Spurs after Shaw

[Tokyo-Saint]

Oh yeah Mikey, you better believe it. I have them all including classics such as 'what are you up to at Easter email in special'.

[Window Cleaner]

Real will probably be begging Spurs to take Bale back by then anyway, been there a month, played about 100 minutes of football.

He's out again today. A million £ for 100 minutes..not bad at all. And we think Gaston is overpriced.

Edited 1 October, 2013 by Window Cleaner

[Dark Munster]

North London yobbos.

[The9]

A meaningless story manufactured by an insignificant local newspaper, regurgitating the same old rubbish to encourage a few Spurs fans, at least those able to read, to buy the paper. A local reporter working for the East London Guardian won’t know that Southampton buys players for £15m and is not in the business of selling academy products who will be worth a lot more than that if they are not already. Neither will such a junior reporter have any real information about the plans of Tottenham Hotspur FC but it is a reminder of why Cortese has signed his star players on long-term contracts to counter the speculation that will be regularly manufactured by the media in order to write stories about the London/Manchester/Liverpool clubs.

 

It certainly worked to stop any Bale or Suarez speculation in the summer.

[lordswoodsaints]

Ha ha spurs want shaw for £15m.....so would every other team in the prem and I would like messi for £40m but it ain't ever going to happen.

[toe_punt]

Two years ago, 15M bought you a lot of player. But with the money in the Prem these days, "15M is the new 2M".

Despite his defensive deficiencies, I would not sell Shaw for that money.

[SuperMikey]

Oh yeah Mikey, you better believe it. I have them all including classics such as 'what are you up to at Easter email in special'.

 

That was a good show. Ah, I miss those days.

[david in sweden]

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/sport/spurs/10706851.Spurs_make_Shaw_top_January_target/?ref=mr

 

where do they get this nonsense from ?.

 

First.... its Man.U "plotting " to buy Shaw for £ 25 million next summer, and now Spurs will offer £15 mill...?

 

for goodness sake someone tell them......a paltry £15 mill. wouldn't buy his right boot, let alone his left.

 

.and for everyone else ..Hey..... WE DON'T NEED THE MONEY !

[hypochondriac]

But we are already spending the money on the team, it seems that that is not dependent on selling our best players. The sale of Bale by saints helped us pay for a team that plummeted to League One and also brought us Tommy Forecast. We could have equal success by selling Shaw. I'd rather we kept Shaw, as good a player as we'll get at full-back and continued to strengthen in other areas as we have been doing.

 

Moving down a level at left back to fund other players who, in all likelihood will be at a lower level than Shaw, may well happen, but to say it's what you would choose is madness. We want to gradually improve all positions to the quality of Shaw, not use the Shaw money to buy a team full of lesser players.

 

Spurs were already spending money before the sale of Bale, they just spent more. I also didn't say it's what I would choose just that I would say yes at 30 million with a sell on clause.

[hypochondriac]

Quite.

 

No one said they wanted to sell him though?

[kpturner]

Can't be true - we've already agreed to let him go to Man Utd

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

Chelsea for £27m in Jan' with loan back until the summer.

 

It's a done deal from what I've been told. I will, of course, hold my hands up if I'm wrong.

 

This is the exact opposite of what I have been told. Also, why on Earth do you think the clubs would already have agreed a fee?

[View From The Top]

This is the exact opposite of what I have been told. Also' date=' why on Earth do you think the clubs would already have agreed a fee?[/quote']Just passing on what I've been told by someone who I know & trust.

[JoeShmoe]

Man Utd are going to chuck money at anything that moves in Jan and if Everton don't sell Baines they'll be in for Shaw

 

Can't see why a deal would be done because common business sense tells you that if we are interested in selling we ought to be able to get a bidding war going between the top clubs

 

He will go because he's a CL player already and will be England's left back for the next ten years. Just hope when we do sell him we get a ****load of money and some decent players in return

[davefoggy]

Why? I understand why or Shaw or Cortese might be tempted, but as a fan, why would you want to sell a player that we would be unlikely to replace with somebody of the same calibre? You do realise that even with 30m, we couldn't attract a player proven to be as good as Shaw, don't you? I don't care if the privately owned club make 30m in player sales, I want to see Shaw play for saints.

 

This

[View From The Top]

I think you lot are also ignoring the fact that the lad is a dyed in the wool Chelsea fan and wants to play for them.

 

He knows Chelsea wants him, he knows Cole is reaching the twilight of his career and he is going to be playing for them, it's just a question of when.

[hypochondriac]

This

 

Oh dear. Where has anyone said they Want to sell Shaw?

[Sour Mash]

Wouldn't surprise me if he goes next summer, but we'd be looking around the £30m mark. Would be disappointing, but reinvested well, it could make us stronger - see Spurs with Bale.

[Turkish]

Wouldn't surprise me if he goes next summer, but we'd be looking around the £30m mark. Would be disappointing, but reinvested well, it could make us stronger - see Spurs with Bale.

 

Exactly. Rate £25-£30m and it buys you a quality replacement plus one other quality player, stronger overall. although as we've been told tonight Matt Targett is ever closer to the first team maybe we won't need to replace him!

