Fox - "accident waiting to happen"

[Convict Colony]

I would back anyone In a saints top but the thing with fox is he thinks his **** don't stink and he is gods gift to football.

 

If he had 1/4 of the skill to go with the attitude we would have Cafu playing for us.

 

 

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[david in sweden]

Danny Fox is not, nor will he ever be, in my opinion, a player of Premier League standard. However, he IS a Southampton player, and if the manager decides to play him, we must respect that decision, ( in all probability the coaching staff are perfectly aware of DF's limitations ).

The fault yesterday was that however we were set up, there wasn't effective cover in front of him and Swansea exploited that.

As things stand DF is our second choice left back; booing or sarcastic cheers won't help.

 

 

....and recalling the circumstances in 2009, when we were almost forced to give away Dyer, he (Fox) was up against a good winger.

 

IF Swansea had won, then Dyer would likely have been MOM.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I would back anyone In a saints top but the thing with fox is he thinks his **** don't stink and he is gods gift to football.

 

If he had 1/4 of the skill to go with the attitude we would have Cafu playing for us.

 

 

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Is this a fact or are you just being a idiot

[jupu]

I would be far more interested in reading thoughts about how the squad could/should be rotated in case Shaw is injured/ill.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Jez this wave of sanctimonious 'my player good or bad' opinions so many on here think the epitome of sweet reason is in fact rather nauseating.

 

I don't now and never have in the past booed my own players while they are on the field of play - that's not my style. However, if I want to discuss Danny Fox's all-too-obvious limitations with the chaps seated around me during a game, or on here for that matter, then I will do so. If some consider that to be a crime now then they'll have to start building a supersized courtroom because I reckon three quarters of St Marys was doing exactly the same last Sunday. You could feel it in the air.

 

Talk him up all you want to, make as many excuses as you like, none of it will make him a better player.

[captainchris]

Was pleased to see that Danny Fox got some deserved credit in the press today. The abusers really need to think about what they are doing, if thinking is within their mental capacity. Up against an exceptionally speedy winger in Dyer, widely described by the media as Swansea's best player, Fox came into the game with few games behind him so not surprisingly it took time for him to settle, but he did better as the game went on and deserves his share of the praise for a back four and GK keeping another clean sheet. A squad player such as Danny Fox needs encouragement from the crowd, not sarcasm and those responsible for the latter should ask whether they really care about SFC.

 

I'm sorry but clutching at straws there I'm afraid. Fox did not get better as the game went on. He was really poor in both halves. Why do people take it on themselves to be personally affronted when a player is scrutinised and found to be wanting by fans? It is by and large nothing to do with abuse it's objective opinion and many fans think that he is poor and often describe in some detail why... That is their right and in this case he certainly is diabolical and burying your head in the sand does nobody any favours least of all Fox who appears to make the same basic errors every single time he plays and it's time he learnt. A 'squad' player should be one who is capable of breaking into the first team. Not one who should be playing in a different league.

[captainchris]

Am I alone in thinking he was crap in the Championship? He never cuts out crosses and his distribution has always been **** poor.

 

No you are not alone - he was terrible in the Championship too....

[Lord Duckhunter]

I'm sorry but clutching at straws there I'm afraid. Fox did not get better as the game went on. He was really poor in both halves. Why do people take it on themselves to be personally affronted when a player is scrutinised and found to be wanting by fans? It is by and large nothing to do with abuse it's objective opinion and many fans think that he is poor and often describe in some detail why... That is their right and in this case he certainly is diabolical and burying your head in the sand does nobody any favours least of all Fox who appears to make the same basic errors every single time he plays and it's time he learnt. A 'squad' player should be one who is capable of breaking into the first team. Not one who should be playing in a different league.

 

If he was as bad as you make out, MP would have played Clyne on the left and Chambers on the right. If he was as bad as you claim, he would have got another LB in during the window. The fact he didn't do either must mean that MP feels Fox can do a job, but then what does he know compared to you, he's only an ex international centre half whose side have only conceded 2 goals this season.

[Turkish]

Jez this wave of sanctimonious 'my player good or bad' opinions so many on here think the epitome of sweet reason is in fact rather nauseating.

