Southampton the 4th crappest town in the UK

[Barry Sanchez]

Liverpool is a great city with some great people, I love visiting, but personally prefer living on the south coast. Maybe I could be tempted to Southport or somewhere similar, but personally i prefer the quiet life here in Poole. The weather is better, there's enough pubs and restaurants for me and we're a stones throw from beautiful beaches and countryside. I've met plenty of liverpudlians over the years and not many of them ever moved back, so it can't be to everyones taste.

 

At the end of the day, if you're happy and feel you're at home, does it matter what any ody else thinks. I have lived in many places and this is the place I've most felt like I belong .

 

True but many down there there have the innate belief its the best place in the UK and scorn the rest, most have never ventured out of their cul de sac grey existence and actually travelled and seen the places they take the **** out of and thats what makes a division, a 30 year joke with no substance from a pre pubescent child who quite frankly knows **** all about anything, how can anyone from Thornhill, Bitterne, Millbrook, Sholing, Weston, Northern, Chapel, Bevios Valley and Woolston take the **** out of Liverpool is quite frankly on another planet and has obviously never been up here.

[Barry Sanchez]

Small guide to local slang.

 

Plastic scouser = someone from Wirral

Manc = mancunian

Wool(lyback) = anyone between Liverpool and Manc

Shandy drinking southern bastard = Southerners, including me

 

All depends if you can handle a bit of banter.

 

Plastic Scouser is someone from Runcorn/Wirral

Wooly is someone from St Helens, Widnes, Hough Green, Ormskirk, Southport and Warrington. (You could also argue the purple wheelie bin argument, this would include Huyton, Halewood, Kirkby and even Bootle would I would never call a Bootle lad a wool)

Shandy drinking southern bastard is something I have never heard, they dislike the London attitude and for the most I agree, ie they think it **** up here until they get here and then they stay like many.

[Sour Mash]

True but many down there there have the innate belief its the best place in the UK and scorn the rest, most have never ventured out of their cul de sac grey existence and actually travelled and seen the places they take the **** out of and thats what makes a division, a 30 year joke with no substance from a pre pubescent child who quite frankly knows **** all about anything, how can anyone from Thornhill, Bitterne, Millbrook, Sholing, Weston, Northern, Chapel, Bevios Valley and Woolston take the **** out of Liverpool is quite frankly on another planet and has obviously never been up here.

Where on this thread has anyone posted that?

[Sour Mash]

they think it **** up here until they get here and then they stay like many.

Far more scousers settle down south than the other way around. Has been the case for many years.

[Barry Sanchez]

Far more scousers settle down south than the other way around. Has been the case for many years.

 

I would not deny that, but there are 500,000 Liverpudlians and another 1,000,000 people from Merseyside, a lot of people to move around the Country working and the like,

[buctootim]

UK Population

 

Edited 10 October, 2013 by buctootim

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Liverpool's alright...best I can say really. Would far prefer to live where I do now.

[Sour Mash]

I would not deny that, but there are 500,000 Liverpudlians and another 1,000,000 people from Merseyside, a lot of people to move around the Country working and the like,

And how many millions of Southerners to move up to the North-West of England? Just doesn't happen does it.

[Barry Sanchez]

UK Population

 

 

The movement of people and the changing of industry is always happening, that graph show for the last 10 years the population has been pretty stagnant, not too sure what this proves, Southamptons population is growing but is that because they cant afford to live in Romsey, Winchester and Botley?

[Whitey Grandad]

Plastic Scouser is someone from Runcorn/Wirral

Wooly is someone from St Helens, Widnes, Hough Green, Ormskirk, Southport and Warrington. (You could also argue the purple wheelie bin argument, this would include Huyton, Halewood, Kirkby and even Bootle would I would never call a Bootle lad a wool)

Shandy drinking southern bastard is something I have never heard, they dislike the London attitude and for the most I agree, ie they think it **** up here until they get here and then they stay like many.

