Cortese settles compensation case with Adkins

[Dig Dig]

Despite it working out fine for all concerned I still find the way he was sacked rather distasteful.

 

He deserved to be treated better than that.

 

Yep, no excuse for the way it was done. It is a cut throat business which justifies the means in some way but doesn't mean you have to execute in the manner he did.

[The9]

We've improved our points total at this stage last season, kept 4 clean sheets how long did that take last season?. And also improved our results year-on-year against WBA away, Sunderland home, Liverpool away, matched our result against WHU home and well we didn't play palace so it's hard to compare like-for-like. Not a single person anywhere seriously thinks we are in any danger of relegation. In fact pundits are tipping us for top-half and even dark horses for european places.

 

How can that not be viewed as progress?

 

I don't think we're in any danger of relegation, but then I didn't really by October last season either.

 

To be honest the vast disparity in the quality of opposition at this stage makes reliable comparisons difficult.

 

Based on league position so far and their performance against other teams, Sunderland and West Brom are worse than they were last season anyway so arguably we'd be expected to get better results even if we hadn't improved, and Norwich and West Ham seem much of a muchness. We're definitely more defensive and more successful at not conceding, but there's a cost in entertainment value and goals scored.

 

The Liverpool performance and result was very good, but so far that's a one-off.

[The9]

Despite it working out fine for all concerned I still find the way he was sacked rather distasteful.

 

He deserved to be treated better than that.

 

Yup. I still think Adkins taking the Reading job was a mistake when Sunderland and Stoke were obviously going to be forthcoming, so maybe it hasn't worked out for the best for him - but at least he's got to make up with Sharp...

[OldNick]

Okay, so you're happy to trample all over people in the name of progress. Presumably you were chuffed for Kenwyne jones when he got his big move to Sunderland after he went on strike. He was progressing his career wasn't he.

Perhaps the fans were not smart enough to realise that NA was out of his depth,wheras the chairman had enough foresight to replace him. Not many fans showed much sympathy about Kelvin etc being dropped to be replaced by better players,especially after being big parts in our progress.

[Turkish]

Perhaps the fans were not smart enough to realise that NA was out of his depth,wheras the chairman had enough foresight to replace him. Not many fans showed much sympathy about Kelvin etc being dropped to be replaced by better players,especially after being big parts in our progress.

 

Maybe he was and personally i started to wonder this a few games into the season, however the guy got us two promotions and we were 15th when he was fired, making the club millions on the way, he did eveything that was asked of him and then some. In many ways he was a victim of his own success. Had we done what was expected of us in the championship and consolidate the first season and push on the second then he might well have grown with us. It probably was the right decison but the way it was done and then to not even give him a word of thanks was a disgrace.

[Window Cleaner]

Perhaps the fans were not smart enough to realise that NA was out of his depth,wheras the chairman had enough foresight to replace him. Not many fans showed much sympathy about Kelvin etc being dropped to be replaced by better players,especially after being big parts in our progress.

 

Except for the 38 realists subscribed to this very forum. Adkins wasn't getting the job done at a sufficient level, probably because he's an NPC manager at best and his grasp of the game at the highest level is well...insufficient as of yet.

[OldNick]

I think its a real shame that it has taken this long to sort out an agreeable compensation package for Adkins. Do all clubs handle it this way or just Saints? For a fella that did such a cracking job for us, you'd think it would have been settled almost immediately and without question. Perhaps these contracts need to be written a little better to avoid any ambiguity.

every penny extra that went to NA means less to spend on our progress.yes you may think NA deserves a lot but for every NA there is 10 Alan Knill etc who look good but fail to really make it.Imo NA owes us big time and should not have asked for too much.he has been sets up for life, I doubt many other clubs would have let him spend and have the opportunity he had. It was a two way relationship that both won

[Window Cleaner]

Maybe he was and personally i started to wonder this a few games into the season, however the guy got us two promotions and we were 15th when he was fired, making the club millions on the way, he did eveything that was asked of him and then some. In many ways he was a victim of his own success. Had we done what was expected of us in the championship and consolidate the first season and push on the second then he might well have grown with us. It probably was the right decison but the way it was done and then to not even give him a word of thanks was a disgrace.

