rallyboy Posted 11 February, 2015 Share Posted 11 February, 2015 So by official standards Bertrand's tackle v Swansea was worse than Cole's assault on Yoshida... And according to that clown tonight Fonte's handball was equal to Cole's late head high studs first challenge. We just want consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 Not just from tonight, but a general moan about refereeing - no matter what happens in the fame, the added time is pretty much just 4 or 5mins. I can't ever remember watching a game that is just 2mins, or 8mins or any proper variance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 He had been doing pretty well until the Fonte handball/Davis deflected shot. After that it was downhill and brutal. 6 subs; a protracted and disputed sending off; two lengthy stoppages for injuries, including a head injury; continual time-wasting and a pitch invader -and the officials give 5mins added time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 Not just from tonight, but a general moan about refereeing - no matter what happens in the fame, the added time is pretty much just 4 or 5mins. I can't ever remember watching a game that is just 2mins, or 8mins or any proper variance. And always 1 minute before half time regardless of what happens during the first half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redslo Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 Not just from tonight, but a general moan about refereeing - no matter what happens in the fame, the added time is pretty much just 4 or 5mins. I can't ever remember watching a game that is just 2mins, or 8mins or any proper variance. Time was properly added on for Targett's injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 He had been doing pretty well until the Fonte handball/Davis deflected shot. After that it was downhill and brutal. 6 subs; a protracted and disputed sending off; two lengthy stoppages for injuries, including a head injury; continual time-wasting and a pitch invader -and the officials give 5mins added time Exactly. Forgot about the pitch invader actually, what the f**k was that about!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 Exactly. Forgot about the pitch invader actually, what the f**k was that about!? I can only assume it was a West Ham fan in the home end. No Saints fan would interrupt the game while we were pushing for a goal, and look so smug about it whilst taking abuse from the Northam, and knowing the whole while that they'd never be let in the ground again. Sorry to keep bringing things back to the ref but I cannot believe it took him so long to notice. There's him, 2 linos and a fourth official all connected via headsets and it took him almost a full minute, including him turning his head round past looking right at him to run in the opposite direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 Many slaughter him but Clattenburg is so much better than many of these younger refs. Only other one I have been impressed with was that fella who did the Newcastle game, can we have him more often please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd_barrett_saint Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 The ref was an absolute disgrace last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 I have never seen a goal keeper stand there in open play, for so long, and the ref do nothing. I counted 33 seconds for one kick and that wasn't the worst. And I mean out of his hands not goal kick. At one point I thought their keeper was going to be allowed to stand there until the end of the game without having to kick it. The referee indicated that he would add on time at the end, which for a drop kick is not correct. Either way 5 minutes! 3 mins for six subs, then there was the sending off. Then the Carroll injury, the yoshida kick in the head jack or chan style, several other times the trainer was on , for both teams and then the goal kick time wasting and the drop kick time wasting, I was expecting double figures on the injury time. Now all that on top of a clearly chat with ferguson refereeing display and I was lucky enough to see with my own eyes the corrupt was which takes place in a multi billion pound business when those that get paid the least make the biggest decisions. Last night football was corrupt. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 How can a kick in the head on a six foot plus player (who was standing and not bending to head the ball) not be a red card? A deliberate handball (in another match last night) to score a goal should be a sending off for deliberate cheating. Professional Refs? Sphericals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 Bagging referees is a national and international pastime but last nights lot (including the flag wavers) were a new low. The corner not given from Davo's shot at goal in the second half (serious deflection) was among the biggest clangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 The ref could have given 1 hour & 5 mins injury time .... we still would not have scored! The standard of refs though is at an all time low ..... I can count of one hand the decent ref displays this season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raging Bull Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 Even fat Sam on 2 occasions walked over to the 4th official and said "that was their ball" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 That ref was a bit special. I really hope him and his team sit down and watch a re-run of that. It is NEVER a handball when the ball hits you on the arm. That nonsense has all stopped. I thought he got that with their two handballs, but no, he penalises Fonte and books him for good measure. Clown. Anyone remember Nani's red card in the European Cup? Coles assault was far worse - straight red, no question - but this idiot nearly let him off without a booking. The stoppage time was a joke. Refs hardly ever blow up until an attack has stopped - its just what happens - but this numpty blows up bang on 5 minutes, despite West Ham being warned extra time was going to be added to stoppage time!! So, just incompetent or bent? Either way a disgraceful performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightysaints Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 The Fonte booking was disgraceful, good job he wasn't in the area, if he had given a pen for that then a riot would have happened. Quite frankly the standard of refs this season is very bad, not just Saints but everyone is complaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 He was one of the most frustrating refs we've had this season. Did my flaming head in. He had no control of that game after about 30 mins. Both teams can have valid cause to criticize him as he was all over the shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knellster Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 As an ex-referee I'm not normally one to criticise, but the guy last night was the worst I've seen in a long time. I can actually excuse the corner From Steven Davis' shot because he and the lino were both looking side on whereas we