Gemmel Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/10727248.Council_makes_decision_on_Saints__training_ground_plans/?ref=twt I am assuming this is over and above the additional expansion plans? There was previoulsy a dome - so no real surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 There was a training 'dome' but nothing on that scale. Must be for the next phase of development as I've seen plans for the extra pitches somewhere already, i'm sure MLG is around somewhere to clarify. Good to have the support from the council powers that be either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Extra pitches and a dome extending onto what was previously land designated for agricultural use, so a good deal from NFDC . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 An extra 108 car parking spaces means the club should be able to roughly cover the cost of the training ground about 4 days after it has finished and is being used... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Staplewood+Lane,+Southampton&hl=en&ll=50.888003,-1.46013&spn=0.005239,0.011362&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=10.282311,23.269043&oq=staplewood+lane&hnear=Staplewood+Ln,+Southampton+SO40+4WJ,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=17 A natural progression really as the fields are surrounded by a built up area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Here are all the documents: http://web3.newforest.gov.uk/ConnectAcolaidWebExternal/SearchDocumentsExternal.aspx?cpAcolaid+System=DC&cpAcolaid+Reference=13/10844 And the final revised plan of the site: http://web3.newforest.gov.uk/ConnectAcolaidWebExternal/GetDocumentContentExternal.aspx?documentId=680058&filename=5890_D01C.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Having read through some of the docs, this is all for Academy use (only one of the pitches was full-size), but is only for a period of 5 years, as the land is designated for residential use after that... I can only assume there is a longer term plan to move the Academy, and perhaps even the whole training ground, somewhere else in that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 9 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Having read through some of the docs, this is all for Academy use (only one of the pitches was full-size), but is only for a period of 5 years, as the land is designated for residential use after that... I can only assume there is a longer term plan to move the Academy, and perhaps even the whole training ground, somewhere else in that time? I think we rent some of the land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Great to see Minty- thanks. A reservoir to conserve water and a Nature area is well thought out too. I expect the owners of Staplewood Cottage would rather have a green "playing field" than masses of Persimmon Homes at the bottom of their garden. I wonder if the club have bought the land or will lease it from the farmer.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 does anyone have picture of the all-new 40ft Cortesedome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 As I told you months ago the extra fields had been purchased and SSE were asked to remove the remaining overhead line in order for them to build the new dome and pitches. I was involved in taking down the older overheads during the initial phase of this (of which was one of my worst jobs ever that atleast one other SWF poster can probably remember) though I wont be involved in this phase I did see the plans and talked to some of the guys at the training ground and I must admit its bloody impressive. I think this is extra to the initial plans for the existing site (which have changed back and forth a few times) so I imagine this is extra cost to the initial 15m ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Remember what happened last time the Echo reported that the club had acquired planning permission at Staplewood... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Great to see Minty- thanks. A reservoir to conserve water and a Nature area is well thought out too. I expect the owners of Staplewood Cottage would rather have a green "playing field" than masses of Persimmon Homes at the bottom of their garden. I wonder if the club have bought the land or will lease it from the farmer.? I heard we bought it, but I cant say for definate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 does anyone have picture of the all-new 40ft Cortesedome? Shouldn't that be the 5ft 4" Cortesedome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Shouldn't that be the 5ft 4" Cortesedome? It claims to be 40ft, but it's only 32ft in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Application form shows the land owner as being Simon Barker of Longdown Management Ltd, Marchwood. ( http://web3.newforest.gov.uk/ConnectAcolaidWebExternal/GetDocumentContentExternal.aspx?documentId=623068&filename=Application+Form+Redacted.pdf ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Application form shows the land owner as being Simon Barker of Longdown Management Ltd, Marchwood. ( http://web3.newforest.gov.uk/ConnectAcolaidWebExternal/GetDocumentContentExternal.aspx?documentId=623068&filename=Application+Form+Redacted.pdf ) "Temporary 5 year use" Hmm, interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 "Temporary 5 year use" Hmm, interesting. The more I read, the more I realise this is not because the development is temporary in the clubs eyes, but rather what is required to get it past the planning committee at this juncture. The Local Plan Part 2 (All councils have to have a Local Plan) designates Parks Farm as a potential site for residential development in the future, but doesn't mean they will necessarily be built in 5 years time... indeed to quote from the NFDC Policy response to the application: Policy MAR2 in the Local Plan Part 2 proposes land at Park’s Farm for up to around 100 new homes. The Plan is currently at Examination. The Inspector examining the plan has issued a Post-Hearing Note in which he sets out his concerns and changes he thinks are necessary in order to make the Plan ‘sound’. The Inspector has not expressed any principle concerns regarding the Council’s proposals in Policy MAR2. Therefore the policy should be afforded significant weight as it is likely to go forward as a housing allocation in the Plan. There is clearly a conflict between the proposed housing allocation and the proposed sports facilities. Although granting a temporary permission does not preclude the potential that housing could come forward on the site at a later date within the plan period, and there is no requirement that the that the site be developed for housing early in the plan period, it is considered that the development of a training ground could compromise the likelihood of housing being developed on the site. In conclusion the proposal would appear to conflict with the relevant development plan policies. In these circumstances it is for the applicant to demonstrate an overriding need for the proposal and other material considerations which might justify an exception to the relevant policies. It is understood that representatives from Southampton Football Club have put forward such arguments at a meeting with Senior Council Officers. Consideration will need to be given to whether the arguments put forward justify an exception to the relevant policies. SFC may simply hope that housing needs and plans may have changed within the next 5 years... and frankly, with government policies changing all the time, especially if we get a different colour next time round, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Mr & Mrs Starns aren't particularly happy with the whole arrangement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 How many pitches do we need???