 

 

Far too much is made of successive promotions, he had half of a PL team and AOC in League 1 FFS, it just needed pointing in the right direction and it took care of itself. There were players in that side who know far more about football than NA ever will.

As for the NPC we got off to a blinder and stumbled over the line because we did not adapt our one dimensional game to the

necessity of the task. Anyone who saw us thrashed by Blackpool and conned by Reading could tell that our manager was tactically naif.

[OldNick]

Except for the 38 realists subscribed to this very forum. Adkins wasn't getting the job done at a sufficient level, probably because he's an NPC manager at best and his grasp of the game at the highest level is well...insufficient as of yet.

I think I was one of those, not sure where the 38 came from and on which thread.

[OldNick]

Maybe he was and personally i started to wonder this a few games into the season, however the guy got us two promotions and we were 15th when he was fired, making the club millions on the way, he did eveything that was asked of him and then some. In many ways he was a victim of his own success. Had we done what was expected of us in the championship and consolidate the first season and push on the second then he might well have grown with us. It probably was the right decison but the way it was done and then to not even give him a word of thanks was a disgrace.

when I was growing up I used to watch other teams lift the 1st division trophy and thought I would never do so in my lifetime. Whilst it is now the Championship trophy, it has Readings name on it not ours as it should have. NA had every chance to win the both leagues and failed both times, was the pressure too much? He did well, but with the resources compared to Brightons and Readings he was a failure

[Window Cleaner]

I think I was one of those, not sure where the 38 came from and on which thread.

 

can't be assed to find it, there was a poll atop a 150 page (or so )thread where weepings and wailings were much in evidence

but there were 38 ayes and about 500 nays to Adkins sacking, you were indeed an aye, as was I, Lard, GM but I can't remember the rest.

[whelk]

I always struggle to remember posters names and opinions but you two are the 2 biggest cvnts I have seen on here

[OldNick]

I always struggle to remember posters names and opinions but you two are the 2 biggest cvnts I have seen on here

Your debating skills are probably the best I have come across. Not everybody lapped up all that NA did. I was pleased what he achieved but he still didn't do what he should have with the resources he had at his disposal. NA always will have legend status with fans but he walked away with a fantastic reputation and a massive payoff what more do you want, a statue, the ground named after him?

[View From The Top]

can't be assed to find it, there was a poll atop a 150 page (or so )thread where weepings and wailings were much in evidence

but there were 38 ayes and about 500 nays to Adkins sacking, you were indeed an aye, as was I, Lard, GM but I can't remember the rest.

 

I've no interest in the rights/wrongs of the decision to replace NA but the way it was done was appalling and callous.

 

He was and is a good man who had earned the right to a dignified end.

[JRM]

I've no interest in the rights/wrongs of the decision to replace NA but the way it was done was appalling and callous.

 

He was and is a good man who had earned the right to a dignified end.

 

exactly, the immediate attempt to wipe him from history without even a thanks.

 

no mention in the club programme and media were banned from speaking to fans at Everton game on club premises.

 

I saw someone in ground with a 'thanks Nigel' card have in confiscated by a steward, how pathetic behaviour by the club.

[OldNick]

I've no interest in the rights/wrongs of the decision to replace NA but the way it was done was appalling and callous.

 

He was and is a good man who had earned the right to a dignified end.

i wholeheartedly agree with that. Why that came to pass I cannot explain, unless NC knew he was taking us to a tribunal

[svetigpung]

What does a young successful ENGLISH manager have to do nowdays?

FFS he was probably the most promising forward thinking boss in the PL...and gets fired.

Get back down to the Championship where you belong matey. Your not good enough for the PL. Absolute bull****zer!

Lust leave it to Rednapp, Hughes, FatSam and Bruce. Yeah they are the future for the english game!

 

Now, firmly behind MP. But the future of the english game is ******* bleak.

 

So yep, the sacking was wrong. It was the timng that stunk. The old, your good but your not european that got him in the end!

[Batman]

What does a young successful ENGLISH manager have to do nowdays?

FFS he was probably the most promising forward thinking boss in the PL...and gets fired.

