Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 A quick poser for a Monday morning. The Great God of Football has given you an ultimatum: only one result will come in - an England win vs Poland tomorrow night which seals World Cup qualification or a Southampton win at Old Trafford which maintains our great recent progress? Which do you pick? Not looking for a reasoned debate on which truly is the most important - just a light-hearted voting scenario! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Win at Man U unless the england win includes an SRL hatrick then I may be tempted to switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Win at Man U unless the england win includes an SRL hatrick then I may be tempted to switch this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wurzel Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 I'd go for the England win. They may well need God's assistance. Saints are quite capable of winning at Old Trafford without it. Sent from my GT-I8190N using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 England comes first on this one. Major tournaments are pretty intolerable when England aren't involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 England comes first on this one. Major tournaments are pretty intolerable when England aren't involved. Take it you don't lke to watch tournaments beyond the goup stages then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 I've stopped caring about England for the last 5 years and now barely watch them, boring football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 a win at Man.Utd would heal quite a lot of wounds that I've felt after Man.U games in the last 50 years..... if England fail to qualify, I wouldn't blame Roy directly, he's only trying to work with what he's got, but it only goes to show the " weaknesses " in the FA structure of training, selection and tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Win at Man U unless the england win includes an SRL hatrick then I may be tempted to switch nice thought, but when was the last time an England striker scored a hat-trick in 10 minutes ? ( RL won't get much more time than that - will he ?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 As non-english I´m disqualified but if England lose to Poland they still have a second chance, dont they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreemantleSaint Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 I really hope England qualify but Southampton Football Club is ten times more important to me than the England team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Sea Saint Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Club all the way for me. Couldn't care less if England qualify or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Saints winning much more important Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint si Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 England win through a penalty conceded by a defender. Scored by Lambert, why not. Other than that Boruc produces a string of world class saves from Rooney and Welbeck to ensure his confidence is high going in to the Old Trafford game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Wish England well but am not particularly fussed. Would take 3 England losses if it meant 1 Saints win. Beat that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Now let me think about this...........Saints win every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Saints win. And then England to win in the play-offs... Win win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Well there is more at stake for the England game so I would say that. Nothing worse than a meaningless international tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Not on topic but maybe close enough.... When was the last time a Saints player were involved in the Euro or World Cup? Does it go back to 2004 with Anders Svensson? And does that matter for your interest in those tournaments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 One of those rare occasions when I'll plump for England. They'll probably stink the tournament out though like they usually do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 England in this scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 England - but only because it's a key game for them now whereas the United game could only be seen as a key game come the end of the season. Now if the question was 'England to win and qualify for the World Cup' or 'Southampton to win and qualify for the Champions League' my answer might be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 United, undoubtedly. England can still qualify through the play-offs and to be honest I think I enjoyed Euro 08 more without us being there. Those 3 points on offer at Old Trafford however, they will be gone forever if we don't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Saints first. If England don't qualify then I can relax and enjoy the World Cup finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Not sure how anyone can enjoy an international tournament without England there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Not sure how anyone can enjoy an international tournament without England there. Because you can watch it without worrying about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 If we convincingly beat united it'll be proof were serious contenders for Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 A quick poser for a Monday morning. The Great God of Football has given you an ultimatum: only one result will come in - an England win vs Poland tomorrow night which seals World Cup qualification or a Southampton win at Old Trafford which maintains our great recent progress? Which do you pick? Not looking for a reasoned debate on which truly is the most important - just a light-hearted voting scenario! Bizarrely given that I'm only arguably borderline English at best, I'd actually go for the International result on this specific occasion. Saints can launch a top 10 offensive without needing a result on Saturday, whilst England not winning tomorrow will make next summer's World Cup about 400% (estimate) less interesting for people like me who will watch as much of it as physically possible anyway - everyone else around giving a monkey's and all the pub gatherings around England games makes the whole thing so much more entertaining. Euro 2008 was utter gash compared to 2006, 2010, 2012. Though it is worth noting that the English media has completely overlooked the existence of play-offs for the majority of second placed teams and that would most likely lead to qualification anyway... hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CylonKing Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Saints win - absolutely no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Because you can watch it without worrying about it. Indeed or by being toe curlingly embarrased by how little of a sh*t our players apparently give about playing for their country. Mental as it sounds I'd much rather watch a team made up of championship Englishmen who cared and fought for their place than the load of overpaid mollycoddled wasters we have at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Saints win any day of the week. England very much a second best and would quite enjoy watching Boruc ruin us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Saints win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Saints win, England win the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Not sure how anyone can enjoy an international tournament without England there. Can't say I've particulary enjoyed the majority of international tounaments that England have been involved in. In fact most have been ball aching disappoinments after all the hype of often qualifying well. Naturally I'd like England to win, but any celebrations would pale into insignificance at what my celebrations and general sense of well being would be like if we were to win at Old Trafford, especially if SRL showed Wellbeck and Rooney how to score a classy goal or to in the process!