itchen_dan Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 (edited) http://www.insidefutbol.com/2013/10/13/napoli-is-possible-gaston-ramirez-has-problems-with-southampton-manager-mauricio-pochettino-agent-on-uruguayans-situation/103914/ Original - http://www.napolicalciolive.com/2013/10/12/esclusiva-lagente-di-ramirez-svela-il-napoli-ha-delle-chance-ecco-perche-vuole-andar-via/ Translation - http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.napolicalciolive.com/2013/10/12/esclusiva-lagente-di-ramirez-svela-il-napoli-ha-delle-chance-ecco-perche-vuole-andar-via/&usg=ALkJrhi6lBf3H6m7jOI_S9v-_DeGNu3XOg Would be gutted if it were the case. Really feel he could be a star for us. Edited 13 October, 2013 by itchen_dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Disagree. Has been very underwhelming and if we can make most of our money back then get rid and invest in a more effective player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 http://www.insidefutbol.com/2013/10/13/napoli-is-possible-gaston-ramirez-has-problems-with-southampton-manager-mauricio-pochettino-agent-on-uruguayans-situation/103914/ Original - http://www.napolicalciolive.com/2013/10/12/esclusiva-lagente-di-ramirez-svela-il-napoli-ha-delle-chance-ecco-perche-vuole-andar-via/ Translation - http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.napolicalciolive.com/2013/10/12/esclusiva-lagente-di-ramirez-svela-il-napoli-ha-delle-chance-ecco-perche-vuole-andar-via/&usg=ALkJrhi6lBf3H6m7jOI_S9v-_DeGNu3XOg Would be gutted if it were the case. Really feel he could be a star for us. Perhaps he doesn't work hard enough for Pochettino or can't take it if he does. Who knows but with MP if you don't work hard you probably won't play much. No great loss if we get a real 10 in instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Disagree. Has been very underwhelming and if we can make most of our money back then get rid and invest in a more effective player. +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Mark my words, if he leaves in a few years he will be tearing it up someone else and the same people saying get rid will be berating the clubs short sightedness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Mark my words, if he leaves in a few years he will be tearing it up someone else and the same people saying get rid will be berating the clubs short sightedness. But if he's never gonna do it for us then so what? Kevin Davies (2nd spell) was always gonna be a under performing player if he'd stayed with us, but off he went to Bolton and got a new lease of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 13 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Mark my words, if he leaves in a few years he will be tearing it up someone else and the same people saying get rid will be berating the clubs short sightedness. That's my thoughts. You can see he has the class and ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Personally I think the lad is utter, utter class but I'm not sure he's the attributes for the BPL nor is he hard working enough for Pochettino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 But if he's never gonna do it for us then so what? Kevin Davies (2nd spell) was always gonna be a under performing player if he'd stayed with us, but off he went to Bolton and got a new lease of life. It's far too early to say he's never going to do it, especially at his young age and after what was actually a very good season, despite what people like to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 It's far too early to say he's never going to do it, especially at his young age and after what was actually a very good season, despite what people like to say. Why do you feel he had a very good season for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Mark my words, if he leaves in a few years he will be tearing it up someone else and the same people saying get rid will be berating the clubs short sightedness. It's a big risk to hold onto a poorly performing player who has thus far shown little sign that he will burst into life. Much rather sell him and use the money to get someone who can improve us now rather than wait a few seasons for potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Mark my words, if he leaves in a few years he will be tearing it up someone else and the same people saying get rid will be berating the clubs short sightedness. Unless that 'someone else' is a Premier League club, it will mean very little. Gaston is clearly a very, very talented and intelligent footballer but for reasons I don't understand, he just hasn't worked as well for us as we hoped. In another league, with a different playing style, he will no doubt be excellent, but that won't prove we were right or wrong to get rid of him. We can only judge him on what he does for us, in the league we play in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Hes clearly a very talented player but I just can't see how he fits in an MP team. Our side is about workrate a closing teams down and that isn't Ramriez game. He didn't even get into the 18 last week and a telling game for me was West Ham, it was crying out for some one like him but MP left him on the bench preferring JWP instead. It'll be a shame if he goes as the flashes of class we've seen from him have been exciting but I can't see him fitting into the way we play now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Personally think Gaston has been hugely disappointing for us. I know everyone says he clearly is talented etc etc but you can only judge on what you see and for me he hasn't translated any of that talent to performances for us. You could argue that to get the best out of him he needs to play that number 10 role but that's a bit of a kick in the teeth for whoever gets dropped as so far they have done the business. If we can get a decent amount back for him then I don't think it's too much of a loss, and if he does go then good luck to the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Unless that 'someone else' is a Premier League club, it will mean very little. Gaston is clearly a very, very talented and intelligent footballer but for reasons I don't understand, he just hasn't worked as well for us as we hoped. In another league, with a different playing style, he will no doubt be excellent, but that won't prove we were right or wrong to get rid of him. We can only judge him on what he does for us, in the league we play in. Exactly. The man has talent but at the moment he's dead money and his value will have gone down what is the point waiting a few more years in the vain hope he is suddenly going to start trying and surely poch has seen what he's offering in training. Would rather get a capable replacement in that can contribute now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Personally I think the lad is utter, utter class but I'm not sure he's the attributes for the BPL nor is he hard working enough for Pochettino. Would agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 If we can get back the majority of what we paid for him and invest it in an attacking player more suited to our system and the league, I'd be more than happy to see him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northant Saint Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 In my opinion you shouldn't have to pay upwards of 10 mil for a player who will need several seasons to realise his potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 If we can get back the majority of what we paid for him and invest it in an attacking player more suited to our system and the league' date=' I'd be more than happy to see him go.