whelk Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Discussed at length but did anyone think he wasn't dreadful today? http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/oct/06/southampton-swansea-premier-league-matchreport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 He pulls on a Saints shirt and does what he can. If the manager picks him it is not his fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkshiresaint Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 He pulls on a shirt & should be supported by the fans. I was ashamed at times the amount of abuse he received today. He is a saints player so we should get behind him. Ok he is not the best defender but he is our player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Before the game I decided to watch him with an open mind. I now maintain my previous opinion: he's crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 One thing though. With our system our fullbacks often get exposed and the thing is that they need speed which both Clyne and Shaw has but Fox doesn´t. When he dont have the speed needed he wants to back off so he wont be overrun 1-on-1 with the winger. That results that he´s got the wrong position so opponents can exploit the ball between Fox and the CB with the winger cuting in behind. Not his fault he aint got the necessary speed but on the other hand, what kind of quality do people expect from a backup left back. Look around the league and you wont see that much quality in that position (though probably better than Fox, but that doesn´t tell the whole story, does it...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Before the game I decided to watch him with an open mind. I now maintain my previous opinion: he's crap.lol, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eharty9 Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Yes he's one of our weaker links BUT I for one cannot stand the abuse he gets! what is the point in hurling abuse in our own player. An absolute tosser next to me giving him abuse for 90 minutes and it ruined my day lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 (edited) Sadly for Danny Fox his excellent performance in our promotion season is now forgotten and when he is inevitably moved on sooner rather than later he'll be remember as a crap player who wasn't good enough for us. The truth is somewhat different, he was signed in the championship and proved himself a very capable left back at that level, sadly for him he was a victim of his own success and whilst he played a big part in our promotion season clearly isn't good enough or the premier league. Unlike Hammond, Chaplow, Sharp & Harding who were moved on before they had the chance for the so called fans to label then 'crap' he's been thrown in to a divison which he isn't good enough for and whilst the others will be remembered as heroes who played their part in an great journey, Fox and Guly now have the indignity of being the crowd boo boys, despite always giving their best and trying 100%, despite ultimately not being good enough. Quite Frankly Fox and Guly deserve a bit more respect, neither are premier league players but have always given their all and they too played a big part in our march up the league, sadly some of our fans seem to have forgotten this and happy to dish out stick to good pros who have played their part for this club. Quite sad but unsurprising that so many people seem to so obsessed with progressing they forget and criticise those who helped us get there. Edited 6 October, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2013 I am always rooting for him to do well but he doesn't and is out of his depth. Fact that Shaw misses more games than any other 1st team player means issue is compounded. Saying get behind him isn't the issue and should never boo your own players but positional sense, one footedness and lack of pace make him a liability in PL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrich van Gobbel Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 He did struggle at times today - yes. It was his first PL start of the season up against a rapid, tricky and lively winger in Dyer. However, the abuse and derision aimed at him today is entirely counterproductive and would have simply drained his confidence. I noticed that Wanyama misplaced a couple of passes and both Dejan and Fonte made clearances which went straight to Swansea players - nothing. As soon as Fox made an error the groans and abuse started. He may not be Luke Shaw but FFS support a player wearing our shirt and trying his hardest to help the team succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 (edited) People try to defend him but he is completely out of his depth in the Premier League. His positional awareness is very poor as is his passing, lack of pace and Swansea were clearly targeting him by trying to get Dyer on the ball at every opportunity. I was surprised he started and was then left on for the entire game whilst clearly struggling to cope. In Luke Shaw's absence, Clyne should have been the left back marking Dyer and use Chambers at right back. That would have helped cut off Swansea's main line of attack and may have allowed Saints to impose themselves more. We were lucky to get away with it today, as Fox really was as the article says is "an accident waiting to happen". Fox is a solid Championship level left back, passable back up for a bottom 6 Premier League club but really not an option for a club with the aspirations Saints have to compete in the top half even as a squad player. Edited 6 October, 2013 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Sadly for Danny Fox his excellent performance in our promotion season is now forgotten and when he is inevitably moved on sooner rather than later he'll be remember as a crap player who wasn't good enough for