Wanyama?

[exit2]

Ok after a post on facebook today, I asked my friends what they thought of Wanyama. Personally I can see he should be a good player but I still dont see his worth at £12m? So far I think his touch isnt the greatest? His passing is crap? and Would rather Cork? My friends were split 50 50 on whether they agreed with me or not? your thoughts or have I got it all wrong?

[Batman]

do you not think part of the £12m was for potential

 

thought he was pretty good today and only 21.

[Saint-Armstrong]

His defensive duties are superb. He shields that back four so well, he displaces attackers, breaks down their attacks and is tenacious in the tackle and physical aerially.

 

He's not a marauding ball-player, but he's very good at the defensive stuff.

 

Hey, we're 4th and have lost just one game. Victor has most certainly played his part and if Saints finish Top 7 or 8, he has been worth it.

[exit2]

do you not think part of the £12m was for potential

 

thought he was pretty good today and only 21.

I have mate in Scotland who laughed at us for paying that much for him, but like I said not sure yet? I just hope he comes good.........real good!

[Lallana's Left Peg]

We talked about this a lot the first few weeks of the season.

 

On one hand we have a player with a massive physical presence, tackles well, is very mobile, strong, has great positional sense, and allows others in the team to go forward.

 

On the other hand he has no touch and every pass is an adventure.

[Batman]

I have mate in Scotland who laughed at us for paying that much for him, but like I said not sure yet? I just hope he comes good.........real good!

 

then you have hundreds of celtic fans furious that he came to little old southampton

[jimmysaint7]

Ok after a post on facebook today, I asked my friends what they thought of Wanyama. Personally I can see he should be a good player but I still dont see his worth at £12m? So far I think his touch isnt the greatest? His passing is crap? and Would rather Cork? My friends were split 50 50 on whether they agreed with me or not? your thoughts or have I got it all wrong?

 

An improvement on cork i think.terrible passer but that what morgan is for along side him.puts his foot in more than cork.is always wanting the ball and for me he is what saints have missed for years. Very much a 12 mil player in todays market who will only get better

[trousers]

He does what he was brought in to do superbly. I'm not worried about the things he doesn't do too well as that's not what he was brought in for.

 

Our goals against stats this season are testament to his addition to the team (in addition to Lovren of course).

Edited 6 October, 2013 by trousers

[Cestrian Saint]

Not worth anywhere near the £12m that we paid for him, but then who is???

 

I'd still rather see Cork & Morgan reunited. They were superb last season and I don't understand why a solid partnership was broken up to include Wanyama.

[simo]

Breaks up play well and pressures opponents but needs to improve his passing

[Batman]

Not worth anywhere near the £12m that we paid for him, but then who is???

 

I'd still rather see Cork & Morgan reunited. They were superb last season and I don't understand why a solid partnership was broken up to include Wanyama.

so we dont concede hardly any goals and sit 4th in the table rather than 14th?

[Olallana]

What does a £12m player look like if he doesn´t look like Wanyama??

[Trumush]

It is no coincidence that since Big Vic joined the party we have only conceded 2 goals.

 

A good buy.

[ottery st mary]

Wanyama in my side every day of the week.....man mountain..

 

MP agrees with me as do most sensible Saints fans who watch Saints play....

 

Victor will only get better as well......Top player.

[Dark Munster]

If he could pass he'd be a terrific player.

 

If.

[Pedro]

What does a £12m player look like if he doesn´t look like Wanyama??

 

Rameriz!

[B Rabbit]

Not worth anywhere near the £12m that we paid for him, but then who is???

 

I'd still rather see Cork & Morgan reunited. They were superb last season and I don't understand why a solid partnership was broken up to include Wanyama.

Here's a few reasons to help your understanding....

 

We now have the best defence in the league... He is a massive part of that.

5 clean sheets from 7 games.

We are 4th in the league on merit.