 

I don't now and never have in the past booed my own players while they are on the field of play - that's not my style. However, if I want to discuss Danny Fox's all-too-obvious limitations with the chaps seated around me during a game, or on here for that matter, then I will do so. If some consider that to be a crime now then they'll have to start building a supersized courtroom because I reckon three quarters of St Marys was doing exactly the same last Sunday. You could feel it in the air.

 

Talk him up all you want to, make as many excuses as you like, none of it will make him a better player.

 

What does your 6 year old say about him? He must have been devastated when Guly came on.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

What does your 6 year old say about him? He must have been devastated when Guly came on.

 

He wasn't there alas.

 

But when I got home I was immediately grilled about why Guly got on for a few minutes - I told him both the Lord and our manager work 'in mysterious ways' and left it at that.

 

[saintchris23]

My one negative of today was the bellends (you know who you are) spending a large part of the game having a go at Fox.

 

1) How can he make himself into a better player than he is? He tries his best, he can't magic himself into a Premier league player. If you've got such a problem with it, have a go at MP or NC for not replacing him in the summer.

 

2) We were battling against quality opposition, get behind our side, not constantly have a go at individuals.

 

I disagree. I spent 90 minutes berating him because he was always out of position, never got close to tackling a Swansea player and was nutmeg he's twice. He's truly atrocious.

 

I pay my money, I say what I like.

 

HTH

[kwsaint]

I'm sorry but clutching at straws there I'm afraid. Fox did not get better as the game went on. He was really poor in both halves. Why do people take it on themselves to be personally affronted when a player is scrutinised and found to be wanting by fans? It is by and large nothing to do with abuse it's objective opinion and many fans think that he is poor and often describe in some detail why... That is their right and in this case he certainly is diabolical and burying your head in the sand does nobody any favours least of all Fox who appears to make the same basic errors every single time he plays and it's time he learnt. A 'squad' player should be one who is capable of breaking into the first team. Not one who should be playing in a different league.

 

Completely agree. Everyone seems to agree that booing your own player is unacceptable and it is but it doesn't mean we have to play him because if we don't it's unfair on him otherwise we'd still be with the squad we were with in L1. He was the worst player on the pitch imo but tried his best and didn't cause too many mistakes. I don't think we should put up with it though. I'm all for supporting the players but if we are really going to go for Europe we just can't have him in the squad. I would be surprised if anyone actually thinks he's a premier league player. Scotland don't even play him and play Greer and Hanley who both play for championship sides.

 

Alas, some people have the attitude that any criticism towards their own players is bad but it's not if it's constructive. The "haters" should grow up and feck off but we don't need to put up with him and the liability he is towards the team.

[Whitey Grandad]

I didn't hear any boos, just some natural groans when a pass went astray. If this happened to Fox more than others then there's the reason. If you don't like the groans then don't perform in front of 30,000 people. You get groans at Wimbledon no matter who's playing, it's a natural response.

[JoeShmoe]

If he was as bad as you make out, MP would have played Clyne on the left and Chambers on the right. If he was as bad as you claim, he would have got another LB in during the window. The fact he didn't do either must mean that MP feels Fox can do a job, but then what does he know compared to you, he's only an ex international centre half whose side have only conceded 2 goals this season.

 

Judging by the stick he was getting from his team mates and that MP had his head in his hands more than once I wouldn't be surprised if we see don't see him in the PL first XI again

[Whitey Grandad]

Judging by the stick he was getting from his team mates and that MP had his head in his hands more than once I wouldn't be surprised if we see don't see him in the PL first XI again

 

So what's the alternative?

[Graffito]

I didn't hear any boos, just some natural groans when a pass went astray. If this happened to Fox more than others then there's the reason. If you don't like the groans then don't perform in front of 30,000 people. You get groans at Wimbledon no matter who's playing, it's a natural response.

 

The groans were low key. It was the sarcastic cheer when he passed to his own man which I found harsh. Sadly it was spontaneous.

[hasper57saint]

In a past life I was a Teacher.(Higher Education) and my mid-term report on one Daniel Fox would read thus:-

"Tries hard but hasn't quite grasped the subject".