us. The truth is somewhat different, he was signed in the championship and proved himself a very capable left back at that level, sadly for him he was a victim of his own success and whilst he played a big part in our promotion season clearly isn't good enough or the premier league. Unlike Hammond, Chaplow, Sharp & Harding who were moved on before they had the chance for the so called fans to label then 'crap' he's been thrown in to a divison which he isn't good enough for and whilst the others will be remembered as heroes who played their part in an great journey, Fox and Guly now have the indignity of being the crowd boo boys, despite always giving their best and trying 100%, despite ultimately not being good enough. Quite Frankly Fox and Guly deserve a bit more respect, neither are premier league players but have always given their all and they too played a big part in our march up the league, sadly some of our fans seem to have forgotten this and happy to dish out stick to good pros who have played their part for this club. Quite sad but unsurprising that so many people seem to so obsessed with progressing they forget and criticise those who helped us get there. Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 I have to admit I called him ****e at one point in the game but I agree continual abuse isn't great. I feel sorry for him as he does try he just isn't up to standard. If Boruc wasn't having a great game we could easily have drawn this due to defensive errors (not wholly but greatly caused by him). If he doesn't move it will ruin his confidence and he'll become worse than he actually is (which is a mid to top championship player imo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 He is part of the best defence in the league. Support the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 I have to admit I called him ****e at one point in the game but I agree continual abuse isn't great. I feel sorry for him as he does try he just isn't up to standard. If Boruc wasn't having a great game we could easily have drawn this due to defensive errors (not wholly but greatly caused by him). If he doesn't move it will ruin his confidence and he'll become worse than he actually is (which is a mid to top championship player imo). Not great? Its a f*cking disgrace is what it is. People may not rate him but remind me of the times fans giving their own players abuse has had a positive affect? They are our players out there and Fox has been a good player for this club, show him some respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 He's not great, he was left exposed at times today and he's clearly an easy target for the boo boys. It was embarrassing how quickly people got on his back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Sadly for Danny Fox his excellent performance in our promotion season is now forgotten and when he is inevitably moved on sooner rather than later he'll be remember as a crap player who wasn't good enough for us. The truth is somewhat different, he was signed in the championship and proved himself a very capable left back at that level, sadly for him he was a victim of his own success and whilst he played a big part in our promotion season clearly isn't good enough or the premier league. Unlike Hammond, Chaplow, Sharp & Harding who were moved on before they had the chance for the so called fans to label then 'crap' he's been thrown in to a divison which he isn't good enough for and whilst the others will be remembered as heroes who played their part in an great journey, Fox and Guly now have the indignity of being the crowd boo boys, despite always giving their best and trying 100%, despite ultimately not being good enough. Quite Frankly Fox and Guly deserve a bit more respect, neither are premier league players but have always given their all and they too played a big part in our march up the league, sadly some of our fans seem to have forgotten this and happy to dish out stick to good pros who have played their part for this club. Quite sad but unsurprising that so many people seem to so obsessed with progressing they forget and criticise those who helped us get there. Well said that man. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 The players/management/spectators know what they get with Fox, he has never been a good defender. Swansea know what he is like, so put the nippy Dyer out wide supported by runners from inside and behind. Consequently he was exposed and torn apart. Lovren did his best to support him but unlike Hooiveld quite rightly wouldn't leave the middle open. Fox needed support and cover from in front and inside, presumably Davis was supposed to cover in front but never picked up tight, choosing to stand off allowing Dyer to cut into the space. It wasn't until JWP was sent on and closed down quickly that we at least helped him out. Fox doesn't read the defensive game, he defends like a winger, either too far up with space behind or backs off towards the corner of the penalty area. Even if he isn't that quick he could have got tight on Dyer and tried to bully him leaving the others to cover the space behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrich van Gobbel Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Not great? Its a f*cking disgrace is what it is. People may not rate him but remind me of the times fans giving their own players abuse has had a positive affect? They are our players out there and Fox has been a good player for this club, show him some respect. Totally agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channonball Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 My sphincter was working overtime today every time Swansea got the ball they attacked him. Hopefully this will be his last outing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Not great? Its a f*cking disgrace is what it