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Viking Warrior

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Not sure wiltsheres comment were the wisest comments to make about this topic

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It could be dreamed as racist . Look at MO Farrah a refugee but lived most of his time in the uk . What a brilliant athlete and an unassuming guy just like SRL

 

Does Wiltshire have a point or should he just shut up and go behind the bike shed for a quick fag

 

I don't believe for one minute his comments he doesn't smoke either

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The Kraken

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I think he's got a point; but there's clearly a massive shade of grey in there which someone like Jack Wilshere isn't clever enough to understand or put forward as a theory. MLT was on Talksport earlier and I don't think he got the balance right either, when he said that only those born in England or have English parents should be allowed to represent the country at football.

 

I'm not sure myself where the dividing line is. As said Mo Farah is a good example to use; but he also has a British father as well as having lived here since 8 years old.

 

I'm not sure if there is a right answer but, for me, representing your country should be restricted to those who have spent at least most of their life living there and taken up full nationality. It's far too easy for sportspeople these days to do a Rusedski and cash in on the increased sponsorship from UK sports.

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I think he's got a point; but there's clearly a massive shade of grey in there which someone like Jack Wilshere isn't clever enough to understand or put forward as a theory. MLT was on Talksport earlier and I don't think he got the balance right either, when he said that only those born in England or have English parents should be allowed to represent the country at football.

 

I'm not sure myself where the dividing line is. As said Mo Farah is a good example to use; but he also has a British father as well as having lived here since 8 years old.

 

I'm not sure if there is a right answer but, for me, representing your country should be restricted to those who have spent at least most of their life living there and taken up full nationality. It's far too easy for sportspeople these days to do a Rusedski and cash in on the increased sponsorship from UK sports.

 

I think the line is definitely somewhere between Farah (came here as a child) and Januzaj (came here as a footballer).

 

I don't want an England team of Januzajs and Artetas. I would honestly rather not qualify for stuff.

 

Also, can someone explain how Chris Froome is British? He seems to have spent about four weeks here in his entire life.

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I think the line is definitely somewhere between Farah (came here as a child) and Januzaj (came here as a footballer).

 

I don't want an England team of Januzajs and Artetas. I would honestly rather not qualify for stuff.

 

Also, can someone explain how Chris Froome is British? He seems to have spent about four weeks here in his entire life.

 

I agree with Wilshire in regard to the overall principle of what he is said. The problem is where do you draw the line? If someone moves here at the age of 15, should that qualify them to play for England? It's not just a football issue, but Rugby and Cricket have obvious examples and I guess other sports.

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I think the line is definitely somewhere between Farah (came here as a child) and Januzaj (came here as a footballer).

I don't want an England team of Januzajs and Artetas. I would honestly rather not qualify for stuff.

 

Also, can someone explain how Chris Froome is British? He seems to have spent about four weeks here in his entire life.

100% agree with that. That Januzaj is even being talked about as a future England international is ridiculous.

 

I think football has currently got much better rules for foreigners than other sports, and I believe a lot of that is down to an agreement between the Home Nations. The grandfather rule works ok but is still open to re-working and refining.

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B*ll*x to that, we need all the help we can get. Wiltshere is just scared of losing his place to someone who is actually good.

Considering all the hype re Wilshire, I was surprised when it was stated that he scored his first goal ( a deflection)in the PL for 3 years!!!

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I think the line is definitely somewhere between Farah (came here as a child) and Januzaj (came here as a footballer).

 

I don't want an England team of Januzajs and Artetas. I would honestly rather not qualify for stuff.

 

Also, can someone explain how Chris Froome is British? He seems to have spent about four weeks here in his entire life.

 

Because Kenyan British is something very different altogether.

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My nephew (brother's son) was born and raised in Wales (English father, Welsh mother) yet he has always supported England over and above Wales and has always said he would far rather represent England at any sport.

 

My daughter is also half English, despite being born here in Minsk.

 

I guess, going by Wilshires wishes, neither of these could represent England at any sport? Nor, in the case of my daughter, Britain.

 

Wilshire can do one!!

 

However, I do have concerns about athletes in general doing a Zola Budd or Greg Rusedski - and would find it difficult to cheer on an English team with non-Englishmen in it. Although, I guess I would learn how it feels to be an Eire supporter.