All around me were critical of him yesterday and squirmed whenever Dyer got the ball as we all knew he would stuff Fox.I will never boo a Saint but I am not convinced that Fox is good enough at this level.

D-.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Judging by the stick he was getting from his team mates and that MP had his head in his hands more than once I wouldn't be surprised if we see don't see him in the PL first XI again

 

If he does get picked again should we get on his back, or the guy that picks him?

[Turkish]

If he does get picked again should we get on his back, or the guy that picks him?

 

Here's an idea, how about you back the team and who picks the team whilst you're at the game and berate their performance after it, in the pub, on here of wherever you want away from the ground.

[Turkish]

I disagree. I spent 90 minutes berating him because he was always out of position, never got close to tackling a Swansea player and was nutmeg he's twice. He's truly atrocious.

 

I pay my money, I say what I like.

 

HTH

 

You need to look up what the word supporter is.

 

HTH

[Bearsy]

You need to look up what the word supporter is.

 

HTH

 

we consider ourselves more like assistant coach. hth

[Pedro]

Fair play to Fox, he stuck to it the best he could. Dyer was at his best and a few better defenders than Fox would have struggled, how can we train and prepare for players like Dyer when we haven't got anyone on our books with his pace to practice against.

 

I wonder what the reaction would have been if LS had played and had a bad game, DF is not PL standard but he was selected, done his best and we won because of a good team effort where everyone contributed. Was DF meant to say to the manager, don't pick me because the supporters don't think I'm good enough.

 

I wonder if a decent LB will sign for us in January knowing he will play second fiddle to Shaw.

[Bearsy]

I agree totally, Steve, I think our tactics were that we would defend crosses into the box better than letting Swansea play through the middle. And judging by the result it worked!

 

good post, I hadn't thought of it like that.

[Pierre]

I disagree. I spent 90 minutes berating him because he was always out of position, never got close to tackling a Swansea player and was nutmeg he's twice. He's truly atrocious.

 

I pay my money, I say what I like.

 

HTH

and does hurling this senseless abuse give you more value for money? It spoils my game if your sitting next to me.

I don't see why the limitations of a player can justify abusing one of our own players.

It's not gonna help him, the team, the other fans or yourself.

[captainchris]

Fair play to Fox, he stuck to it the best he could. Dyer was at his best and a few better defenders than Fox would have struggled, how can we train and prepare for players like Dyer when we haven't got anyone on our books with his pace to practice against.

 

I wonder what the reaction would have been if LS had played and had a bad game, DF is not PL standard but he was selected, done his best and we won because of a good team effort where everyone contributed. Was DF meant to say to the manager, don't pick me because the supporters don't think I'm good enough.

 

I wonder if a decent LB will sign for us in January knowing he will play second fiddle to Shaw.

 

A decent left back would be looking to force his way into the team that's the point. That is what a squad player should be looking to do. Fox hasn't a prayer of doing that. On you other point ref if Shaw had played and struggled well fair enough he's entitled to a bad game now and then..... Every game is Fox plays he's poor though so the analogy really doesn't stack up .....

[Plonko]

If he was as bad as you make out, MP would have played Clyne on the left and Chambers on the right. If he was as bad as you claim, he would have got another LB in during the window. The fact he didn't do either must mean that MP feels Fox can do a job, but then what does he know compared to you, he's only an ex international centre half whose side have only conceded 2 goals this season.

 

This!

[LostBoys]

There weren't any boos from my part of the Kingsland but I have to confess there were a regular series of collective groans. Fox was very lucky that Davis did his covering for him.

[whelk]

23/24 minutes in the Saints game ios discussed. Poor old Fox and even James Richardson apologises as other journo says his performance 'one of the worst PL performance ever seen'. Bit OTT

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/audio/2013/oct/07/football-weekly-podcast-west-ham-stun-spurs

[Leicestersaint]

I hope he doesn't read the posts on here - the boos and jeers on Sunday were a disgrace. I felt sorry for Fox - he was getting skinned alive until MP at last did something about it and brought Ward-Prowse on.