is. People may not rate him but remind me of the times fans giving their own players abuse has had a positive affect? They are our players out there and Fox has been a good player for this club, show him some respect. I actually didn't notice the abuse being too bad today really. I think most really want him to do well. Having said that part of football is groaning and players must be mentally strong. If Adam poorly hits a weak shot there will be groans - it isn't personal just people want better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 (edited) Sadly for Danny Fox his excellent performance in our promotion season is now forgotten and when he is inevitably moved on sooner rather than later he'll be remember as a crap player who wasn't good enough for us. The truth is somewhat different, he was signed in the championship and proved himself a very capable left back at that level, sadly for him he was a victim of his own success and whilst he played a big part in our promotion season clearly isn't good enough or the premier league. Unlike Hammond, Chaplow, Sharp & Harding who were moved on before they had the chance for the so called fans to label then 'crap' he's been thrown in to a divison which he isn't good enough for and whilst the others will be remembered as heroes who played their part in an great journey, Fox and Guly now have the indignity of being the crowd boo boys, despite always giving their best and trying 100%, despite ultimately not being good enough. Quite Frankly Fox and Guly deserve a bit more respect, neither are premier league players but have always given their all and they too played a big part in our march up the league, sadly some of our fans seem to have forgotten this and happy to dish out stick to good pros who have played their part for this club. Quite sad but unsurprising that so many people seem to so obsessed with progressing they forget and criticise those who helped us get there. Agree 100% I expect Guly and Fox won't be remembered as fondly as someone like De Ridder in some people's eyes. Edited 6 October, 2013 by Appy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 My sphincter was working overtime today every time Swansea got the ball they attacked him. Hopefully this will be his last outing for us.i suspect that any scout from Man U will be pointing out the weakness for their wingers to exploit.........not your sphincter weakness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 His body language was all wrong right from the start. He looked as if he really didn't want to be there through either feeling out of his depth or couldn't be ar*ed. I couldn't make up my mind. What ever, he was crap as a result and Swansea went for the jugular courtesy of his deficiency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Sadly for Danny Fox his excellent performance in our promotion season is now forgotten and when he is inevitably moved on sooner rather than later he'll be remember as a crap player who wasn't good enough for us. The truth is somewhat different, he was signed in the championship and proved himself a very capable left back at that level, sadly for him he was a victim of his own success and whilst he played a big part in our promotion season clearly isn't good enough or the premier league. Unlike Hammond, Chaplow, Sharp & Harding who were moved on before they had the chance for the so called fans to label then 'crap' he's been thrown in to a divison which he isn't good enough for and whilst the others will be remembered as heroes who played their part in an great journey, Fox and Guly now have the indignity of being the crowd boo boys, despite always giving their best and trying 100%, despite ultimately not being good enough. Quite Frankly Fox and Guly deserve a bit more respect, neither are premier league players but have always given their all and they too played a big part in our march up the league, sadly some of our fans seem to have forgotten this and happy to dish out stick to good pros who have played their part for this club. Quite sad but unsurprising that so many people seem to so obsessed with progressing they forget and criticise those who helped us get there. as much as it pains me, Turks is 100% right on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 I imagine the last thing he wants is pity but I feel a bit sorry for him at times. Everything the modern game needs at the top level from a full-back he struggles with, yet you can't blame him for that - he does his best. No matter what happens when he leaves I'll remember him most fondly from our Championship promotion season, especially for the last few months when he had to be patched up between games because of his groins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Don't think he does give 100% personally, hence the anger directed at him from both Fonte and Lovren today. Despite his limited ability at this level, he shows little or no desire to tackle or close down and happily leaves responsibility to the LM to cover both winger and fullback whilst he trotts off to try and hold the centre backs hand in the 18 yard box. Might at well have a cardboard cut out of a player constantly positioned very narrow in our own box. Would probaly stop a few more crosses than Fox does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 His body language was all wrong right from the start. He looked as if he really didn't want to be there through either feeling out of his depth or couldn't be ar*ed. I couldn't make up my mind. What ever, he was crap as a result and Swansea went for the jugular courtesy of his deficiency. He's always had quite a laid back style. I don't remember too many complaining about it when he turned to the abusing Pompey fans at Fratton Park whilst he was waiting for them to return a ball for him to take a throw in, stood in front of them, eyeballing them as they gave him a torrent of abuse and didn't bat an eyelid, compare that to the frightened rabbit in the headlights look in the eyes Lundekvam had when we lost 4-1 there, for that he will always be a legend in my eyes. He's not a premier league player but his failings have never been a lack of effort or a lack of bottle, just simply a lack of ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 as much as it pains me' date=' Turks is 100% right on this.