Wanyama's 'goal'

[Mattio]

Can someone explain to me what happened with this? I can only assume the ref bottled it because of the corner but did I just miss something?

 

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[farawaysaint]

I think Lovren was the excuse but I'm convinced the ref just didn't want a goal from a corner that wasn't to be used as a stick to beat him with by the media.

[DuncanRG]

It seems that way to me. Very little contact that I could see as the ball was coming in, but I suppose two wrongs do make a right in this case because it was clearly not a corner in the first place.

[so22saint]

On Radio 5 live Tony Pulis called it early. Just as we were about to take the corner he said "that was never a corner. Watch now for the ref to give a free kick whatever happens". During the celebrations he droned in "yep, he's given a free kick, it won't count"

[Mr Saints]

Basically Dean bottled it cos he knew he ****ed up the decision to give us a corner in the first place.

 

Awful refereeing.

[Saint_clark]

Basically Dean bottled it cos he knew he ****ed up the decision to give us a corner in the first place.

 

Awful refereeing.

 

This. If you know you've got it wrong, overturn the decision.

[Whitey Grandad]

Yup. It's usually best to blow your whistle before the ball goes in the net, if you can.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

It looked to me like Vorm might have handled the ball outside of his box very early in the game too - what did the TV replay show?

[The Cat]

It looked to me like Vorm might have handled the ball outside of his box very early in the game too - what did the TV replay show?

 

Looked that way to us down that end.

 

As for the 'goal' me and my son had charged down the steps and were celebrating by the barriers when we belatedly realised it had been disallowed. Oops.

[hutch]

It wasn't from open play, so apparently it wouldn't have counted anyway.

[simo]

Ref's arse went

[Patrick Bateman]

Load of arse. Great goal, I was still jumping around like a c*nt in front of Wanyama when Jrod came over to tell him it wasn't a goal.

[benjii]

On Radio 5 live Tony Pulis called it early. Just as we were about to take the corner he said "that was never a corner. Watch now for the ref to give a free kick whatever happens". During the celebrations he droned in "yep, he's given a free kick, it won't count"

 

I said exactly the same thing. He knew he screwed up from the Swansea reaction and decided to give them a free-kick before we had even taken it.

 

Wanyama's celebration was funny though.

[SuperMikey]

Didn't realise it had been disallowed until Swansea had the ball in our half. BBC match report said it was for "shirt-pulling", but I think it's more down to the fact that Dean made an awful decision to give us the corner and then bottled it. Can't disallow a perfectly good goal because you f*cked up on a decision beforehand, that's throwing yourself even deeper into the sh!t-pile.

[Fan The Flames]

On Radio 5 live Tony Pulis called it early. Just as we were about to take the corner he said "that was never a corner. Watch now for the ref to give a free kick whatever happens". During the celebrations he droned in "yep, he's given a free kick, it won't count"

 

This is exactly what a bloke behind me said.

[Fan The Flames]

I said exactly the same thing. He knew he screwed up from the Swansea reaction and decided to give them a free-kick before we had even taken it.

 

Wanyama's celebration was funny though.

 

Were you sitting behind me near the dugout.

[mcjwills]

Didn't realise it had been disallowed until Swansea had the ball in our half. BBC match report said it was for "shirt-pulling", but I think it's more down to the fact that Dean made an awful decision to give us the corner and then bottled it. Can't disallow a perfectly good goal because you f*cked up on a decision beforehand, that's throwing yourself even deeper into the sh!t-pile.

 

Loveren was tugging a shirt thats why it was disallowed.

[for_heaven's_Saint]

Was hilarious when Wanyama was rolling around in the corner on his own as Swansea stormed forward into our half.

[redsaints106]

On Radio 5 live Tony Pulis called it early. Just as we were about to take the corner he said "that was never a corner. Watch now for the ref to give a free kick whatever happens". During the celebrations he droned in "yep, he's given a free kick, it won't count"

 

This!

[ottery st mary]

Clear view and a good goal.....Lovren was being fouled by Chico..

 

Close to JWP accidently putting ball out for which a goal kick should have clearly been given..

 

There is no way ref could give any foul by Saints from corner.......

 

He realised he had made wrong call and used the challenge by Lovren as an excuse to cancel goal......Lovren was going for and got to ball.

 

Although picture shows possible infringement by Lovren.....centre back HAD already fouled Lovren..

 

 

To be fair I would have been peeved if opposition had scored in same circumstances...

Edited 6 October, 2013 by ottery st mary

[Chez]

How often do refs blow for imaginary free kicks from debatable corners or free kicks to prevent MOTD style replays where those corners and free kicks etc. are called into question? Dean does it all the time.