Get back down to the Championship where you belong matey. Your not good enough for the PL. Absolute bull****zer!

Lust leave it to Rednapp, Hughes, FatSam and Bruce. Yeah they are the future for the english game!

 

Now, firmly behind MP. But the future of the english game is ******* bleak.

 

So yep, the sacking was wrong. It was the timng that stunk. The old, your good but your not european that got him in the end!

 

He really wasn't the most forward thinking manager in the prem

 

Why the abuse to Bruce. Hull play decent football and are doing well, got promoted with a squad no where as good as ours was

[Turkish]

He really wasn't the most forward thinking manager in the prem

 

Why the abuse to Bruce. Hull play decent football and are doing well, got promoted with a squad no where as good as ours was

 

He's another labelled with the 'terrible manager' tag on here because people don't like him and he never took Birmingham Wigan or Sunderland into the champions league.

[Chez]

every penny extra that went to NA means less to spend on our progress.yes you may think NA deserves a lot but for every NA there is 10 Alan Knill etc who look good but fail to really make it. Imo NA owes us big time and should not have asked for too much.he has been sets up for life, I doubt many other clubs would have let him spend and have the opportunity he had. It was a two way relationship that both won

 

I don't think he `deserves a lot', I think he deserves what he is contractually obliged to. If in his contract he is entitled to all the wages to the end of his contract if sacked, then he should get that, paid in full, immediately, without the need for a lawyer to get involved. I don't know what was in the contract, but the fact a lawyer did get involved suggests Cortese didn't pay up immediately.

 

He owes us nothing. You seem to have a very short memory. We were in the **** when we sacked Pardew. Adkins didn't apply for the job, he was head hunted by us. SFC wanted and needed him. SFC benefited a great deal from his hard work, skill and decisions. Yes he won too, but to suggest he should run along and take whatever Cortese chooses because he got to play with the big boys is wrong. We are playing with the big boys because of him.

 

I wasn't actually Adkins biggest fan. I was never 100% convinced, but in a results driven business he got the job done. Getting that second promotion was unbelievable. I have to laugh at people moaning that he nearly ****ed it up. Results did falter a bit, but it was him that got us into that position in the first place, so it was for him to lose - which he didn't.

[Turkish]

I don't think he `deserves a lot', I think he deserves what he is contractually obliged to. If in his contract he is entitled to all the wages to the end of his contract if sacked, then he should get that, paid in full, immediately, without the need for a lawyer to get involved. I don't know what was in the contract, but the fact a lawyer did get involved suggests Cortese didn't pay up immediately.

 

He owes us nothing. You seem to have a very short memory. We were in the **** when we sacked Pardew. Adkins didn't apply for the job, he was head hunted by us. SFC wanted and needed him. SFC benefited a great deal from his hard work, skill and decisions. Yes he won too, but to suggest he should run along and take whatever Cortese chooses because he got to play with the big boys is wrong. We are playing with the big boys because of him.

 

I wasn't actually Adkins biggest fan. I was never 100% convinced, but in a results driven business he got the job done. Getting that second promotion was unbelievable. I have to laugh at people moaning that he nearly ****ed it up. Results did falter a bit, but it was him that got us into that position in the first place, so it was for him to lose - which he didn't.

 

Very, very well said. Pretty much sums up my views on everything perfectly.

[Chez]

when I was growing up I used to watch other teams lift the 1st division trophy and thought I would never do so in my lifetime. Whilst it is now the Championship trophy, it has Readings name on it not ours as it should have. NA had every chance to win the both leagues and failed both times, was the pressure too much? He did well, but with the resources compared to Brightons and Readings he was a failure

 

how about compared to West Ham's?

[Bearsy]

I don't think he `deserves a lot', I think he deserves what he is contractually obliged to. If in his contract he is entitled to all the wages to the end of his contract if sacked, then he should get that, paid in full, immediately, without the need for a lawyer to get involved. I don't know what was in the contract, but the fact a lawyer did get involved suggests Cortese didn't pay up immediately.

 

We was still paying Adkins wages in accordance with his contract, even after he left. I spose it's like putting someone on gardening leave. NC would be like, nah bro you cant accept new job at Reading unless you agree reduced figure re: determination of ur contract.