 

London is in constant turnover, give it three months and everybody's changed. In a big city like London you can spend all day working with people and then go home and never see them again. That's one of the reasons why nobody talks to their neighbours whilst waiting for the bus or standing on the tube, you'll most likely never see them again. When we moved down to this area in 1971 we immediately noticed how much friendlier everybody was, and I'm sure it's the same for other parts of the country. In the local business community here you generally know most people within a twenty mile circle, or at least, know somebody who knows somebody. Most of my family are from north London and their attitudes are very parochial.

[Barry Sanchez]

And how many millions of Southerners to move up to the North-West of England? Just doesn't happen does it.

 

What sort of statement is that, do you think they clamour to come to Southampton? You are merely proving the point I was making in previous posts.

[buctootim]

The movement of people and the changing of industry is always happening, that graph show for the last 10 years the population has been pretty stagnant, not too sure what this proves, Southamptons population is growing but is that because they cant afford to live in Romsey, Winchester and Botley?

 

It shows that despite the growing UK population and the low cost of housing in both Liverpool and Merseyside people aren't moving there. You did and you have a nicer house than you would down south due to llack of demand, that's fine. Southampton isn't paradise, the Liverpool v Southampton argument is like two uglies battling it out over who has got the cutest nose.

Edited 10 October, 2013 by buctootim

[Barry Sanchez]

London is in constant turnover, give it three months and everybody's changed. In a big city like London you can spend all day working with people and then go home and never see them again. That's one of the reasons why nobody talks to their neighbours whilst waiting for the bus or standing on the tube, you'll most likely never see them again. When we moved down to this area in 1971 we immediately noticed how much friendlier everybody was, and I'm sure it's the same for other parts of the country. In the local business community here you generally know most people within a twenty mile circle, or at least, know somebody who knows somebody. Most of my family are from north London and their attitudes are very parochial.

 

 

Or it could the vast majority of it is now an absolute ****hole.

[Barry Sanchez]

It shows that despite the growing UK population and the low cost of housing in both Liverpool and Merseyside people aren't moving there. You did and you have a nicer house than you would down south due to low prices through lack of demand, that's fine. Southampton isn't paradise, the Liverpool v Southampton argument is like two uglies battling it out over who has got the cutest nose.

 

It would be interesting to see how many Poles and Eastern Europeans have inflated the population of Southampton as opposed to the indigenous population, cheap housing and low paid jobs?

[Barry Sanchez]

And how many millions of Southerners to move up to the North-West of England? Just doesn't happen does it.

 

How many Merseysiders do you honestly think live in Southampton? Do you think they owe you a debt of gratitude for moving about their own Country and working? You sound ike you will pull out a Harry Enfield joke in a minute, you need to travel a bit lad. Try Eastleigh today and Winchester tomorrow.

[buctootim]

It would be interesting to see how many Poles and Eastern Europeans have inflated the population of Southampton as opposed to the indigenous population, cheap housing and low paid jobs?

 

And they aren't flooding into Liverpool because.....?

[Barry Sanchez]

And they aren't flooding into Liverpool because.....?

 

They are here of course they are and they are very welcome, the issue is we have 1000's of immigrants in this City and they contribute a lot, have done been here longer than any other City in the UK, learn a bit mate, Liverpools City population is declining like most industrial Cites but the outskirts and areas by it are increasing, Cheshire, the Wirral and West Lancs for example,

[aintforever]

Cheshire, the Wirral and West Lancs for example,

 

Not Liverpool you mean.

[buctootim]

Liverpools City population is declining like most industrial Cites but the outskirts and areas by it are increasing, Cheshire, the Wirral and West Lancs for example,

 

Which part of the graph showing the population of the wider Liverpool city region declining / stagnant didnt you see? People are moving to areas which are a bit less ****, thats all. Both Liverpool and Southampton's past is as industrial port cities so the point makes no sense.

[Whitey Grandad]

Or it could the vast majority of it is now an absolute ****hole.

 

To be fair that applies to a lot of places.