[/quote'] Why does it pain you? As usual you can't see past your agenda against me. Its quite sad for a man of your age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 He's a good lad is Foxy, and he was up against one if PL's tricky customers and one the more testing wide right opponents today. Found wanting a few times, but generally held it OK. Doesn't deserve the stick from the morons and it's a p!sspoor trait of f**kwit saints fans who have very short memories of the part he's played over the last few years. Turks is right. Simply, when did a player respond positively to so much bullsh!t abuse?? Quite moronic to think it serves a purpose. I hope he moves on, but only for him as he'll never get a fair crack here irrespective of how he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaford Saint Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 It would have been nice to see him get some cover....he was run ragged. Obviously Swansea had worked out that he was a weak link. I would be interested to understand why he was picked in front of Chambers. As soon as Ward Prowse came on, things improved for him. Would he be better playing in midfield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Discussed at length but did anyone think he wasn't dreadful today? http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/oct/06/southampton-swansea-premier-league-matchreport My one negative of today was the bellends (you know who you are) spending a large part of the game having a go at Fox. 1) How can he make himself into a better player than he is? He tries his best, he can't magic himself into a Premier league player. If you've got such a problem with it, have a go at MP or NC for not replacing him in the summer. 2) We were battling against quality opposition, get behind our side, not constantly have a go at individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Matty Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 He did struggle at times today - yes. It was his first PL start of the season up against a rapid, tricky and lively winger in Dyer. However, the abuse and derision aimed at him today is entirely counterproductive and would have simply drained his confidence. I noticed that Wanyama misplaced a couple of passes and both Dejan and Fonte made clearances which went straight to Swansea players - nothing. As soon as Fox made an error the groans and abuse started. He may not be Luke Shaw but FFS support a player wearing our shirt and trying his hardest to help the team succeed. 100% agree. what kind of supporter destroys their own players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 He's out of his depth to be honest. He played as well as he could, probably, but his positioning sense at this level just isn't there and never, ever, will be. He's not a top half PL player, he may do a kind of job for a lower PL team, but I don't think we'll be seeing much more of him if we want to progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Discussed at length but did anyone think he wasn't dreadful today? http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/oct/06/southampton-swansea-premier-league-matchreport My one negative of today was the bellends (you know who you are) spending a large part of the game having a go at Fox. 1) How can he make himself into a better player than he is? He tries his best, he can't magic himself into a Premier league player. If you've got such a problem with it, have a go at MP or NC for not replacing him in the summer. 2) We were battling against quality opposition, get behind our side, not constantly have a go at individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny R Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Sadly for Danny Fox his excellent performance in our promotion season is now forgotten and when he is inevitably moved on sooner rather than later he'll be remember as a crap player who wasn't good enough for us. The truth is somewhat different, he was signed in the championship and proved himself a very capable left back at that level, sadly for him he was a victim of his own success and whilst he played a big part in our promotion season clearly isn't good enough or the premier league. Unlike Hammond, Chaplow, Sharp & Harding who were moved on before they had the chance for the so called fans to label then 'crap' he's been thrown in to a divison which he isn't good enough for and whilst the others will be remembered as heroes who played their part in an great journey, Fox and Guly now have the indignity of being the crowd boo boys, despite always giving their best and trying 100%, despite ultimately not being good enough. Quite Frankly Fox and Guly deserve a bit more respect, neither are premier league players but have always given their all and they too played a big part in our march up the league, sadly some of our fans seem to have forgotten this and happy to dish out stick to good pros who have played their part for this club. Quite sad but unsurprising that so many people seem to so obsessed with progressing they forget and criticise those who helped us get there. Great post. Agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Sadly for Danny Fox his excellent performance in our promotion season is now forgotten and when he is inevitably moved on sooner rather than later he'll be remember as a crap player who wasn't good enough for us. The truth