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 How can it be more enjoyable to watch an international football tournament with no English involvement. In that scenario I'm pretty much indifferent and could not really give a toss what happens. Sort of like watching league one highlights. I take a small interest but if I happened to miss it it wouldn't be the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 How can it be more enjoyable to watch an international football tournament with no English involvement. In that scenario I'm pretty much indifferent and could not really give a toss what happens. Sort of like watching league one highlights. I take a small interest but if I happened to miss it it wouldn't be the end of the world. 100% this. In the OP's scenario, England win. A world cup summer with no England would be horrendous. It's the kind of thing I get excited aboyt even in the January of a tournament year. We have to be there. There are plenty of scenarios where I'd pick club over country but not in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 100% this. In the OP's scenario, England win. A world cup summer with no England would be horrendous. It's the kind of thing I get excited aboyt even in the January of a tournament year. We have to be there. There are plenty of scenarios where I'd pick club over country but not in this one. But England failing to win tomorrow won't mean we don't go through, it just means we're in the play-off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Would take a Saints win at OT. England don't have to win tomorrow to go through, anyway if they do qualify they will not do very well in Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Not sure how anyone can enjoy an international tournament without England there. The thing is, if we qualify we will no doubt still be taking the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Defoe etc. Undoubtedly they are good players, but they are all past their peak, and hardly represent the future of English football. I'd much rather see us take the approach Germany took a few years back, write the tournament off (coz we aren't going to win it anyway) and pick a team of kids who can get tournament experience. Who is going to get more from the euros, Ashley Cole or Luke Shaw? Frank Lampard or Ross Barkley? I'm not saying these are necessarily the better players right now, but who are more likely to be playing in 2016, or 2018? We aren't going to win next year, not a chance, let's give the kids some experience I say. You never know, they might actually give it a go and try for the shirt. Wouldn't that make a pleasant change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 How can it be more enjoyable to watch an international football tournament with no English involvement. In that scenario I'm pretty much indifferent and could not really give a toss what happens. Sort of like watching league one highlights. I take a small interest but if I happened to miss it it wouldn't be the end of the world. That's how've I feel about watching England tbh. We are dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 England win mandatory.. otherwise we have endless punditry on who is next for the job and the World Cup massively reduced in interest.. also gives the country a feel good factor. We will probably be beaten my Man U anyway.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 That's how've I feel about watching England tbh. We are dross. It's a very sad situation where you aren't patriotic enough to want the England team (in any sport) to do well. I understand all the arguments about overpaid players etc but at the end of the day I am a proud Englishman and I want us to do as well as possible at the sport that we invented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 The thing is, if we qualify we will no doubt still be taking the likes of Gerrard, Lampard, Cole, Defoe etc. Undoubtedly they are good players, but they are all past their peak, and hardly represent the future of English football. I'd much rather see us take the approach Germany took a few years back, write the tournament off (coz we aren't going to win it anyway) and pick a team of kids who can get tournament experience. Who is going to get more from the euros, Ashley Cole or Luke Shaw? Frank Lampard or Ross Barkley? I'm not saying these are necessarily the better players right now, but who are more likely to be playing in 2016, or 2018? We aren't going to win next year, not a chance, let's give the kids some experience I say. You never know, they might actually give it a go and try for the shirt. Wouldn't that make a pleasant change. But that's a different point. I totally understand moaning about our approach but I can never really understand preferring us not to qualify and actually enjoying it more because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Would take a Saints win at OT. England don't have to win tomorrow to go through, anyway if they do qualify they will not do very well in Brazil. But how is them not doing very well in Brazil preferable to them not even qualifying in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom & Gerry Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 A win for England raises the profile, image and feel good factor of the game,the Premier League and ultimately Saints. If you accept that Saints are unlikely to go the rest of the season unbeaten then defeat at Old Trafford is just about acceptable/ bearable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 If this is a club vs country argument then I pick my club. I have more connection to my local area then I do nationally. Could not give a crap about being patriotic or anything like that because it is only a game of football. International football is below the standard of club football. The problem with the England team is it has been a closed club for way too long where players who are not playing well will get picked based on their name. Hart has been playing gash for months but will always be picked. It should be about who is playing well right now. England is more about money/image then being successful. Look at what happened with Townsend and SRL, two players who gave it their all and looked the better players on the night. But soon as the injured players return i.e Rooney, Theo they will be out. Imagine a team full of people who want to wear the shirt and will give it everything. When that happens then people might be interested in the national side again. In a ****ed up way us losing might actually benefit the team in the long run. If we go out then Gerrard, Lampard, Carrick, Cole etc would be done. The so called golden generation that didn't produce anything will be replaced. And personally I think that is what needs to happen. If we limp through into the world cup with the same players from the last one but older the same thing will happen again. We couldn't beat USA or Algeria... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 How can it be more enjoyable to watch an international football tournament with no English involvement. In that scenario I'm pretty much indifferent and could not really give a toss what happens. Sort of like watching league one highlights. I take a small interest but if I happened to miss it it wouldn't be the end of the world. Because there are reasons to watch and enjoy football that go beyond tribalism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 England in major tournaments doesn't typically make it any better. We haven't come close to winning one in years and probably won't for years to come. Italia 90 and Euro 96 were good but those were the only 2 in my lifetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Always club over country. It's great watching England play in major tournaments but if it had to be any kind of choice between a Saints win or an England win it'll be Saints every time. Thankfully life doesn't work like this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 14 October, 2013 Share Posted 14 October, 2013 Because there are reasons to watch and enjoy football that go beyond tribalism? Oh my mistake I thought the football team you support is GENERALLY where you are from. Otherwise maybe everyone could take an interest in a conference South game. After all, there are other reasons for watching football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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