 

Wanyama has played in everyone of those games... And our position and stature is directly correlated to him being there.

 

So that's why Jack Cork doesn't get a look in.

 

Lets turn it on its head then.... Given how very very stable we are defensively... Why on earth would anyone take out Big Vic when clearly what he is doing is working wonders?!

[Chez]

if he sticks to passes less than 10 yards he looks great. Any time he tries something longer he looks woeful. Glad we bought him as we now how great stremgth in depth in that position, but I wonder just how badly either of our two central midfielders are going to have to be playing to let Cork get a game.

Edited 6 October, 2013 by Chez

[pangy]

Getting better with every game,prem is a different beast to the SPL,needs to polish up on certain aspects of his game but when he develops those he will be immense

[KelvinsRightGlove]

I think fans get too hung up on fees at times.

 

I know it sounds ridiculous, and yes it is ridiculous. But let's be honest, Football is ridiculous. It's a soap opera for men really.

 

We need to move on a bit from when we were last in the prem, or even from the recent years in League 1 and the Championship. The money from TV deals, sponsorship etc is so far removed from reality is untrue. A £12m signing in 2013 is not a £12m from 2005, its not even the same as it was in 2010.

 

I know that sounds silly, but what I mean by this is, with the latest TV deal increasing the money clubs receive further still the team at the bottom of the league this year receive as much in tv & prize money as when City won the league last year.

 

Clubs are much richer now, what seems like huge sums aren't as huge as they once were. I keep trying to make this point, and I keep trying to explain myself as best I can - but I guess I'm not doing a great job.

 

I'm not sure on the exact figures, but I would be surprised if us laying out £12m on a player now is actually a massive increase on % of total revenue than say compared to the £4m signing of Rory Delap way back when.

 

Think of it another way, back then your transfer record fees were around the £15/20/30m tops mark - a £4m is around 30/20/10ish % of that. Now, you have Gareth Bale going for around £85-90m, a £12m signing is around 15% of that.

 

FWIW I think Big Vic is a very good player. It cannot simply be coincidence that since the introduction of him (and Lovren of course) has changed how we look defensively almost beyond recognition. Having a defence that strong is such an asset, it means you are almost never out of a game, or more than a goal away for at least a point in most matches. Vic has definitely played a big role in making it harder to score against, and ultimately beat us. For that reason, I think he is a good signing and a good player. He's still at a good age where there is room for him to improve.

[S-Clarke]

I think our defensive stats and our clean sheets record, kind of dismiss any doubt in his ability. He was brought in to offer defensive grit and stability in the midfield to shield the back 4.

 

That's what he does, he does it very, very well. He's not a pretty player and never will be, but his impact on our side is unquestionable. Stop trying to look for amazing passes and an amazing touch, as he's not gifted in that sense. His game is not about the pretty side of the game.

[KelvinsRightGlove]

Holland had Poortvliet (lol)

 

Arsenal had Vieira

 

Barca have Busquests

 

We have Big Vic

 

[Whitey Grandad]

Quite an article on big Vic in the Sunday Times today. Describes how he heard the news about the Nairobi massacre just before the game at Anfield. Also talks about his family, all of them quite sporty. Unfortunately you need to subscribe in order to read.

 

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/sport/football/Premiership/article1323489.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2013_10_06

[cellone]

What does a £12m player look like if he doesn´t look like Wanyama??

 

They have longer hair.

[CWD]

It is no coincidence that since Big Vic joined the party we have only conceded 2 goals.

 

A good buy.

 

This. He's not in the team to be creative. Against Palace he won everything, and is so important to us defensively. He's like a bigger more aggressive Makelele and only 21.

 

Also would say the turn up in Lallana's form has something to do with VW being in the team. Has far less defensive work to do.

[dubai_phil]

If he could pass he'd be a terrific player.

 

If.

 

If he could pass we'd never have got him for only £12mil

[kpturner]

Defensive destroyer - not a playmaker. I think he must be one of several reasons why we have so much tighter at the back this season. I don't expect to see him making any defence splitting passes any time soon.