is somewhat different, he was signed in the championship and proved himself a very capable left back at that level, sadly for him he was a victim of his own success and whilst he played a big part in our promotion season clearly isn't good enough or the premier league. Unlike Hammond, Chaplow, Sharp & Harding who were moved on before they had the chance for the so called fans to label then 'crap' he's been thrown in to a divison which he isn't good enough for and whilst the others will be remembered as heroes who played their part in an great journey, Fox and Guly now have the indignity of being the crowd boo boys, despite always giving their best and trying 100%, despite ultimately not being good enough. Quite Frankly Fox and Guly deserve a bit more respect, neither are premier league players but have always given their all and they too played a big part in our march up the league, sadly some of our fans seem to have forgotten this and happy to dish out stick to good pros who have played their part for this club. Quite sad but unsurprising that so many people seem to so obsessed with progressing they forget and criticise those who helped us get there. Now that is probably the best post I've ever seen from you. Thought out, not abusive or sarcastic and frankly completely spot on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latheal Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 as much as it pains me' date=' Turks is 100% right on this.[/quote'] Totally agree. Perhaps we could have looked at stopping the supply to Dyer too. Shelvy had acres to spray the ball to Dyer's feet almost every time he got it. Fox was left one on one every time. Granted he's not the best defender in the world, but that's not exactly a secret. He could have done with more protection, which he got when JWP came on. The jeering for him was ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Sadly for Danny Fox his excellent performance in our promotion season is now forgotten and when he is inevitably moved on sooner rather than later he'll be remember as a crap player who wasn't good enough for us. I couldn't disagree more and it's truly sad if this is your honest opinion of Saints fans... SaintsWeb users perhaps, but absolutely not Saints fans as a whole. Fox will be remembered alongside players such as Chaplow, Sharp, Hammond, Barnard and many others I could list who we owe a huge amount to, who we will have respect for and will remember what they did for us, but at the same time appreciate the fact they aren't good enough to play in the Premiership. Fox was poor today, so poor in fact Davis had to help him deal with Dyer on too many occasions. Fox watched the game pass him by, backed off and watched players pass him by and too often watched the ball pass him by. It's not his fault he's picked though, nor his fault he was found out by Swansea and they tried to make the most of it. It's entirely possible to be critical of a players performance and still remember and respect what they've done for us over the years. Step away from an internet forum and you'll find more people able to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibizasaint Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Sadly for Danny Fox his excellent performance in our promotion season is now forgotten and when he is inevitably moved on sooner rather than later he'll be remember as a crap player who wasn't good enough for us. The truth is somewhat different, he was signed in the championship and proved himself a very capable left back at that level, sadly for him he was a victim of his own success and whilst he played a big part in our promotion season clearly isn't good enough or the premier league. Unlike Hammond, Chaplow, Sharp & Harding who were moved on before they had the chance for the so called fans to label then 'crap' he's been thrown in to a divison which he isn't good enough for and whilst the others will be remembered as heroes who played their part in an great journey, Fox and Guly now have the indignity of being the crowd boo boys, despite always giving their best and trying 100%, despite ultimately not being good enough. Quite Frankly Fox and Guly deserve a bit more respect, neither are premier league players but have always given their all and they too played a big part in our march up the league, sadly some of our fans seem to have forgotten this and happy to dish out stick to good pros who have played their part for this club. Quite sad but unsurprising that so many people seem to so obsessed with progressing they forget and criticise those who helped us get there. Great post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red&white56 Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 I don't want to think of the abuse he would get if we had drawn or lost - we did actually win today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Sadly for Danny Fox his excellent performance in our promotion season is now forgotten and when he is inevitably moved on sooner rather than later he'll be remember as a crap player who wasn't good enough for us. The truth is somewhat different, he was signed in the championship and proved himself a very capable left back at that level, sadly for him he was a victim of his own success and whilst he played a big part in our promotion season clearly isn't good enough or the premier league. Unlike Hammond, Chaplow, Sharp & Harding who were moved on before they had the chance for the so called fans to label then 'crap' he's been thrown in to a divison which he isn't good enough for and whilst the others will be remembered as heroes who played their part in an great journey, Fox and Guly now have the indignity of being the crowd boo boys, despite always giving their best and trying 100%, despite ultimately not being good enough. Quite Frankly Fox and Guly deserve a bit more