were behind the goal, and I think he was trying to avoid stopping play for the ***t running on the pitch. However, the yellow card for Fonte was a joke, even more so when he didn't even give a free kick in the second half when their defender raised his arms to block a shot (and then went down holding his arm to confirm it was handball), and only adding five minutes is just ripping off supporters who paid to see 90 minutes of football. Jenkinson was taking an age over throw ins even before Adrian was sent off. I know it takes bottle to play 8 or 9 minutes of stoppage time, but these guys are supposed to be the best in the country so they should be brave enough to do the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 Coles assault was far worse - straight red, no question - but this idiot nearly let him off without a booking. I thought that, he was totally going to keep his cards in his pocket till the crowd started howling, I'm sure of it. Mark of a shit ref, right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WealdSaint Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 Yes, last mights ref was the worst this season, and that is saying something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 I thought that, he was totally going to keep his cards in his pocket till the crowd started howling, I'm sure of it. Mark of a shit ref, right there Even Graham Poll (everyone's favourite ) had a pop at him on Talksh ite this afternoon. said it was a definite red and that Pawson is a very weak ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 12 February, 2015 Share Posted 12 February, 2015 does the FA revue system for retrospective punishments / suspensions still apply......or ? How does that work ......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 15 February, 2015 Author Share Posted 15 February, 2015 Shocker at Bradford. Sunderland denied such an obvious penalty it is laughable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 9 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Oliver at old Trafford for the cup has been excellent tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Oliver at old Trafford for the cup has been excellent tonight. Absolutely excellent. Been brave and right on every big decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Totally agree, he's had a great game and finally, it's nice to see a ref with some balls making the right calls at Old Trafford. I bet Fergie is up in the stands muttering that it wouldn't have happened under his watch Van Gaal just looks gormless, I can see Fergie's face now looking thunderous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Oliver at old Trafford for the cup has been excellent tonight. Agreed, most refs wouldn't have had the balls to send off ADM and would probably have given Januzaj then pen, even though it was blatantly the wrong decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Absolutely excellent. Been brave and right on every big decision. Why did Janusaj dive, he was past the defender. The only annoying thing is that because he is captain, Rooney can't get booked for gobbing off all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 United deserved that. They're a horrible team to watch full of cheating niggly players. None of them are very likeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 The expression on his face when Di Maria grabbed him was brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Oliver at old Trafford for the cup has been excellent tonight. Brilliant refereeing. Not often we've said that lately but credit where it's due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 9 March, 2015 Share Posted 9 March, 2015 Brilliant refereeing. Not often we've said that lately but credit where it's due. Got all the decisions right, but certainly loved it also I felt. Seemed to love strutting around brandishing a card. Still, if you are making the right calls you can get away with it I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 March, 2015 Share Posted 10 March, 2015 Got all the decisions right, but certainly loved it also I felt. Seemed to love strutting around brandishing a card. Still, if you are making the right calls you can get away with it I guess. You've got to have balls to be a referee. You can't be Mr. Nice Guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 10 March, 2015 Share Posted 10 March, 2015 You've got to have balls to be a referee. You can't be Mr. Nice Guy. Yeah fair point. I certainly wouldn't fancy it. Even the noise the refs down the local Goals I used to play at would be enough to put me off (I'm far from an angel in that regard, though did endeavour to improve that). Still, he did seem to enjoy being at the heart of things tonight. Fair play though, he got every decision right for me though, which as you say does deserve credit. We haven't seen enough of that of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 10 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 10 March, 2015 I guess you have to appear like Oliver did last night. He got nearly everything right. Which is rare at old Trafford when it is against United He had their players surrounding him all the time and he never bottled it. Weaker refs (and there are so many) would have let United off last night with something big Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallyboy Posted 10 March, 2015 Share Posted 10 March, 2015 In the light of recent appalling refereeing performances by various clowns that was a very good game. We have seen too many occasions when United have been allowed to get away with loads at Old Trafford, fair play to Oliver, brave and correct - no doubt his decisions were made easier by having Rooney as an assistant in his face all night. Next step - give penalties against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge, to be introduced asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 10 March, 2015 Share Posted 10 March, 2015 The expression on his face when Di Maria grabbed him was brilliant! It was a look that said "you're f.cked, sunshine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 10 March, 2015 Share Posted 10 March, 2015 What's the bettting that Oliver never refs at OT again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hasper57saint Posted 10 March, 2015 Share Posted 10 March, 2015 I've been one of the strongest critics of Refs recently,Mr.Friend et al but Oliver did quite a good job last night in spite of the of the constant intimidation of Manure and it's apologists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry the Badger Posted 10 March, 2015 Share Posted 10 March, 2015 When a succession of professional referees (who are just normal people trying to d a job as well as they can) continue to make the same errors over and over again, when there is such a clear pattern of them struggling to get things right, surely the only logical explanation is that it's really bloody difficult? I don't accept that they're all biased or stupid, they are highly trained professionals who are clearly being put into a very tough job and expected to get everything right. The