[The9]

On Radio 5 live Tony Pulis called it early. Just as we were about to take the corner he said "that was never a corner. Watch now for the ref to give a free kick whatever happens". During the celebrations he droned in "yep, he's given a free kick, it won't count"

 

Exactly the same here - I still don't know why he didn't blow during the cross, he left it far too late to give the obvious phantom decision.

[The9]

How often do refs blow for imaginary free kicks from debatable corners or free kicks to prevent MOTD style replays where those corners and free kicks etc. are called into question? Dean does it all the time.

 

He seems to be the one who initiated the practice too. To be honest it undermines the concept of the referee's decision entirely, and he should probably be disciplined for it. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that. If he's messed up in the initial decision, just change it - most people will already know it was wrong and won't have a problem with it.

[The9]

Loveren was tugging a shirt thats why it was disallowed.

 

A convenient coincidence for the ref. What we SHOULD have done, was taken the corner short and kept possession until the ref couldn't give a decision, and used the mistake to our advantage rather than giving him an easy way to get out of it.

[Whitey Grandad]

He seems to be the one who initiated the practice too. To be honest it undermines the concept of the referee's decision entirely, and he should probably be disciplined for it. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that. If he's messed up in the initial decision, just change it - most people will already know it was wrong and won't have a problem with it.

 

It's quite common and it's been going on for years. No ref will ever admit to it in public

[SFKA South Woodford]

This was as shocking a decision as the one to give us the corner, even if Vorm hadn't handled outside the area, the ball came off of him, so should have been a corner to us at least.

[Sheaf Saint]

Couldn't see a thing wrong on the replays myself. Dean was obviously praying that the corner would go straight to the keeper as they more often than not do, and when he realised we had scored from it he conjured up an infringement and gave a FK. Very poor refereeing.

[austsaint]

It looked like Dean pointed to the middle of the park initially for a goal and then got a call from the Assistant.

[The9]

It looked like Dean pointed to the middle of the park initially for a goal and then got a call from the Assistant.

 

He'd have pointed "to the middle" if pointing in the direction of the foul anyway though.

 

He wasn't waiting for anyone else. He's got previous for phantom fouls from corners when it should have been a goal kick, the only strange thing was the delay in blowing. If he blows when the ball is on its way to the box no-one knows what it's for because most people are watching the ball. Waiting as he did allowed the opportunity for us to put the ball in the net and have to have it disallowed.

[Aardvark]

What a load of bolllox all this "ref bottled it" theory is. If he supposedly disallowed the "goal" to atone for his error - why the hell give the corner in the first place? He quite clearly (wrongly) gave the corner because he genuinely thought it was one - it certainly looked like a stone wall corner from where I was watching from in the Kingsland. Equally he (wrongly) disallowed the goal because he saw some offence - replays clearly showed tugging and pushing going on from both sides in which case let it go. Why can't people accept that referees tend to make wrong decisions simply because they cock it up rather than dress it up in some great "they hate my club" conspiracy theory?

[The9]

It's quite common and it's been going on for years. No ref will ever admit to it in public

 

Yup.

[hypochondriac]

What a load of bolllox all this "ref bottled it" theory is. If he supposedly disallowed the "goal" to atone for his error - why the hell give the corner in the first place? He quite clearly (wrongly) gave the corner because he genuinely thought it was one - it certainly looked like a stone wall corner from where I was watching from in the Kingsland. Equally he (wrongly) disallowed the goal because he saw some offence - replays clearly showed tugging and pushing going on from both sides in which case let it go. Why can't people accept that referees tend to make wrong decisions simply because they cock it up rather than dress it up in some great "they hate my club" conspiracy theory?

 

Probably because the secret footballer had spoken to an ex referee who said that the prem had meetings with the refs where they were told not to send off the top players. It's not a hating club conspiracy anyway it's atoning for a previous error and I imagine it's fairly common.

[Aardvark]

Probably because the secret footballer had spoken to an ex referee who said that the prem had meetings with the refs where they were told not to send off the top players. It's not a hating club conspiracy anyway it's atoning for a previous error and I imagine it's fairly common.

 

You are indeed well named.

[Saint_clark]

You are indeed well named.

 

That makes no sense. If his username was Paranoid or Paranoiac, then it would. But hypochondria has nothing to do with believing conspiracies or thinking everyone is out to get you.

