint Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 So he confused us with Arsenal. Not sure that's an insult, and easily done with our current shirt design. "Charlie Wayman" often confuses Saints with Arsenal. Could have been worse, he could have mixed us up with Brizzle City.
scotty Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 never heard of him until about a minute ago, and in 5 minutes will forget about him again forever. Yep, alcohol tends to have that effect on me as well.
Stoozer Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 He was actually using it as a positive argument for a sense of Britishness and tolerance. He has a point on that matter.
Lets B Avenue Posted 16 October, 2013 Posted 16 October, 2013 Did he mean to say we had no "Stephens" in our team?
eurosaint Posted 17 October, 2013 Posted 17 October, 2013 Isn't he simply saying that he believes 'Britishness' is defined by the general public being happy to watch a local sporting event where none of the participants are British? OK - so he's got his facts wrong in that there was not an 'all-foreign' south coast derby, but there's nothing derogatory implied in his comments at all, if anything he's using it in a positive way to paint a picture of a cosmopolitan and multi-cultural society. Had he said all people who watch football on the south coast have no teeth, play the banjo and enjoy the company of sheep I could understand people getting upset, but whilst his facts are incorrect they aren't exactly anything to worry about! Maybe he meant to say 80% of the players were non-british, or maybe he meant to say Arsenal v Chelsea. TBF, he would have been half right at least
edsaint Posted 17 October, 2013 Posted 17 October, 2013 I know Fraser. He would be the first to admit he knows absolutely nothing about football and it is not the first time it has got him into trouble. I think there might be a lesson there somewhere.
Leicestersaint Posted 17 October, 2013 Posted 17 October, 2013 He talks complete nonsense - typical Tory - never lets any facts get in the way of spurious opinions.
Deano6 Posted 17 October, 2013 Posted 17 October, 2013 Fair play to him for admitting to and correcting his error. Nothing more to see here.
The9 Posted 18 October, 2013 Posted 18 October, 2013 (edited) Tch, those Skate-Gooner derby matches are something to behold... plus I've just checked and he's talking bo11ocks anyway, none of the Skate-Arsenal matches in the Prem have failed to feature at least 2 Brits in the starting line up (unless Richard Hughes and Aaron Ramsey weren't born in Glasgow and Cardiff respectively, which they were). Most had at least David James and Matt Taylor for the Skates. Now if he meant English, yeah, 30 Dec 2009 : but that's not "not a single British born player on the starting line" is it? Even allowing for Scottish independence there's still Ramsey. Portsmouth A Begovic, S Finnan, T Ben-Haim, N Belhadj, H Hreidarsson, Y Kaboul, A Mokoena yellow card (A Vanden Borre, 58 ), K Boateng (N Kanu, 71), R Hughes yellow card (M Brown, 89), H Yebda, F Piquionne Subs not used: P Diop, J Utaka, M Wilson, J Ashdown Arsenal M Almunia, T Vermaelen, A Traore, B Sagna, W Gallas, A Arshavin (C Vela, 82), A Song, S Nasri (C Eastmond, 85), A Diaby, A Ramsey, Eduardo (T Rosicky, 72) Subs not used: M Silvestre, L Fabianski, J Wilshere, F Merida Edited 18 October, 2013 by The9
melmacian_saint Posted 18 October, 2013 Posted 18 October, 2013 Wow, I've only just learned that Begovic played for Pompey. Always learning something!
Gemmel Posted 18 October, 2013 Posted 18 October, 2013 Wow, I've only just learned that Begovic played for Pompey. Always learning something! There's a bit more too it than just playing for them..... when he signed for Stoke, they had to pay Spurs a million quid..... I miss those sort of pompey transfers
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