Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 NC has acknowledged naivety in the transfer market - I wonder if this is his biggest mistake so far? You can imagine the conversation this summer “Give me more money to spend or I leave ( & So does Mopo)” response “Mmm you spent £30 million on Gaston, Gazza, Mayuka and Forren…… why the hell should we give you more” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 Thats the whole point. Commentators were saying in advance of the signing / Ramirez playing that he wasn't suited to the Premier League. Spurs and Liverpool didnt follow up - we ploughed ahead. Clubs have their own scouts and don't tune into TalkSport in order to decide who they should sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 Clubs have their own scouts and don't tune into TalkSport in order to decide who they should sign. I know, pity isnt it? Could have avoided Forren and Mayauka as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 (edited) We might get more out of Gaston when the constant jaunts to South America are over, probably spent more time with them than he has with us since last summer, can't be great for integrating the "Southampton Way". Same thing with Maya as well I don't doubt. Uruguayan football is notably indisciplined and they seem to have some right head cases, think I read somewhere that up to 14 of their squad could be suspended for their next game (play-off against Jordan in theory) if they get a card in tonight's game. Edited 15 October, 2013 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 I know, pity isnt it? Could have avoided Forren and Mayauka as well. Yea it's a shame, we'd have a 100% transfer success rate if only we listened to commentators more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 I know, pity isnt it? Could have avoided Forren and Mayauka as well. In fairness Mayauka has been impressive at Sochaux. Sure he's played 4 and scored 0 but his game is far more than just goals. I even noticed the Sochaux 'Alpine' described him as "atrocious" on FB which is mental as the guy is top 100 in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 In fairness Mayauka has been impressive at Sochaux. Sure he's played 4 and scored 0 but his game is far more than just goals. I even noticed the Sochaux 'Alpine' described him as "atrocious" on FB which is mental as the guy is top 100 in the world Sochaux are crap, sacked their manager a couple of weeks back. Mayuka didn't figure in last week-end's friendly where the new manager held a review of the squad. Don't know why, injured or on international duty I've no idea.I'm afraid that he'll be sent back to us some time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 In fairness Mayauka has been impressive at Sochaux. Sure he's played 4 and scored 0 but his game is far more than just goals. I even noticed the Sochaux 'Alpine' described him as "atrocious" on FB which is mental as the guy is top 100 in the world Do you have 15,000+ posts on Sochauxweb too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 Probably gives the ball away occasionally for exactly the same reason as Wanyama and no doubt Osvaldo. They just aren't used to being pressed and harassed all of the time. Only way to learn is by playing though. Gaston was sort of getting into his stride last season and then got sent off, however some of his actions are just red cards waiting to happen, most refs would have sent him off for his single legged Arkwright on Wilshere last year. He was giving the ball away sloppily in yards of space against Bristol City. Also, his sending off followed two matches in which he was substituted before the 64th minute (wins at Reading and home to Liverpool when he got the hook after 55 minutes). Before that he'd played 70 minutes at Norwich in a match where we were lucky to get a point, and was replaced by Guly. So saying "he was hitting his stride" is pushing it a bit. Wanyama gives the ball away unchallenged probably more often than when he's under pressure, it's concentration. Osvaldo, yeah, he's got twice as many opponents around him and the benefits of a risky pass around the opposition area far outweigh the problems caused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 Do you have 15,000+ posts on Sochauxweb too? no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 Hmmm Saints tinted spectacles here: he had the chance to accelerate further away from the WBA player, instead he pulled on the handbrake to make sure he was close enough carry out the deed. Or more accurately, he was being pulled back which is why he threw his arm out to fend the opponent off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 I believe the correct stat is 5.6% so even then he flatters to deceive That is absolute b*llocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 Just for the sake of accuracy, the stats for this season are actually as follows: 4 sub appearances, ave 11.5 passes, 67.4% success rate Admittedly this is the lowest of any of our outfield players, just behind Osvaldo and Lambert. Boruc has a worse pass success rate, perhaps we should ship him out based on that. Incidentally Guly has the top pass success rate, 100%. Data courtesy of whoscored.com To be fair, coming on as sub and trying to get up to the speed of the game is a very good way of keeping pass percentage lower than usual, looking at last season's pass percentage when he was starting would be a more reliable indicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 We might get more out of Gaston when the constant jaunts to South America are over, probably spent more time with them than he has with us since last summer, can't be great for integrating the "Southampton Way". Same thing with Maya as well I don't doubt. Uruguayan football is notably indisciplined and they seem to have some right head cases, think I read somewhere that up to 14 of their squad could be suspended for their next game (play-off against Jordan in theory) if they get a card in tonight's game. Uruguay failing to qualify would be quite helpful in that, the guy hasn't had a summer off for at least 2½ years - but at the same time, players who play in World Cups are always shifted on for more than they're worth. As Uruguay have a fairly small pool of internationals, Gaston's not under any threat of not being in the squad if they