 

And anyway, he was right - not a single person on this thread thinks that Mike Dean disallowed the goal as part of some personal vendetta against SFC. Everyone just thinks that he realised almost straight away he'd cocked up the corner decision, didn't want to be seen to go back on it and then as the ball went into the net shat himself and gave a foul for the absolute slightest of contacts.

Please do tell me where exactly we should look to find the foul that was given? I can see Lovren and Wanyama basically resting their hands on Swansea players arms, but if that's what we're giving as fouls now then there should be penalties given every single time the ball is in the box. It's just jostling for position, unless you suggest players keep their arms rigidly at their sides and just swing their bodies at each other like giraffes fighting over a female.

[The9]

There is a huge shirt pull by Lovren, but any actual foul is completely incidental to the whole whistle-blowing episode anyway.

[Saint_clark]

There is a huge shirt pull by Lovren, but any actual foul is completely incidental to the whole whistle-blowing episode anyway.

 

Was there? Any shirt pull was absolutely minimal from what I saw.

[The9]

Was there? Any shirt pull was absolutely minimal from what I saw.

 

They showed an angle from behind the goal near the goalpost where you could see both that Dean didn't blow until the ball was already in the net, and that Lovren had a big handful of Chico Flores' shirt at one point, but not only could Dean not see that, others have already said Flores fouled Lovren first and it had little effect on either of their abilities to play the ball.

 

Plus this is all assuming the ref wasn't just going to make something up anyway.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Ball came off Vorm for a clear corner that wasn't given. Wanyamas 'goal' was from a corner that was given that wasn't. Ref decided phantom free kick to Swansea would atone. To square the circle he should have tapped in a goal for Saints from open play to compensate for the corner that wasn't given, from which we may have scored. We always get **** refs.

Edited 7 October, 2013 by Kingsbridge Saint

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[sandwichsaint]

It's quite common and it's been going on for years. No ref will ever admit to it in public

 

LOL!

 

Phoned my nipper walking out after the game and he was ranting having watched it on the stream - he said what di4k does that? I said I did it on Saturday, hockey umpiring I gave a short corner decision, in good faith, which with hindsight was 99% wrong, the game had moved on from a position where I could easily reverse the decision; as soon as the ball was with the attacking team I gave a phantom decision to the defence, job done. Not ideal but 100 times better than compounding your original mistake with a goal.

 

I thought he did the right thing, I would be pretty ****ed if we were to concede a winning goal later in the season in those sort of circumstances.

[JN9]

Both me and the misses thought it was a corner... So whatever it was that Mr Dean saw, so did I...

[aintforever]

I hate it when refs try and even up after making a mistake like that. I think it's worse refereeing than actually making the mistake in the first place.

[thesaint sfc]

I don't know.

 

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[The9]

Both me and the misses thought it was a corner... So whatever it was that Mr Dean saw, so did I...

 

Pretty sure everyone in the Northam and Northam end of the Kingsland was clear, where were you?

[Dark Munster]

LOL!

 

Phoned my nipper walking out after the game and he was ranting having watched it on the stream - he said what di4k does that? I said I did it on Saturday, hockey umpiring I gave a short corner decision, in good faith, which with hindsight was 99% wrong, the game had moved on from a position where I could easily reverse the decision; as soon as the ball was with the attacking team I gave a phantom decision to the defence, job done. Not ideal but 100 times better than compounding your original mistake with a goal.

 

I thought he did the right thing, I would be pretty ****ed if we were to concede a winning goal later in the season in those sort of circumstances.

Yes, but would you say that if we drew, or lost by one goal?

 

Be honest!

[sandwichsaint]

Yes, but would you say that if we drew, or lost by one goal?

 

Be honest!

 

Be honest!

 

I still think he did the right thing (easy to say when you win 2-0!)

 

I would be pretty miffed if we lost a game like this, so you'd have to say you wouldn't want to win like that either.

 

At the end of the day, we don't actually have any influence on these decisions, only opinions. Guess you have to just take the rough with the smooth and hope it evens out.

 

I'm not a big Mike Dean fan but i thought he was decent yesterday

[Sour Mash]

How much thought had he put into celebrating his first goal in the Premier League

[david in sweden]

and you see it regularly in other games too.

 

The ref. -misses a penalty in the first half and looks for an excuse to correct it later on.

[Give it to Ron]

My lad is in a local Refs Association and they had a Prem League ref as a guest speaker and he

said exactly what happened is how they correct wrong decisions by trying to level it up.

 

Trial by TV for refs is a mare as they get 10 seconds to decide unlike pundits who get to watch it over and over again in slow motion

[JN9]

Pretty sure everyone in the Northam and Northam end of the Kingsland was clear, where were you?

 

Kingsland North