Prince Jazzbo Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 I haven't seen enough to make an opinion yet - but what exactly does he do better than Lambert? Possibly nothing, but everyone seemed to be saying we need some sort of alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 I haven't seen enough to make an opinion yet - but what exactly does he do better than Lambert? He is quicker, more mobile and runs at defenders. Is quite a bit different from Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieDog Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 He is quicker, more mobile and runs at defenders. Is quite a bit different from Lambert. Is that opinion or fact? Can't say I have noticed either of the first 2. It just looks to me that they are playing different roles for the team and Osvaldo is playing the role that Rodriguez was playing last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 that's just ridiculous. Osvaldo was Roma's top scorer last season, he's also Italy's no.9. Jordan Rhodes is a good striker in a mid-table Championship side. Get real. Rhodes wouldn't get in our squad. Cool, you be sure to come back and rub it in when Osvaldo manages to score more then 5 goals this season. Rhodes will probably knock in close to 40 again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Cool, you be sure to come back and rub it in when Osvaldo manages to score more then 5 goals this season. Rhodes will probably knock in close to 40 again So Jordan Rhodes has the quality to play as the number 9 for a nation that has won the world cup in the last decade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 So Jordan Rhodes is international quality? Yes he plays for Scotland even though that's entirely irrelevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Yes he plays for Scotland even though that's entirely irrelevant Well. No it isn't. You say he is better then Osvaldo. Osvaldo plays as a number 9 for Italy. So by connection you are saying that Rhodes is of the quality to play for one of the most well regarded nations in international football. Are you calling your own words irrelevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Well. No it isn't. You say he is better then Osvaldo. Osvaldo plays as a number 9 for Italy. So by connection you are saying that Rhodes is of the quality to play for one of the most well regarded nations in international football. Are you calling your own words irrelevant? I said he'd score more goals in the premiership, which clearly he would. You can keep pretending Osvaldos world class all you want just because he came from a big name club though, we must all just be missing something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 I said he'd score more goals in the premiership, which clearly he would. You can keep pretending Osvaldos world class all you want just because he came from a big name club though, we must all just be missing something On the basis of a thread full of people who have been watching him closely since he joined, no, just you. Nothing wrong with holding a minority view chap. Be proud, be resilient. It is clear to me that we have signed him to be far, far more then someone who is just there to stick the ball into the onion bag. The team works with a mobile and versatile front 2/3/4 depending on the opposition. Rhodes or Sharp (for example) would not and do not fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 On the basis of a thread full of people who have been watching him closely since he joined, no, just you. Nothing wrong with holding a minority view chap. Be proud, be resilient. Your tetchyness is adorable, I hope you don't get too disappointed when he doesn't send you back a card at Xmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Your tetchyness is adorable, I hope you don't get too disappointed when he doesn't send you back a card at Xmas Why the chip on the shoulder? It's a forum.... it's where discussion takes place..... I'm not being tetchy it's simply a fact that your view is in the minority and we are talking about why we differ. Chill out man. The snideness doesn't become you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Why the chip on the shoulder? It's a forum.... it's where discussion takes place..... I'm not being tetchy it's simply a fact that your view is in the minority and we are talking about why we differ. Chill out man. The snideness doesn't become you. 'I'm not tetchy, you are' strong retort is strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 'I'm not tetchy, you are' strong retort is strong I see, you just want to aimlessly argue. I made the mistake in biting in the first place. Enjoy yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 I see, you just want to aimlessly argue. I made the mistake in biting in the first place. Enjoy yourself. Inb4 edit number 4. You are so mad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Is that opinion or fact? Can't say I have noticed either of the first 2. It just looks to me that they are playing different roles for the team and Osvaldo is playing the role that Rodriguez was playing last season well from what I've seen, he's certainly isn't the same type of player as Lambert and has different attributes. He definitely is quicker and more mobile but I can't give you "facts" around how much more quicker and mobile he is. He just is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Rhodes...... Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Rhodes...... Lol It kind of reminds me of when people were saying that Ricky Van Wolfswinkle is a quality and great value for money signing in comparison to our business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 It kind of reminds me of when people were saying that Ricky Van Wolfswinkle is a quality and great value for money signing in comparison to our business And I know a certain someone that was talking about Arnautovic.... I´m a bit surprised that noone has recognised the two runs Osvaldo did sunday to open the space up for Lallana through the middle. Unfortunately first pass from Lambert were a yard too much forward for Lallana and the other one hit the defender between them. Both times Osvaldo open up the middle with a run towards the left and their CB followed him.... Osvaldos movement often open up space for other players so he is far more than just a goalscorer.....and to compare him to Rhodes..... yeah, are we comparing Lambert with Carroll now.....oh I just remembered some people does.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 It kind of reminds me of when people were saying that Ricky Van Wolfswinkle is a quality and great value for money signing in comparison to our business Signing a player for £8.5m who has only scored once in six or seven games instead of a player for £13m who has scored once in six or seven games you mean? or in the case of Ramirez, not at all? Imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Signing a player for £8.5m who has only scored once in six or seven games instead of a player for £13m who has scored once in six or seven games you mean? or in the case of Ramirez, not at all? Imagine. Did we pay another £12m for Ramirez this year?! FFS Cortese out!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Yes because Osvaldos been a much better signing then Wolfswinkel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Signing a player for £8.5m who has only scored once in six or seven games instead of a player for £13m who has scored once in six or seven games you mean? or in the case of Ramirez, not at all? Imagine. It's interesting comparing a player who is barely touching the ball for his club to one that is obviously pulling his weight. Norwich were seen as having taken a massive step forward in the summer yet sit level on points with the relegation zone. Osvaldo's goal record needs to improve but he is certainly not shirking any responsibility with his performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Looks a class act to me. Great skill, strength and good movement. Good goal v Palace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 It's interesting comparing a player who is barely touching the ball for his club to one that is obviously pulling his weight. Norwich were seen as having taken a massive step forward in the summer yet sit level on points with the relegation zone. Osvaldo's goal record needs to improve but he is certainly not shirking any responsibility with his performances. I'm not knocking Osvaldo, I think he was a good signing based on ability as long as his head is right. Wanyama who we overpaid for and Ramirez are the questionable ones. Van Wolfswinkel is contributing to them team according to Houghton, unless you know better..? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24429246 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 I'm not knocking Osvaldo, I think he was a good signing based on ability as long as his head is right. Wanyama who we overpaid for and Ramirez are the questionable ones. Van Wolfswinkel is contributing to them team according to Houghton, unless you know better..? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24429246 From Football 365 It's worrying to note that 17 of the 19 players used by Norwich this have averaged more touches of the ball than RVW. I'm sorry, I cannot agree with your assertion on Wanyama either but that's certainly a topic for another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 I'm not knocking Osvaldo, I think he was a good signing based on ability as long as his head is right. Wanyama who we overpaid for and Ramirez are the questionable ones. Van Wolfswinkel is contributing to them team according to Houghton, unless you know better..? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24429246 Don't you think that Pochettino would say that all our signings are contributing to the team? How does that prove anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Don't you think that Pochettino would say that all our signings are contributing to the team? How does that prove anything? Doesn't prove anything, other than your OP was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Doesn't prove anything, other than your OP was wrong. about what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Doesn't prove anything, other than your OP was wrong. OP had his opinion and some questions......how are either wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 about what? About this "It kind of reminds me of when people were saying that Ricky Van Wolfswinkle is a quality and great value for money signing in comparison to our business :mcinnes:". Osvaldo and v Wolfswinkel have achieved exactly the same so far - except van Wolfwinkel cost £5m less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 About this "It kind of reminds me of when people were saying that Ricky Van Wolfswinkle is a quality and great value for money signing in comparison to our business :mcinnes:". Osvaldo and v Wolfswinkel have achieved exactly the same so far - except van Wolfwinkel cost £5m less. Exactly the same.... You dont see any difference if a player contributes to a team positioned in 4th place to someone in a team that is in relegation place in the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 About this "It kind of reminds me of when people were saying that Ricky Van Wolfswinkle is a quality and great value for money signing in comparison to our business :mcinnes:". Osvaldo and v Wolfswinkel have achieved exactly the same so far - except van Wolfwinkel cost £5m less. I know which player I would prefer despite the price difference. Let's just see who turns out to be the player at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Exactly the same.... You dont see any difference if a player contributes to a team positioned in 4th place to someone in a team that is in relegation