[LostBoys]

All started in that illustrious football journal the Haringey Herald now chip paper I do know you cannot wrap chips in newspapers

 

 

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[hypochondriac]

Wouldn't surprise me if he goes next summer, but we'd be looking around the £30m mark. Would be disappointing, but reinvested well, it could make us stronger - see Spurs with Bale.

 

Which is exactly what I said earlier in the thread.

[westofshannonsaint]

Doubt Cortese would even give them the dignity of a response at that price. Very lazy journalism.

 

I think he might have if you look at the comments,

 

1:05pm Mon 30 Sep 13

 

montecristosaint says...

 

It seems that there atill young experienced reporters who have not taken on board the revolution at Southampton. This is a very ambitious club who are attempting to break down the existing hierarchy in english football, and it is therefore that their best players particularly those who have come into the first team from the academy are beyond price. Simply no point in making offers they will be binned. Much more likely is the prospect of Saints cherry picking the best talent from other english clubs,including the likes of Spurs Arsenal Liverpool and so on.

 

 

 

The fact is that AOC went for £15m +addons when we were in L1. Does anyone expect Shaw, with his prem experience & long term contract to go for a similar amount?

 

Were we not offered similar amounts during the summer?

 

I am genuinely surprised with the amount of people on here that don't realise that we are no longer a selling club.

[FloridaMarlin]

Some people need to disabuse themselves of the notion that we are not a selling club.

 

Every club is a selling club if a) the price is right and/or b) they know the player wants to leave (tapped up) and they risk losing him for nothing at the end of his contract.

 

Manchester United sold Ronaldo. Spurs sold Bale. You wouldn't describe either of them as a selling club - certainly not United - but they sold when it suited them.

 

If Saints are confronted by a combination of a) & b) above, they will sell Shaw.

 

When that time comes, it will be Cortese's task to do what those other 'non-selling' clubs did, and get the best possible deal.

[Dig Dig]

Don't worry too much MLG, this forum is brilliant at determining if young Left Backs are ready for the first team!

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?40864-Luke-Shaw&highlight=Shaw#.UktllJm9LTo

[westofshannonsaint]

the first time i've used 3 posts in a day in a long time...

 

Some people need to disabuse themselves of the notion that we are not a selling club.

 

Disabuse might become my new word, but other than AOC who was the last player we sold for a decent amount of cash?

 

Every club is a selling club if a) the price is right and/or b) they know the player wants to leave (tapped up) and they risk losing him for nothing at the end of his contract. Manchester United sold Ronaldo. Spurs sold Bale. You wouldn't describe either of them as a selling club - certainly not United - but they sold when it suited them.

 

If Saints are confronted by a combination of a) & b) above, they will sell Shaw.

 

When that time comes, it will be Cortese's task to do what those other 'non-selling' clubs did, and get the best possible deal.

 

The players you quoted above went for over £80m each (i think). I concede if someone offered silly money + addons, then NC would then have something to think about. £15m for shaw is not silly money especially when we are lacking in back up in the LB spot (see other threads).

 

I think the punch situation shows how NC deals with players who don't want to be here & the AOC situation shows how he deals with out of contract players who think they can do better.

 

How long does Shaw have left on his contract?

[moonraker]

There is of course a tipping point when any club will sell any player, Bale Ronaldo, the speculation on here is what is the tipping point. In simple money terms it is not in my opinion £15m or anywhere close. The tipping point will be determined by a number of factors, the one most often repeated is the players desire to leave. As of today we have no evidence of this, many are assuming, understandably so, that if a big club comes in for him he will want to go but an assumption is all this is. In terms of Chelsea I do not subscribe to he’s a supporter angle I can not think of a single major transfer that has been heavily influenced by the team the player preferred as a child. In addition his 5 year contract means the club do not have to sell him any time soon and what we all seem to agree on is that NC will not be pushed around. Finally I believe a key to Luke’s immediate future is how well we do this season, whilst I am not in the CL spot space I do feel that anything from 8th upward would provide real food for thought for the lad, he may be much more attracted by the prospect of being part of what might be our beloved clubs finest hours.

[DrunkenSaint]

So if our aim is to get into Europe there is no point in selling. Get into Europe and you'll get that 15m, Spurs has a lot of money to throw around i would place a 50m tag on him as he is suppose to be the "next Bale" which will be telling them in a nice way...to go and do one.

[manji]

Cortese said that he wouldnt have sold Bale. So I think the chance of Shaw going anywhere is non-existant.

[ericb]

In terms of Chelsea I do not subscribe to he’s a supporter angle I can not think of a single major transfer that has been heavily influenced by the team the player preferred as a child./QUOTE]

 

Shearer to Newcastle. Robbie Keanne to every club he's ever played for

[Sour Mash]

Cortese said that he wouldnt have sold Bale. So I think the chance of Shaw going anywhere is non-existant.

The chances aren't 'non-existant' are they? Cortese sold Chamberlain.

[suewhistle]

Manchester United sold Ronaldo. Spurs sold Bale. You wouldn't describe either of them as a selling club - certainly not United - but they sold when it suited them.