[/quote'] I think most people with logic would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEVMAN Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 I think he went and saw MP the week of the Swansea game asking that he needed to be playing more,but how this came out to MP i don't know but he found himself out of the match day squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 I think he went and saw MP the week of the Swansea game asking that he needed to be playing more,but how this came out to MP i don't know but he found himself out of the match day squad Pochs attitude is more than likely that you have to earn your place and that gaston needs to work a little harder for that place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEVMAN Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Pochs attitude is more than likely that you have to earn your place and that gaston needs to work a little harder for that place That's exactly how i saw it,MP seems to be a man that wont be taken for a ride too easily.You put the work in and you get the rewards for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Whatever happens, I would back MP to make the right call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 That's exactly how i saw it,MP seems to be a man that wont be taken for a ride too easily.You put the work in and you get the rewards for it. I think there could well be some truth in the rumours that he will be moved on, wether he's been given enough chances to prove what he can do is open to debate. But as fans we can only judge what we see on the pitch and so far gaston has failed to show any consistency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 I think he went and saw MP the week of the Swansea game asking that he needed to be playing more,but how this came out to MP i don't know but he found himself out of the match day squad I saw him before the Swansea game walking away from the ground - so not even in the stadium for the game which I found a little odd TBH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 It's the club's money, it's their choice. I love the way that so many people are making financial decisions and suggestions without knowing the financial situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 It's the club's money, it's their choice. I love the way that so many people are making financial decisions and suggestions without knowing the financial situation. True, I've long held the view that with the amount of financial experts and football experts this forum is an untapped talent pool for the club to recruit from. I think cortese is missing a trick by not recruiting from here for all manner of senior positions within the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croydonsaint Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 I think that clearly Ramirez has that extra bit of class about him and he is likely to have a great career but he certainly has not made the impact with us that his cost required. I would like to see him given another run with us but if come the January window there are not clear signs that he can hold his place in the team we should replace him.. At this stage in our development we can't carry his cost with out a greater return than we have seen, unfortunately so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 True, I've long held the view that with the amount of financial experts and football experts this forum is an untapped talent pool for the club to recruit from. I think cortese is missing a trick by not recruiting from here for all manner of senior positions within the club. TBF I reckon many of us could do a better job running the TO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 It would be a shame. I do think he has fantastic ability, though I'd agree he is perhaps not an 'mp' player. I find some of the criticism odd, if you combine goals and assists, he contributed more than puncheon last season, who people were upset to lose. This is despite him being in and out of the team a lot, and actually playing less than punch. I do think he hasn't lived up to his potential, and can understand the thinking. I do just think it would be a shame. I'd still really like to see him given a chance with Ossie. I'd also say to those that aren't willing to give time to players that command big fees - what if Chelsea took that view with Drogba after his first season? I'm convinced our fans are too obsessed with fees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 To be honest, there's not really much longer you can cling onto the fact ''He clearly as class, we'll see it one day on the pitch''. We've been waiting now almost 18 months, and all we get are sporadic frustrating displays from someone who has ability, but clearly no real understanding of how to perform at this level or in the style and culture that this club wants everyone to play in. He'll be gone sooner rather than later and I think he'll go back to Italy where the game is more suited to his style. We need to shift ASAP to ensure we get the most money back for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 His lack of time on the pitch suggests he is an under-used asset and that perhaps a speedy wide player would add more to Pochettino's options but if we get a couple of injuries in mid-season, Gaston is genuine quality available to step in. Unless they get a remarkably high offer and have a player in mind to fill his spot in the squad, can't see the club letting him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpbury Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Just had a quick look on tinternet about Argentine-Uruguayan relations. Seems like Uruguay is the Scotland to Argentina's England. Maybe that's involved. Personally, think he should knuckle down, get some good performances in and clear off next summer, if he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan abnormal Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Would