[eurosaint]

I think fans get too hung up on fees at times.

 

I know it sounds ridiculous, and yes it is ridiculous. But let's be honest, Football is ridiculous. It's a soap opera for men really.

 

We need to move on a bit from when we were last in the prem, or even from the recent years in League 1 and the Championship. The money from TV deals, sponsorship etc is so far removed from reality is untrue. A £12m signing in 2013 is not a £12m from 2005, its not even the same as it was in 2010.

I

I know that sounds silly, but what I mean by this is, with the latest TV deal increasing the money clubs receive further still the team at the bottom of the league this year receive as much in tv & prize money as when City won the league last year.

 

Clubs are much richer now, what seems like huge sums aren't as huge as they once were. I keep trying to make this point, and I keep trying to explain myself as best I can - but I guess I'm not doing a great job.

 

I'm not sure on the exact figures, but I would be surprised if us laying out £12m on a player now is actually a massive increase on % of total revenue than say compared to the £4m signing of Rory Delap way back when.

 

Think of it another way, back then your transfer record fees were around the £15/20/30m tops mark - a £4m is around 30/20/10ish % of that. Now, you have Gareth Bale going for around £85-90m, a £12m signing is around 15% of that.

 

FWIW I think Big Vic is a very good player. It cannot simply be coincidence that since the introduction of him (and Lovren of course) has changed how we look defensively almost beyond recognition. Having a defence that strong is such an asset, it means you are almost never out of a game, or more than a goal away for at least a point in most matches. Vic has definitely played a big role in making it harder to score against, and ultimately beat us. For that reason, I think he is a good signing and a good player. He's still at a good age where there is room for him to improve.

 

Good post !

[Saint_clark]

I think people are being quite harsh on his touch.

[austsaint]

If he could pass we'd never have got him for only £12mil

 

Quite agree if he had a passing touch to his game we'd be looking at an "Orzil" amount of money. He was very good today along with Clyne, Boruc and Lallana (first half).

[Saint George]

It's really quite simple....Without Victor Wanyama, we almost certainly wouldn’t be sitting in 4th place with the best defensive record in the Prem and the 2nd best in Europe .......Is he worth 12 mil?.....every damned penny of it, and some….I have a sneaking suspicion Tino would probably say the same

[70's Mike]

It's really quite simple....Without Victor Wanyama, we almost certainly wouldn’t be sitting in 4th place with the best defensive record in the Prem and the 2nd best in Europe .......Is he worth 12 mil?.....every damned penny of it, and some….I have a sneaking suspicion Tino would probably say the same

 

Sums it up for me

[trousers]

It's really quite simple....Without Victor Wanyama, we almost certainly wouldn’t be sitting in 4th place with the best defensive record in the Prem and the 2nd best in Europe .......Is he worth 12 mil?.....every damned penny of it, and some….I have a sneaking suspicion Tino would probably say the same

 

Nutshell

[Greenridge]

I think people are being quite harsh on his touch.

 

Beattie's second touch was always a tackle and he didn't turn out too bad.

[sidthesquid]

He is starting to win me over - part of the trouble was that our first two home games were against teams that refused to attack, so he was somewhat redundant as a defensive midfielder. The last two games you can see what he is about, and I thought his presence in midfield made a huge difference to us holding onto our lead against a combative and attacking team.

[sussexsaint]

He is a major reason we have conceeded so few goals. The back 4 must love his breakup play. The rest of his game will improve I have no doubt but all the oppo fans I have spoken to really rate him and find him endlessly frustrating from their perspective

[trousers]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2013/10/07/4316513/premier-league-team-of-the-week-januzaj-the-star-of-the-show

 

Victor Wanyama: The Southampton man was our Top of the Match against Swansea, helping out his defence and disrupting the visitors' passing rhythm.