pattern is such that you have to conclude it's just not possible for them to judge everything correctly, especially in the face of such constant attempts to deceive them by the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 March, 2015 Share Posted 10 March, 2015 When a succession of professional referees (who are just normal people trying to d a job as well as they can) continue to make the same errors over and over again, when there is such a clear pattern of them struggling to get things right, surely the only logical explanation is that it's really bloody difficult? I don't accept that they're all biased or stupid, they are highly trained professionals who are clearly being put into a very tough job and expected to get everything right. The pattern is such that you have to conclude it's just not possible for them to judge everything correctly, especially in the face of such constant attempts to deceive them by the players. Or possibly they aren't actually errors but are only considered such by those who don't understand the Laws? I've heard enough rubbish spouted by alleged pundits on TV to convince me that they don't know the Laws and have never actually tried to referee a game themselves. I don't think TV helps, there's too much over-analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 10 March, 2015 Share Posted 10 March, 2015 The world order is disturbed I find myself agreeing with Lawrenson Refs today know the rules but do not know the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 10 March, 2015 Share Posted 10 March, 2015 Craig Pawson held up the electronic board, last night, in a most proficient manner. I would suggest he sticks to doing that every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 10 March, 2015 Share Posted 10 March, 2015 Craig Pawson held up the electronic board, last night, in a most proficient manner. I would suggest he sticks to doing that every week. the mystery man called refs assessors will have marked him up for that, definite premier league game this weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 13 March, 2015 Share Posted 13 March, 2015 (edited) I think we have to ask ourselves......WHY?....when other leading sports use "modern technology" at the highest level to assist referees in making decisions, Sepp Blatter & Co. make demi-gods of referees (who are only human) and defend them to the uttermost, when it's clear they can't be correct every time, and many are clearly not upto the required standard for Prem./ International football. TV replays can be seen within seconds of the incident. Frank Lampard's " non-goal" in the WC v.Germany made Blatter and his entire arguement look very pathetic. Although the so-called "goaline technology " has ruled out that future possibility, we have to admit the greatest problem still exists in penalty-type situations, and "diving " to "win" penalties and gets players wrongly sent off. I watch several games a week online, and can't recall the goaline cameras being called into use more than a couple of times during the whole season, whereas "dubious " decisions that eventually affect the final result seem to occur in almost every game. Despite all other arguements, I still maintain that if we can watch a game (on TV) thousands of miles away and see "what really happens" via TV replays, why can't the fourth official do the same at the ground? Sometimes what we watch is like a Hollywood script gone wrong, and some players deserve Oscars for "diving". Whilst referees struggle with many dubious situations, they will continue to come under (unfair) criticism and without defence, when they clearly get it wrong. Edited 13 March, 2015 by david in sweden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 13 March, 2015 Share Posted 13 March, 2015 Constantly stopping games would lead them to become like NFL where a 1 hour game lasts somewhere around 3 hours or Rugby where an 80 minute game lasts nigh on 2 and a half hours. Whatismore I've noticed that in Rugby at least players are becoming more and more proficient in masking actions, falling down at the same time as a try scorer in a bit of a ruckuss sometimes stops the video ref seeing what happens really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted 13 March, 2015 Share Posted 13 March, 2015 Basically to use technology to decide if the ref is wrong or the player has cheated. It will be interesting on Sunday to see whether Chelsea carry on from Wednesday with their tactics or will be more subtle because of media scrutiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 13 March, 2015 Share Posted 13 March, 2015 I am very happy with the current standard of refereeing and the small number of truly controversial incidents is far out weighed by the millions of good decisions made routinely at every game by the officials when most people in the crowd have no idea what is going on. Considering the vile abuse directed at referees by home crowds in pretty much every game one can only marvel that there are enough stout hearted individuals who will take the job on in the first place e and for what, a pittance in footballing terms compared to what all the diving and moaning so-called stars get paid for being offensive. High time people laid off referees and pointed the finger at the real architects of their misery, under performing coaches and players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 March, 2015 Share Posted 13 March, 2015 I am very happy with the current standard of refereeing and the small number of truly controversial incidents is far out weighed by the millions of good decisions made routinely at every game by the officials when most people in the crowd have no idea what is going on. Considering the vile abuse directed at referees by home crowds in pretty much every game one can only marvel that there are enough stout hearted individuals who will take the job on in the first place e and for what, a pittance in footballing terms compared to what all the diving and moaning so-called stars get paid for being offensive. High time people laid off referees and pointed the finger at the real architects of their misery, under performing coaches and players. Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 13 March, 2015 Author Share Posted 13 March, 2015 I am very happy with the current standard of refereeing and the small number of truly controversial incidents is far out weighed by the millions of good decisions made routinely at every game by the officials when most people in the crowd have no idea what is going on. Considering the vile abuse directed at referees by home crowds in pretty much every game one can only marvel that there are enough stout hearted individuals who will take the job on in the first place e and for what, a pittance in footballing terms compared to what all the diving and moaning so-called stars get paid for being offensive. High time people laid off referees and pointed the finger at the real architects of their misery, under performing coaches and players. it is though, is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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