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According to sky he has also got into a spat with Kevin pietersen on twitter over this . What happens if your parents are working overseas when you are born . Are they British or Indian in the case of cliff Richards

 

Cliff Richard was the son of parents who were Anglo Indians, he was also born in British India so different altogether.

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Bradley Wiggins was born in Ghent, and his father was Australian. Also, this would really screw over the Ashes squad.

 

Wiggins is English, not Belgian, his mum is and his father was working in Belgium, similar to Strauss I believe (except the Belgian bit) who was here at a very young age.

 

And although it can't be in the official criteria, those two demonstrate clear affinity and "englishness". It helps.

 

Froome, on the other hand, demonstrates no affinity, and doesn't seem to have spent longer than two weeks in succession on our little island. Joke.

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Whilst there needs to be rules, if everyone was truely honest (I know, fat chance) then you should play for the country to which you feel you belong. Therefore if Chris froome truely considers himself to be English despite living abroad for most of his life then he is English. The issue with januzaj is that he hasn't decided which team he wants to play for, which is ridiculous as he must know in his heart of hearts what nationality he considers himself to be.

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Athletics has the obvious example of what is right and wrong in my eyes . Farah - yes, Budd - No - someone who is bought over due to their talent compared with someone who has lived here as a kid from British parents.

 

So each case on its merits I suppose but its hardly as if the international game is now considered the pinnacle of footballing achievement , why would anyone come here just to get in the national squad ?

 

Also agree with Wenger who suggested we didn't want to get into a situation where people were bunged money to change passports

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Whilst there needs to be rules, if everyone was truely honest (I know, fat chance) then you should play for the country to which you feel you belong. Therefore if Chris froome truely considers himself to be English despite living abroad for most of his life then he is English. The issue with januzaj is that he hasn't decided which team he wants to play for, which is ridiculous as he must know in his heart of hearts what nationality he considers himself to be.

 

Agree the Januzaj debate is ridiculous. He's scored a couple of goals against Sunderland. Big f'ing deal. And it's not like he's been here for years already... He wouldn't qualify for England until 2018!

 

But apparently the reason he hasn't got an official football nationality yet is because his parents are Kosovan and Kosovo is not recognised by FIFA due to not being recognised by the UN due to Russia's veto due to Serbia being an ally of Russia.

 

So it's all a bit ridiculous and just makes England look a bit desperate.

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Does this now mean we don't want Morgan to play for England then?

 

Wilshire has opened up a new line of debate IF it gets taken that way as to what IS an English"man".

 

What kind of tests could you apply? KP & Trotty seem to be all things English these days with the 3 Lions running deep in their blood.

 

Does Morgan drink Carling or Kantebrau? Does drinking Chateau Neuf Du Pape & liking your Roast Beef flavoured with Garic make me French?

 

My kids are as English as they come, but have spent around half their lives living abroad.

 

At what point did Mo actually become fully English? Not sure in the current planetoid you could count being educated in the "English System" as qualifying you as it seems a lot of the Education these days tries to add "new culture" to the mix.

 

Should Januzak play for England? No way. But then Lucas Podolski is related to my wife's family so why the hell is he playing for Germany?

 

Morgan has now lived HOW long in an English Culture?

 

It seemed an innocent Tweet by a numpty footballer, but it could lead to an interesting debate.

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I was born in Hanover, too! (My sister in Hamelyn.)

 

Also born in Hanover, but I don't think that is the point that Jack was making... I happen to agree with him 100%

 

I think that the point he was making was quite a simple one and I can't believe that people are even suggesting that what he said was at all racist or xenophonic, its ridiculous.

 

People know what nationality they are and I very much doubt that Januzaj has any real want to play for England. If he did I can only see it being from a commercial point of view.

 

As far as I can see he is waiting to see if Kosovo get accepting by FIFA and then he ill play international footbal for them, and fair play to him (assuming I'm right) that he is waiting to play for the team that he feels he most belongs to.

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I was born in Hanover, too! (My sister in Hamelyn.)

 

British Military Hospital in Munster, West Germany. Registered with the British Consulate straight away, so the Hun couldn't call me up.

 

Terry Butcher was born in Singapore, his dad was in the RAF. I am 100% sure Jack isn't talking about this, rather the likes of say, Morgan playing for England, or Eduardo De Silva for Croatia, just because they have worked in a particular country for a while. International football will lose its meaning if this carries on.

 

Wilshere being portrayed as racist by some in the media, is ridiculous.

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