[Sour Mash]

What sort of statement is that, do you think they clamour to come to Southampton? You are merely proving the point I was making in previous posts.

Which point is that? That there is more demand for living in Southampton than Liverpool?

[Barry Sanchez]

Not Liverpool you mean.

 

Thats correct they are not Liverpool, not too sure what the point is? Industrials Cities populations are declining, try the other major ones? The opening up of Cities happened after the war, the knocking down of slums and moving people to the outskirks, Liverpool had places like Huyton, Skelmersdale, Kirkby and Halewood built, learn a bit lad, they are not in Liverpool but right on the edge of bar Skelmersdale which is 13 miles to the North, do your research.

[Barry Sanchez]

Which point is that? That there is more demand for living in Southampton than Liverpool?

 

I dont know about that and I cant argue that either way, not too sure what it proves anyway and is some way of the conversation point of why Southampton has been voted the 4th crappest town in the UK.

[Barry Sanchez]

To be fair that applies to a lot of places.

 

I agree.

[Sour Mash]

How many Merseysiders do you honestly think live in Southampton? Do you think they owe you a debt of gratitude for moving about their own Country and working? You sound ike you will pull out a Harry Enfield joke in a minute, you need to travel a bit lad. Try Eastleigh today and Winchester tomorrow.

Why would I think anyone would owe me a debt of gratitude? Where have I suggested that? Been to Liverpool over 20 times, so know the city fairly well thanks. Never lived in or around Southampton, so you're off the mark on that one as well. Must try harder Bazza old son, you're having a 'mare here.

[Barry Sanchez]

Which part of the graph showing the population of the wider Liverpool city region declining / stagnant didnt you see? People are moving to areas which are a bit less ****, thats all. Both Liverpool and Southampton's past is as industrial port cities so the point makes no sense.

 

 

Southampton is not classed as an industrial City, a port City but not an industrial one, no Southern City has an industrial past, the first is Birmingham I think? NOt sure London is an industrial City, could be open for discussion, right of for a meal and a glass of wine in the City in Liverpool 1, ta ta.

[buctootim]

Thats correct they are not Liverpool, not too sure what the point is? Industrials Cities populations are declining, try the other major ones? The opening up of Cities happened after the war, the knocking down of slums and moving people to the outskirks, Liverpool had places like Huyton, Skelmersdale, Kirkby and Halewood built, learn a bit lad, they are not in Liverpool but right on the edge of bar Skelmersdale which is 13 miles to the North, do your research.

 

Its a ******** point Barry, you're 15 years out of date - the movement of people moving back into city centres has been going on for ages. In any event you think the same thing didn't happen in Southampton? Chandler's Ford, West end, Boyatt Wood etc etc

[moonraker]

From Southampton being on an insignificant and meaningless list of Crap Towns why has this degenerated into a Liverpool v Southampton ding dong? I have not lived in either, but I have visited both on many occasions visiting relatives and friends, for business and for football. I would not move to either city they are both wanabee big cities with no unique features or attaraction, with typical wanabee city problems and notable deprived areas. Neither is a patch on London, Cardiff, Glasgow, Manchester, Bristol or Newcastle and neither are in the same carpiness league as Bradford, Portsmouth, (I have lived there and despite the heritage it is still a pile of sh*te), Middleborough, Hull, Newport and many more. In my opinion cities are best when they can are small and intimate more like Chester, Cambridge, Bath, Salisbury. One other point Tourism really is good for a city, the small cities I mentioned all have significant tourist industries yet are highly desirable places to live with high property values, low crime, a wide variety of employment across the salasry range, multiple leisure choices and generally a cleaner and more pleasant environment.

[Sour Mash]

I dont know about that and I cant argue that either way, not too sure what it proves anyway and is some way of the conversation point of why Southampton has been voted the 4th crappest town in the UK.

It hasn't been though. Keep up at the back Barry la'.

[Barry Sanchez]

Moonraker you obviously have not been to iverpool recently, worse than Manchester, Bristol, Cardiff and Newcastle? Christ alive.