place in the table? Weird logic. That means Fox is better than Julio Cesar the Brazilian national goalkeeper at QPR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 I know which player I would prefer despite the price difference. Let's just see who turns out to be the player at the end of the season. Sure agree, and Osvaldo may well be better. Just pointing out your post and was totally premature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Sure agree, and Osvaldo may well be better. Just pointing out your post and was totally premature. About as premature as people talking up what others are doing whilst playing down/questioning what we are doing which happens every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Weird logic. That means Fox is better than Julio Cesar the Brazilian national goalkeeper at QPR. Does it....ok, no weird logic there..... But if Fox do contribute to Brazil winning the World Cup I guess it does mean that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 About as premature as people talking up what others are doing whilst playing down/questioning what we are doing which happens every year. Its a discussion board, get on the One Direction teeny boards if you want unobjective adoration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Its a discussion board, get on the One Direction teeny boards if you want unobjective adoration. that doesn't make any sense Timothy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Patrón Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Buctootim knows what's up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Never understood the rationale for disecting and moaning about the players we have - only time I believe its appropriate to whinge and moan is if they aint giving 100%. We seem to have plenty on here who seem determined to find fault which ever way they turn... the perception you get is that if we cant whinge and moan about the club and its leadership because 2 promotions and 60 odd place rise in 4 years means something must be going OK, then lets attack the transfer policy and whinge and moan about certain players... they are OUR players no matter what their peceived abilities or lack of - if they give their best they deserve our support. Observing Osvaldo its clear he has ability - its also clear that we are a work in progress and MP has still to get the best from this SQUAD - that final third ball, and attacking formation is not working as effectively as it potentially can - which is obvious - but why start to isolate individuals as a result? same with Fox - what has he done to deserve soem of the personal abuse he gets... the strangest thing of all is that many of those being so dismissive of players and their abilities, seem the same old names that still whinge about the 'lack of loyalty'/'disgraceful behaviour' shown against Adkins.... two faced ****** IMHO. ...seems like the club can not do anything right in some folks eyes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Some very odd posts on this thread! Osvaldo is a top striker. Can dribble, is powerful, good link up play, has a decent shot on him and can do something out of the ordinary. I am very excited about his contributions this season, he's definitely made us a better team. Not quite understanding people saying they'd rather have RVW who has done no more than Osvaldo, or Rhodes, who is proven in a lower league but would have cost about the same amount of money as Osvaldo. Plus - Rhodes is a poacher of a striker, you need a bit more than that to play in the prem. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player, but comparing him with a player playing regularly for Italy.....hmmmm strange IMO. Each to their own though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 9 October, 2013 Share Posted 9 October, 2013 Never understood the rationale for disecting and moaning about the players we have they're not ur kids frank, you don't have to love them all equally. I quite like to read what people think bout which players is better than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 12 October, 2013 Share Posted 12 October, 2013 So will he be here much longer? http://www.footballfancast.com/premiership/southampton/southampton-star-hints-at-possible-exit I like the comment You see this is what is wrong about the press, the Sunday People completely misquote a player to make a sensationalist story then everyone else starts reporting the misquote. The actual interview given by Osvaldo was to Telenoche, where he talked about how he was adapting to the style of English Football. What he actually said was, I quote “In England, football is much more physical than Italian and Spanish, and it is played with an impressive rhythm despite the fact that it is less technical than in Spain. What I like very much is the passion of the supporters, it is like they are crazy during the match but once it ends, everything is calm. They salute their team and go home without any problems, that’s fantastic”. With regards to the comment about his wanting to play in Argentina, what he said, was that he is loving his time in England but that he would relish the opportunity to return to Argentina at some point in the future and play for Boca Juniors (basically to finish his career there). So, he was not slating English football, he was not complaining about the physical aspect and he is not looking to leave already. But then, a player saying he is happy and what his dreams are for the future does not get people to read articles does it, hence the press changes what is said. I believe in a free press, but only when the press uses it responsibly by reporting the truth. If someone else lies or misquotes something said, that does not absolve you from the responsibility of being truthful in your reporting, else you are just perpetuating the lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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