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Mr & Mrs Starns aren't particularly happy with the whole arrangement Lol, bit of an understatement. And to be honest, I can kind of understand it. But I doubt that occasional football pitch use by Academy kids will have quite the detrimental effect that think it will have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 (edited) How many pitches do we need???? For the academy? Where I would assume players start with us from ages of around 6 upwards? Quite a few. Also, having more than a couple gives you the opportunity to train defenders, midfielders etc. seperately. In fact if you look at the plans above it lists the uses of the pitches - Under 9s/10s, U13s, and over 18s. One pitch is unlabeled though which I would assume is for the U18s. Edited 9 October, 2013 by Saint_clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Mr & Mrs Starns aren't particularly happy with the whole arrangement Qué? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Qué? They live in Marchwood Cottage which is surrounded by Parks Farm and wrote several letters objecting to the plans on the above links... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 They live in Marchwood Cottage which is surrounded by Parks Farm and wrote several letters objecting to the plans on the above links... Yeah, only just saw them. My bad. "Noise from dome fans", jesus christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Mr & Mrs Starns aren't particularly happy with the whole arrangement Feckin Skates, the pair of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Mr & Mrs Starns aren't particularly happy with the whole arrangement And nor are their vegetables... Although, I daresay they might eventually prefer playng fields which will be used by kids of all ages to another load of houses, cars .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 And nor are their vegetables... Although, I daresay they might eventually prefer playng fields which will be used by kids of all ages to another load of houses, cars .... Exactly. A site with houses on one side and a main road on the other was always ripe for some kind of development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Worth stating that the Local Plan that NFDC have drawn up (and which I think is currently being consulted on) is designed to guide development across the NFDC area until 2026... which is a long time. The housing that has been earmarked for Parks Farm might be planned for any time during that period depending on population growth in the area, and might even change completely. I suspect we'll see the club apply for further permissions in 4 years time, to continue to use the land etc, unless we do have a plan to move it all somewhere else? Something I doubt we'll know about any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 9 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 9 October, 2013 "Temporary 5 year use" Hmm, interesting. Not really. The Longdown estate own huge amounts of land in the County and are very supportive (from my previous experience) of projects like this. Through an association with a local junior football club, there were talks, where land was provided free of charge, if the club took responsibility of its upkeep, which provides a win win for both parties. I am not saying this is the same sort of deal, but could be along those lines and therefore it makes sense to the owners for a short lease, which can always be extended in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonraker Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Just read the objections of Mr and Mrs Starns, wow this is really going to impact on their lives! noise from the dome banging away 24 hours a day and unable to walk her dog around a field that dos not belong to her? not forgetting her phobia of people, perhaps they should move to a more remote location, Marchwood is hardly Dartmoor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattio Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 does anyone have picture of the all-new 40ft Cortesedome? According to the Echo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen_dan Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 (edited) According to the Echo This is the company that provides inflatable domes. Don't know if same company but would assume something similar http://www.covair.co.uk E.g here is Ajax's dome made by Covair. Looks extremely impressive if you ask me. [video=youtube_share;jN4ENfeEe6Q] Edited 9 October, 2013 by itchen_dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Just read the objections of Mr and Mrs Starns, wow this is really going to impact on their lives! noise from the dome banging away 24 hours a day and unable to walk her dog around a field that dos not belong to her? not forgetting her phobia of people, perhaps they should move to a more remote location, Marchwood is hardly Dartmoor. yeah i found myself unsympathetic with the starns. Suck it starns! I was thinking to myself. I hope the 2.5m acoustic fence falls over + crushes ur cucumbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 The 1st dome was demolished, wonder how the new one is coming on, the whole ground infact... Club been very quiet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Shouldn't that be the 5ft 4" Cortesedome? who runs bartertown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Just read the objections of Mr and Mrs Starns, wow this is really going to impact on their lives! noise from the dome banging away 24 hours a day and unable to walk her dog around a field that dos not belong to her? not forgetting her phobia of people, perhaps they should move to a more remote location, Marchwood is hardly Dartmoor. Perhaps Longdown Estates would have put a load of outdoor pigs on the land had he not obtained PP for SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 Anyone have any update on the progress of the training ground? Thought it was meant to be finished by 'early 2014' last I heard…looks half built and abandoned in a few on the training ground interview videos I've seen on YouTube/OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 Anyone have any update on the progress of the training ground? Thought it was meant to be finished by 'early 2014' last I heard…looks half built and abandoned in a few on the training ground interview videos I've seen on YouTube/OS. B-I-L was there this week. Says it's looking great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 Anyone have any update on the progress of the training ground? Thought it was meant to be finished by 'early 2014' last I heard…looks half built and abandoned in a few on the training ground interview videos I've seen on YouTube/OS. It's meant to be almost there and due to be completed by the summer, a few months behind schedule but the pictures I've seen look fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 Anyone have any update on the progress of the training ground? Thought it was meant to be finished by 'early 2014' last I heard…looks half built and abandoned in a few on the training ground interview videos I've seen on YouTube/OS. What in the videos makes you think its been "abandoned"? Here for example is the spectator stand tonight... Its very close to completion, as is the main pavilion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 28 February, 2014 Share Posted 28 February, 2014 That's good news, I (incorrectly) assumed construction had stalled, glad to see that's not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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