[Barry Sanchez]

Its a ******** point Barry, you're 15 years out of date - the movement of people moving back into city centres has been going on for ages. In any event you think the same thing didn't happen in Southampton? Chandler's Ford, West end, Boyatt Wood etc etc

 

Maybe Southampton but not in major Cities it has not, right off now.

[buctootim]

Wassup? The restaurant been burnt down and the wine nicked?

Edited 10 October, 2013 by buctootim

[moonraker]

Southampton is not classed as an industrial City, a port City but not an industrial one, no Southern City has an industrial past, the first is Birmingham I think? NOt sure London is an industrial City, could be open for discussion, right of for a meal and a glass of wine in the City in Liverpool 1, ta ta.

 

Where can I find the official classification for cities in terms of Industrial City, Port City, etc? Your point that no Southern City has an industrial past is simply ridiculous and demonstrates you have little knowledge of industrial history and heritage or are just another WUM. Take Bristol, it has been or still is a major centre for Ship Building, Aircraft Manufacture, Engine Manufacture, Chocolate, Cigarettes are these not industries built on industrial processess. Also if you looked beyond the Georgian Facade of Bath you would discover that up until the 1980's the City had a significant industrial base, Stothert and Pitt Crane Makers to the World, Bath Cabinet Makers Pitman’s Press plus significant others including Clarks Shoes all industrial companies employing over 10,000 people out of a working population of maybe 25,000.

[moonraker]

Twice this year and twice last year, its far better than it was, it may get into the finals of the most improved but it is still way behind thiose I named, in my opinion.

[Dr. Kucho]

To move back on topic from this boring Southampton v Liverpool nonsense, what should Southampton City Councill do to improve our city?

 

Improvements would be,

- Demolishing West Quay and the business park behind West Quay.

- Rebuilding the city centre

- improving infrastructure

- Upgrading Mayflower park and the waterfront

[Sour Mash]

To move back on topic from this boring Southampton v Liverpool nonsense, what should Southampton City Councill do to improve our city?

 

Improvements would be,

- Demolishing West Quay and the business park behind West Quay.

- Rebuilding the city centre

- improving infrastructure

- Upgrading Mayflower park and the waterfront

West Quay is fine for what it is, there is plenty of room elsewhere in town to rebuild, Bargate, East Street and around there. Plans announce the other week for Mayflower/Waterfront look really good, just a pity it'll take close to twenty years for them to be delivered. Edited 10 October, 2013 by Sour Mash

[View From The Top]

I haven't lived in Soton for over 20 years and my wife & kids are northeners by birth but they love Soton.

 

What I love about the place is that it's still a proper working port and not a museum to a bygone age. I still get a buzz from watching the ships sailing up & down Soton Water.

[Fowllyd]

They are here of course they are and they are very welcome, the issue is we have 1000's of immigrants in this City and they contribute a lot, have done been here longer than any other City in the UK, learn a bit mate, Liverpools City population is declining like most industrial Cites but the outskirts and areas by it are increasing, Cheshire, the Wirral and West Lancs for example,

 

In what sense are people whose families have been in Liverpool for many generations immigrants? Several British cities have black populations which originated in the days of the slave trade, Liverpool (as you correctly say) among them. To describe such people and communities as immigrants seems a trifle odd and massively inaccurate. Or is that not what you meant?

[Whitey Grandad]

To move back on topic from this boring Southampton v Liverpool nonsense, what should Southampton City Councill do to improve our city?

 

Improvements would be,

- Demolishing West Quay and the business park behind West Quay.

- Rebuilding the city centre

- improving infrastructure

- Upgrading Mayflower park and the waterfront

 

At last! Somebody has asked the relevant question.

 

I don't have any answers though. Maybe a complete strip out and redevelopment of the Itchen waterfront to include a significant part of the University.

[Window Cleaner]

They could always knock down Toys R Us and a few car parks and put the Lido back in it's rightful place, complete with the chip shop across the road. Southampton would then be a proper town again. What the youth of Southampton does all summer without the Lido stumps me.