 

Whilst I agree with a lot of what you say it should be pointed out that although MU's turnover is massive they were bought by the Glazers in a leveraged buyout; an expensive purchase with expensive (due to the risk) _borrowed_ money. The Leibherrs bought Saints cheaply from their own resources so I reckon they've got more room to manoeuvre, even if the profit motive ultimately remains the same.

[moonraker]

In terms of Chelsea I do not subscribe to he’s a supporter angle I can not think of a single major transfer that has been heavily influenced by the team the player preferred as a child./QUOTE]

 

Shearer to Newcastle. Robbie Keanne to every club he's ever played for

 

I did say heavily influenced, I am sure if the salary and transfer fee were not right he would not have gone to his "boyhood club".

[Barry Sanchez]

Every club on this planet is a stepping stone bar Barcelona and Real Madrid, the weather, lifestyle and language is the big seller, people need to wake up, the Premierleague and the New Forest is not all that when compared to La Rambla and the beaches of Spain.

[Jimmy_D]

Unless there's a buyout clause in there that could take the decision out of the club's hands, can't see him going anywhere until there's only two years left on his contract.

 

Until then, barring serious injury or the player going on strike, we're not going to be losing a great deal of value on him (especially as he's likely to keep improving).

[St Marco]

The chances aren't 'non-existant' are they? Cortese sold Chamberlain.

 

I think that was different to be honest. We were not in the PL, we didn't have the players we have now and the player wanted to go. When a player wants to go there isn't much you can do about it.

Shaw is going to be a quality player and big teams will always try to buy those kind of players. Eventually he will go as he will want to play in the CL. But I can't see it happening for another 5 years unless we get relegated.

[Bearsy]

Unless there's a buyout clause in there that could take the decision out of the club's hands, can't see him going anywhere until there's only two years left on his contract.

 

Until then, barring serious injury or the player going on strike, we're not going to be losing a great deal of value on him (especially as he's likely to keep improving).

 

yeah that bout sums it up for me. I reckon he'll only be moving this season if there is buyout clause.

 

I also reckon we'll see a lot more of mid-range clubs holding out against the top 5, cos of all the extra TV dollar they're getting. Any big club trying to buy a player from the prem is gonna get proper rinsed.

[Tokyo-Saint]

You just copied and pasted that straight out The Financial Times bear. Word for word!

[CB Fry]

I think that was different to be honest. We were not in the PL, we didn't have the players we have now and the player wanted to go. When a player wants to go there isn't much you can do about it.

Shaw is going to be a quality player and big teams will always try to buy those kind of players. Eventually he will go as he will want to play in the CL. But I can't see it happening for another 5 years unless we get relegated.

 

If he continues to develop at the rate he is there is no way he'll be here in five years. Try two, maximum.

[skintsaint]

If he continues to develop at the rate he is there is no way he'll be here in five years. Try two, maximum.

 

I think that depends on where the club is also.

[Sour Mash]

I think that was different to be honest. We were not in the PL, we didn't have the players we have now and the player wanted to go. When a player wants to go there isn't much you can do about it.

Shaw is going to be a quality player and big teams will always try to buy those kind of players. Eventually he will go as he will want to play in the CL. But I can't see it happening for another 5 years unless we get relegated.

The point I was replying to was that NC had said he wouldn't have sold Bale - well he sold Chamberlain, so either the Bale point isn't relevant or the Chamberlain point is? 5 years is a very long time - how many top draw young British left backs are out there? We'll get a ton of money for him, but he won't still be here in 5 years time.

[SuperMikey]

I think that depends on where the club is also.

 

If we fluke into Europe this season (unlikely, I know) he will stay. Luke'll leave eventually but not for a year or two at least.

[Batman]

Shaw will go sooner rather than later. When he does, it will be for big money (for a left back)

[Miltonaggro]

When he does leave it won't be to Spurs...

[whelk]

Wow heavy duty publication that. Article been up for 3 days and they have 4 comments. You lot are much more interested in the Chingford Gazette than the locals

[CB Fry]

I think that depends on where the club is also.

 

Not really. There is a level we can get to in our wildest dreams that the likes of Chelsea can beat easily.

[Tokyo-Saint]

Not really. There is a level we can get to in our wildest dreams that the likes of Chelsea can beat easily.

 

MLG to the forum please, MLG to the forum.

[buctootim]

Not really. There is a level we can get to in our wildest dreams that the likes of Chelsea can beat easily.

 

There are all kinds of wild levels to my dreams, none of which involve Chelsea (or Saints tbf)

[LJSaint]

I don't believe anything I read in the papers. Most the time they have no clue. I don't think Shaw is likely to go, we have a great team at the moment and are going places, he knows that and he knows he features in the future. He has only just put pen to paper too and had the chance to leave before that- but he didn't. Fingers crossed this is just paper dribble.

[tom fbo]

We've just placed Luke as the highest Englishman on our Wonderkids list - if he lives up to the hype he'll be worth a pretty penny

[Delboy Dave]

http://sulia.com/m/futbolbible/f/30b1acae-fc30-454d-9ad3-d1876d82d625/

 

Utd in for £25m