[Batman]

I hope he doesn't read the posts on here - the boos and jeers on Sunday were a disgrace. I felt sorry for Fox - he was getting skinned alive until MP at last did something about it and brought Ward-Prowse on.

 

and that was different to davis...how?

[Wade Garrett]

We should have signed Wayne Bridge as cover, and to mentor Shaw.

 

He would have emphasised the importance of keeping his bird away from John Terry, and the Chelsea interest in Shaw would never come to anything.

[Lets B Avenue]

and that was different to davis...how?

 

Because it meant we were playing with 5 in midfield rather than the 3 we had played for the 1st hour. We had no width in our midfield, leaving the full backs 1 on 1 with their wingers. Clyne had it easy as Routledge was poor. Davis wasn't playing in front of Fox, he was playing in a far narrower 3. JWP was sent on to play there. Dyer was not half as effective after that.

 

The fact that the team as a whole couldn't keep the ball after we went 1 up, meant that Swansea could keep switching it wide. I felt MP could have made the switch at half-time, but he had faith that our midfield could have regained the upper hand. They didn't, but luckily we didn't concede.

 

Miss the game then did you?

[Whitey Grandad]

I hope he doesn't read the posts on here - the boos and jeers on Sunday were a disgrace. I felt sorry for Fox - he was getting skinned alive until MP at last did something about it and brought Ward-Prowse on.

 

What boos?

[Dig Dig]

Because it meant we were playing with 5 in midfield rather than the 3 we had played for the 1st hour. We had no width in our midfield, leaving the full backs 1 on 1 with their wingers. Clyne had it easy as Routledge was poor. Davis wasn't playing in front of Fox, he was playing in a far narrower 3. JWP was sent on to play there. Dyer was not half as effective after that.

 

The fact that the team as a whole couldn't keep the ball after we went 1 up, meant that Swansea could keep switching it wide. I felt MP could have made the switch at half-time, but he had faith that our midfield could have regained the upper hand. They didn't, but luckily we didn't concede.

 

Miss the game then did you?

 

Davis was actually providing a decent amount of cover, JWP was sent on as Dvis was pushed higher to support Rodriguez after he came on.

 

Fox's performance can't be blamed on the midfield, Fox was nowhere to be seen when Dyer and or Rangel went wide or narrow.

[Dig Dig]

What boos?

 

There were no boos but it's been said enough times on here now that it's become truth.

[Batman]

Because it meant we were playing with 5 in midfield rather than the 3 we had played for the 1st hour. We had no width in our midfield, leaving the full backs 1 on 1 with their wingers. Clyne had it easy as Routledge was poor. Davis wasn't playing in front of Fox, he was playing in a far narrower 3. JWP was sent on to play there. Dyer was not half as effective after that.

 

The fact that the team as a whole couldn't keep the ball after we went 1 up, meant that Swansea could keep switching it wide. I felt MP could have made the switch at half-time, but he had faith that our midfield could have regained the upper hand. They didn't, but luckily we didn't concede.

 

Miss the game then did you?

 

JWP went exactly where Davis was. Davis then went behind Rodriguez

 

No, I never missed the game????

Edited 8 October, 2013 by Batman

[Nolan]

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/694967/team-stats/80/1_PASS_11#tabs-wrapper-anchor

 

The Stats show 9 out of 15 of Swanseas chances created came from Fox's position.

 

and the player influence chart shows Ward-Prowse CLEARLY was instucted to shore up Fox

 

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/694967/team-stats/20/OVERALL_01#tabs-wrapper-anchor

[OldNick]

What surprises/perplexes me is that Andros Townsend on the back of a few Pl, is put into the England squad ahead of Dyer. He has played well for Swansea for a long period and is bright enough to be given his chance. Same old London bias IMO

[Window Cleaner]

What surprises/perplexes me is that Andros Townsend on the back of a few Pl, is put into the England squad ahead of Dyer. He has played well for Swansea for a long period and is bright enough to be given his chance. Same old London bias IMO

 

perhaps his criminal record counts against him.

[OldNick]

perhaps his criminal record counts against him.

perhaps but that could stop a lot of the present team!