 

Edited 10 October, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[buctootim]

Get the planners to raise the building design standards they require of developers. A lot of the new buildings going up are far too generic, more need to be unique to Southampton. Mayflower park is an embarrassment, especially since it has so much potential.

[Sour Mash]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-24305386 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/9984994.Waterfront_development_to_expand_Mayflower_Park/ https://www.southampton.gov.uk/s-environment/future/ccplans/vipproj/royal-pier-waterfront.aspx

[Barry Sanchez]

In what sense are people whose families have been in Liverpool for many generations immigrants? Several British cities have black populations which originated in the days of the slave trade, Liverpool (as you correctly say) among them. To describe such people and communities as immigrants seems a trifle odd and massively inaccurate. Or is that not what you meant?

 

I think you missed the comma, I also referred to the Chinese community as the Chinatown in Liverpool is the oldest in Europe, I could have worded it a bit better to be fair, sorry.

[Dr. Kucho]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-24305386 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/9984994.Waterfront_development_to_expand_Mayflower_Park/ https://www.southampton.gov.uk/s-environment/future/ccplans/vipproj/royal-pier-waterfront.aspx

 

And another Mayflower Park design,

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=703670 (scroll down to post nr 12)

[Barry Sanchez]

What Southampton needs is a focal point, a centre point and a talking point, altogether is fine it just needs something for a spark, why go there? Thats the thing, its different if you live there as you have to but why would someone go there over another place?

The lack of ambition is amazing.

[Barry Sanchez]

And another Mayflower Park design,

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=703670 (scroll down to post nr 12)

 

Thats 5 years old,

[Barry Sanchez]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-24305386 http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/9984994.Waterfront_development_to_expand_Mayflower_Park/ https://www.southampton.gov.uk/s-environment/future/ccplans/vipproj/royal-pier-waterfront.aspx

 

 

Will it happen? I hope so but a pier is one thing that needed but more importantly is a focal point, a tall building or monument, something I really dont care, something.

[Barry Sanchez]

For those that doubt Liverpool.

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/the-northerner/2013/mar/07/liverpool-architecture-peelgroup-mersey-wirral-docks-regeneration

 

http://liverpoolwaters.co.uk/content/home.php

 

http://www.peelwaters.co.uk/

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/55bn-liverpool-waters-scheme-could-3008782

 

Ambition.

[Scummer]

For those that doubt Liverpool.

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/the-northerner/2013/mar/07/liverpool-architecture-peelgroup-mersey-wirral-docks-regeneration

 

http://liverpoolwaters.co.uk/content/home.php

 

http://www.peelwaters.co.uk/

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/55bn-liverpool-waters-scheme-could-3008782

 

Ambition.

 

Difference seems to be that Liverpool would appear to have loads of derelict areas, such as those in your links and the streets upon streets of empty houses they show on TV. Southampton is still a busy working port, there simply isn't room for a scheme like that. It's a blessing and a curse I suppose, it's great that Southampton is such a busy port but then you get people moaning that they can't access the waterfront....

[Barry Sanchez]

Difference seems to be that Liverpool would appear to have loads of derelict areas, such as those in your links and the streets upon streets of empty houses they show on TV. Southampton is still a busy working port, there simply isn't room for a scheme like that. It's a blessing and a curse I suppose, it's great that Southampton is such a busy port but then you get people moaning that they can't access the waterfront....

 

Liverpool is a massive working port what are you on about?

And the one in the City thats not used for the docks really any more is used for this

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Albert_dock_at_night.jpg

The derelict streets are not really anywhere near there so thats no worry, the worry is Southampton and the Royal Pier? The City Centre, they could tear the centre down and start again, integrated transport system, trams, bus station, the council should actually want to rival Liverpool as soon they will get turn around Cruise ships and I can assure you the tourists would rather get off spend some money and go to London and the like from Liverpool than Southampton.