make it, so him being sub for Saints won't matter. Seems unlikely we'd sell him in January when he could be worth a pile more if we hang onto him until July. So the sensible thing to do whether Uruguay make it or not is to keep him - either he gets a full summer and we can see if he's improved next season, or he has a World Cup and may increase his value. If he goes, plays and is cack, that's the only situation we lose - but even then we still have a potentially decent player with more experience than he has at the moment and a World Cup squad to his name. Personally I think I'd prefer Uruguay missing out to give the guy a break, then at least we can see what we've got with a full pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 Just for the sake of accuracy, the stats for this season are actually as follows: 4 sub appearances, ave 11.5 passes, 67.4% success rate Data courtesy of whoscored.com I believe the correct stat is 5.6% so even then he flatters to deceive That is absolute b*llocks. Well spotted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 Uruguay failing to qualify would be quite helpful in that, the guy hasn't had a summer off for at least 2½ years - but at the same time, players who play in World Cups are always shifted on for more than they're worth. As Uruguay have a fairly small pool of internationals, Gaston's not under any threat of not being in the squad if they make it, so him being sub for Saints won't matter. Seems unlikely we'd sell him in January when he could be worth a pile more if we hang onto him until July. So the sensible thing to do whether Uruguay make it or not is to keep him - either he gets a full summer and we can see if he's improved next season, or he has a World Cup and may increase his value. If he goes, plays and is cack, that's the only situation we lose - but even then we still have a potentially decent player with more experience than he has at the moment and a World Cup squad to his name. Personally I think I'd prefer Uruguay missing out to give the guy a break, then at least we can see what we've got with a full pre-season. Jordan won't beat Uruguay so the likelyhood of them not qualifying is minimal I think. Still we'll get about 1000£ a day for each player involved in Rio so that will pay him for a week or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 I find it surprising how vitriolic people are about him, yet are pining for the return of Puncheon. Yes he cost a lot, but **** happens. We haven't been sold a dud, we've been sold a talented player who has yet to hit his potential with us. I think the fact that he hasn't had any time off in 3 years or so doesn't help, whereas in Italy he would have had time off due to the Winter break. Frankly, I am waiting for him to come good in the next couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 I think the fact that he hasn't had any time off in 3 years or so doesn't help It doesn't but surely we're not talking 'burn-out' here, he's barely played in fair chunk of that time period. I think he's potentially a far better player than we'll ever see, someone else will get his best years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 It doesn't but surely we're not talking 'burn-out' here, he's barely played in fair chunk of that time period. I think he's potentially a far better player than we'll ever see, someone else will get his best years. He's also not had time to prepare with the team pre-season, meaning others get the nod ahead, see JWP at the beginning of last season and this. I believe people really underestimate the need to have pre-season with your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 He's also not had time to prepare with the team pre-season, meaning others get the nod ahead, see JWP at the beginning of last season and this. I believe people really underestimate the need to have pre-season with your team. To be sure the constant involvement with Uruguay since the season started has thrown everything out of sync as far as Gaston is concerned. The PL season started about 10 weeks ago and he's spent nigh on 4 of those with the Uruguay squad. It's the same for Maya and Japan and the fact that neither of them are getting any serious game time in the PL with Saints cannot be due to pure coincidence. MP puts great store on the players training together and at an elevated work schedule, think they train twice most days so players who aren't constantly involved in that are going to be pushed out. Gaston would always be the last back after each IB as well, he'll be playing tomorrow morning UK time, game will probably finish at around 4 am UK time so by the time he gets back that'll be Thursday afty which will put him out of consideration for Saturday as likely as not. Lambert,Osvaldo and the others will probably be back for light training tomorrow afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 He's also not had time to prepare with the team pre-season, meaning others get the nod ahead, see JWP at the beginning of last season and this. I believe people really underestimate the need to have pre-season with your team. Doesn't seem to affect most other international players that are involved in summer tournaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 Doesn't seem to affect most other international players that are involved in summer tournaments. Gaston is Uruguay's youngest regular international isn't he ? Perhaps handling the constant travel and changing conditions is something that improves with age. Just can't help feeling that for a young man like he constantly returning to his roots over there cannot be anything but peturbational. I remember the Africans down at St Etienne when they came back from their jollies down in Africa, nothing to be done with them for weeks on end and after the ACON they were done for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 October, 2013 Share Posted 15 October, 2013 Well spotted. Only skimmed the thread, didn't see Vectis' reply...my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 16 October, 2013 Share Posted 16 October, 2013 Another long round trip to S. America this week, another f**ked up summer ahead, why are we still f**king bothering with him ? Let it be some other team's problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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