[captainchris]

If he was as bad as you make out, MP would have played Clyne on the left and Chambers on the right. If he was as bad as you claim, he would have got another LB in during the window. The fact he didn't do either must mean that MP feels Fox can do a job, but then what does he know compared to you, he's only an ex international centre half whose side have only conceded 2 goals this season.

 

So you're old school the teacher and the doctor are always right are they.... The man in charge is always right that's a very narrow minded naive view. So you would go over the top to a thousand machine guns if MP said it was ok and right ? Come on mate have an

Opinion of your own - be brave. These guys don't know it all they are human beings not God. It's football don't pretend it brain surgery - It is not....

[svetigpung]

Just checked out Foxs pass completion on FourFourTwo

Many successful passes. Unfortunately most of these were backward or at best sidewards. Forward passes were ofen a disaster.

Thats a major problem....apart from his lack of defending , he offers NO attacking option.

With our very narrow set-up we are dependant on our FB creating with down the wings.

Clyne and Shaw have a huge role to play with this team!

[svetigpung]

and heres the diagram...

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/694967/player-stats/18421/OVERALL_02#tabs-wrapper-anchor

[swannymere]

If anyone suggests that Fox isn't trying i'd say the abuse could be excused, to hide behind a keyboard and spout abuse because he's not up to scratch is out of order. The management have chosen to play him, they've also chosen not to find a replacement in the summer, it's hardly Fox's fault. Would you all be behind him if he turned round and told the manager that he can't play because some of the fans don't rate him?

[Whitey Grandad]

If anyone suggests that Fox isn't trying i'd say the abuse could be excused, to hide behind a keyboard and spout abuse because he's not up to scratch is out of order. The management have chosen to play him, they've also chosen not to find a replacement in the summer, it's hardly Fox's fault. Would you all be behind him if he turned round and told the manager that he can't play because some of the fans don't rate him?

 

I think part of the problem is that we all feel that with a bit more effort and concentration he could improve his game dramatically.

[doggface]

Not a big fan of Fox defensively, which is kind of key in a defender. Not up to PL standard IMO.

 

However, he has a great cross, a sweet left foot and takes a mean set piece. Remember Lambo's goal @ Fratton park? This was typical Fox, Ward-Prowse cannot currently hit one that well from distance.

 

My opinion is that I would rather Chambers and Clyne play, but if Fox plays then the crowd should get behind him. If the effort is there which it always is with him, then terrible support if he is being hounded. I have seen players not giving 100% and they deserve all they get. Fox is not that....simple.

[scotty]

Judging by the stick he was getting from his team mates and that MP had his head in his hands more than once I wouldn't be surprised if we see don't see him in the PL first XI again

 

That would be the same MP who decided to put him on the pitch, right? And spent a small fortune in the transfer window without strengthening at left back?

 

I've stayed out of this debate so far because I always liked Danny Fox as a player in the lower leagues, while realising he has severe limitations. Never forgotten that godawful crossfield "pass" that gifted Reading a soft goal at SMS, possibly costing us the Championship title. But I liked his wing play, ball control, and his dead-ball deliveries.

 

I'm not defending Fox's ability. But when all's said and done, the manager played him and Fox can't be blamed for that decision. As for the other aspect, players coming up through the leagues with us, Turks nailed that the day this thread was posted and imho he was dead right.

[alpine_saint]

I think part of the problem is that we all feel that with a bit more effort and concentration he could improve his game dramatically.

 

Wondering how he is supposed to manage that with the fans on his back...

 

Would be good to see if his performance improves if he gets a run-out away from SMS.

[cellone]

So you're old school the teacher and the doctor are always right are they.... The man in charge is always right that's a very narrow minded naive view. So you would go over the top to a thousand machine guns if MP said it was ok and right ? Come on mate have an

Opinion of your own - be brave. These guys don't know it all they are human beings not God. It's football don't pretend it brain surgery - It is not....

 

Are you a Jeremy Vine regular by any chance?

[Fan The Flames]

Judging by the stick he was getting from his team mates and that MP had his head in his hands more than once I wouldn't be surprised if we see don't see him in the PL first XI again

 

I don't believe it, I want evidence.