be a shame, I think he is almost the only player in the squad to have the ability to provide a moment of magic to win a game. Its just a shame that when he's not not playing very well he seems unable to make even the simplest passes. From reading Morgans interview it seemed MP wanted a no10 but most have decided that Gaston isn't in his plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Personally I think the lad is utter, utter class but I'm not sure he's the attributes for the BPL nor is he hard working enough for Pochettino. This probably sums it up. If he's not playing for us or even in the match day 18, he'll be off soon enough, no doubt about it. Plus I'd imagine MP will be keen to reinvest the £10m transfer fee and £60k p/w wages on someone he feels he can use and trust to get a lot out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Because of the hype and price tag some fans will think he is great or will become great. Dont see it myself and certainly doesnt fit our style. If we can get 10-12m take it v.quick!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Obviously if Pochettino doesn't think he has a future at the club then it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. I do however think that people go over the top about what a monumental failure he's been. He made a very decent contribution last year and played excellent in some important wins for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Mark my words, if he leaves in a few years he will be tearing it up someone else and the same people saying get rid will be berating the clubs short sightedness. Yep. Like we should have sold Lallana for £500,000 too. People on here, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 I think Poch is having trouble fitting all the pieces into the jigsaw. Lallana's form has meant the 'No. 10' position is not available to him and he has already changed the formation to accommodate Osvaldo. Gaston is never going to be a work horse or a holding midfielder and I can't really see him playing wide either. Until Lallana has a dip in form or an injury, his game time is going to remain limited. £12m is a lot for a covering player, it just depends that if he is off loaded, who is the likely replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Yep. Like we should have sold Lallana for £500,000 too. People on here, lol. Who thought Lallana should have been sold for £500k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Who thought Lallana should have been sold for £500k? Tbf there were plenty who said we should offload both Lallana and Schneiderlin when we were on our way down to and in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 We should play him more, especially at home when teams come and park the bus. In most games I've seen this season we have had trouble unlocking defences, which he can do. Should play him in the hole, behind Osvaldo. Think Rickie's gone off the boil a bit/people finding him out (as cliche goes). Gaston can still do the unusual. (as could a certain MLT) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 Tbf there were plenty who said we should offload both Lallana and Schneiderlin when we were on our way down to and in L1. I can't remember loads saying we should get rid of both. Remember some debate over MS's ability to be strong enough at CM for the lower leagues which was probably a fair question. Ramirez is a 22 year old £12m signing that is currently behind Guly in the pecking order - you must see why some might think it'd make sense for all parties to cash in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 It's far too early to say he's never going to do it, especially at his young age and after what was actually a very good season, despite what people like to say. Too early? At 22 years old? How long could you possibly justify his huge wages without him playing for the first team? We may find he leaves and smashes it in a few years. We could equally find he's worth £2 million if he sits at Saints seeing out his contract for the next few years. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but is never worth a damn. We can find better quality, more gifted players for lower transfer fees and wages. If he had a good season last term then I must've missed that. Cash in and move on. Who cares if he bangs in a few goals back in Italy. I personally think there is a very good chance he's at the peak of his value right now and I'd happily see him on his way. A player of his reputation really should be able to hold onto the ball for 3 seconds and realise the pace of the game around him. IMO this hasn't been the case since he's been at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 It's a long season. We're going to need all our squad once the injuries and suspensions start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 By default anyone below Guly in the squad should be sold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 In my opinion you shouldn't have to pay upwards of 10 mil for a player who will need several seasons to realise his potential. So we shouldn't have sold Walcott, Bale or Chamberlain for more than £10 million? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 If we can get the same money we paid for him, and are willing to go out and sign a better replacement in January, I'm all for it. But we're lacking in creativity as it is. I personally think Ramirez just needs a run in the team. I'm all for sentiment but I feel we should be playing Osvaldo OR Lambert, not both, and not let sentiment get in the way if it's Lambert that is dropped. Ramirez and Osvaldo working together at their best up front? Now THAT sounds good. Will we ever see it? Doubtful, but there's always hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 I think he went and saw MP the week of the Swansea game asking that he needed to be playing more,but how this came out to MP i don't know but he found himself out of the match day squad At least this proves that he wants to play. Fair play to him for having the balls to speak to the manager about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 13 October, 2013 Share Posted 13 October, 2013 That's exactly how i saw it,MP seems to be a man that wont be taken for a ride too easily.You put the work in and you get the rewards for it. Hence Steven Davis' role in the side at present - not the best ability, and I say that with no disrespect, but my word he puts a shift in & can understand why Pochettino would like him. In our current system, I'd rather have Davis in the no.10 role than Ramirez, and that tells you everything you need to know about Gaston's shortcomings. No-one is doubting his ability, but his work rate leaves a lot to be desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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