respect, neither are premier league players but have always given their all and they too played a big part in our march up the league, sadly some of our fans seem to have forgotten this and happy to dish out stick to good pros who have played their part for this club. Quite sad but unsurprising that so many people seem to so obsessed with progressing they forget and criticise those who helped us get there. Good post, a good point well made. Fox is no worse than Hammond and Harding. What do people want from him? Should he demand not to be played? It's surely the manager's job to improve the team, it's the players job to perform to the best of his ability. if you don't think Fox is good enough, blame MP for keeping him being our second choice LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Red Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 He pulls on a shirt & should be supported by the fans. I was ashamed at times the amount of abuse he received today. He is a saints player so we should get behind him. Ok he is not the best defender but he is our player. This, and every time during the 90 minutes. Too many around us in the Kingsland today were clearly not around 4 seasons ago, and are too ready to abuse players like Fox and Guly who were part of the rise through the divisions and are still here as one of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 I felt sorry for the guy today. even with his mental wage. It cant be nice being heckled by your own fans. he lost his mind and everything went all over the place. his lack of pace in our set up his making his games even worse. dyer had freedom to do what ever he liked and fox would stand 10 yards off his trying to match his run. Just really odd I cant see how he can go on. Done very well for us in the NPC. part of a special year with us but now, woefully out of his depth in a team wanting top half prem, with the likes of lovren, boruc, clyne, lambert etc in it. had shaw played, I honestly think we would have seen us create for more as we would not have been defending like that for so long. everything they did went down our left. Lovren and fonte were furious with him when Rodriguez scored, Fonte was still going at it and lovren called the whole back 4 together for a celebration 'huddle'....more like telling them to STFU for 10 mins as it did not look good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 6 October, 2013 Author Share Posted 6 October, 2013 are people saying Fox shouldn't get stick due to what he has done for us? Or just no-one should get stick ever? If he was a new signing who played so poorly we would be entitled to give stick as he hadn't eyeballed rival fans or anything similar to win over the fans respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 I don't condone the heckling of him at all but disagree with the number of people saying that he does the best he can do. He doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Sadly for Danny Fox his excellent performance in our promotion season is now forgotten and when he is inevitably moved on sooner rather than later he'll be remember as a crap player who wasn't good enough for us. The truth is somewhat different, he was signed in the championship and proved himself a very capable left back at that level, sadly for him he was a victim of his own success and whilst he played a big part in our promotion season clearly isn't good enough or the premier league. Unlike Hammond, Chaplow, Sharp & Harding who were moved on before they had the chance for the so called fans to label then 'crap' he's been thrown in to a divison which he isn't good enough for and whilst the others will be remembered as heroes who played their part in an great journey, Fox and Guly now have the indignity of being the crowd boo boys, despite always giving their best and trying 100%, despite ultimately not being good enough. Quite Frankly Fox and Guly deserve a bit more respect, neither are premier league players but have always given their all and they too played a big part in our march up the league, sadly some of our fans seem to have forgotten this and happy to dish out stick to good pros who have played their part for this club. Quite sad but unsurprising that so many people seem to so obsessed with progressing they forget and criticise those who helped us get there. Guly is now a (somewhat ironic) crowd favourite, but to the untrained ear it sounds just like a lot of support - can't say the same for Fox - and you can also see why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 I don't condone the heckling of him at all but disagree with the number of people saying that he does the best he can do. He doesn't Sorry, but IMO he does. I won't say anymore, Turkish said it all for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exit2 Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Felt sorry for fox as he was left one on one with a very fast skillful player. I was screaming for MOPO to solid up that side for after 5 mins. JWP came and helped a little but the balls were still coming diagonally and causing an issue. Im not even sure LS would donw much more apart from he is a little more solid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 I actually didn't notice the abuse being too bad today really. I think most really want him to do well. Having said that part of football is groaning and players must be mentally strong. If Adam poorly hits a weak shot there will be groans - it isn't personal just people want better. You must ave been plugged into to an iPod or something. He got stick every time he made the slightest mistake, he is not cut the slack others are; then there were the ironic cheers when he did something right. Our support today with regards Fox was moronic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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