[Wes Tender]

when I was growing up I used to watch other teams lift the 1st division trophy and thought I would never do so in my lifetime. Whilst it is now the Championship trophy, it has Readings name on it not ours as it should have. NA had every chance to win the both leagues and failed both times, was the pressure too much? He did well, but with the resources compared to Brightons and Readings he was a failure

 

We could only manage to come second in the first division in 83/84 too. That's typical of bloody Saints; one dismal failure after another.

[Chez]

We was still paying Adkins wages in accordance with his contract, even after he left. I spose it's like putting someone on gardening leave. NC would be like, nah bro you cant accept new job at Reading unless you agree reduced figure re: determination of ur contract.

 

You are right, he effectively put him on gardening leave. Whether that is morally or legally sound I don't know. It all goes back to the managers contract. If sacked he should get what the contract says.

[Frank's cousin]

What does a young successful ENGLISH manager have to do nowdays?

FFS he was probably the most promising forward thinking boss in the PL...and gets fired.

Get back down to the Championship where you belong matey. Your not good enough for the PL. Absolute bull****zer!

Lust leave it to Rednapp, Hughes, FatSam and Bruce. Yeah they are the future for the english game!

 

Now, firmly behind MP. But the future of the english game is ******* bleak.

 

So yep, the sacking was wrong. It was the timng that stunk. The old, your good but your not european that got him in the end!

 

... understand your POV on young english talent etc... fair point. But if we have learnt one thing about NC, is that he seems true to his word. EVERY club seems to have a 'five year plan' - yet 99% never disclose it or live up to it. NC put one in place and delivered. The 'project' seems to have been set up in phases and Adkins was recruited to lead part of it - delivered it, even early and we moved to the next phase. No room for sentiment. Lets be honest, most are very defensive because he was a decent man - honest, grafting, wanting to play the game in the 'right' way, and had an enthusiasm that appealled to fans - we had a great atmosphere and culture created by his infectious enthusiasm... and rightly it seemed he 'deserved' a chance to learn and grow with us. Had he we consolidated in the NPC and then progressed, would he still be here? I am not so sure. NC likes to stick to his plan and so far the approach is working. I dont think NC believes its the clubs job to wait for manager experience and tactical nous to catch up with his ambition. The surprise to me was that MP was not that experienced either, apart from his La Liga time at Espanyol - but he has compromised the more gung-ho atacking to shore up the defence...

 

Had Nige been a miserable, antagonistic fecker, who we grudingly admired for the success, but could not stand, would we be so defensive?

 

I know some will spill out the stats on NA v MP last season and the 'vast' improvement on one place... but it would have taken a period of adjustment and for me, how this season pans out will be a better comparitor, even with the new additions, its about progress for the club, not the personalities who deliver it.

 

As to how it was done? well from what we know never looked good. Least it was not by text!

 

Young English coaches? Don't know the answer. Opportunities are limited and will be whilst the perception of the English traditional game is 'old fashioned' pace and power, v a more techically proficient 'european' approach....

[Frank's cousin]

You are right, he effectively put him on gardening leave. Whether that is morally or legally sound I don't know. It all goes back to the managers contract. If sacked he should get what the contract says.

 

Well yes and No, as if there was no room for negotiation on sacking, it would not have been a negotiated settlement - If Adkins had resigned, he would not have owed us money to buy himself out of his contract, so suspect that by accepting a new job, it opened the door for an agreement to be negotiated. Seems all pretty standard to me.

[Chez]

Well yes and No' date=' as if there was no room for negotiation on sacking, it would not have been a negotiated settlement - If Adkins had resigned, he would not have owed us money to buy himself out of his contract, so suspect that by accepting a new job, it opened the door for an agreement to be negotiated. Seems all pretty standard to me.[/quote']

Aye? The more I read your post the more my head hurts.

[stug76]

So we don't know the exact circumstances of Adkins leaving the club, we don't know any of the subsequent correspondence between him and the club since him leaving and we can't be certain what this payout represents? Is it time to get angry yet?

[svetigpung]

Is it time to get angry yet?

 

No , time is a good healer.

[saint lard]

This is a very interesting and enlightening.

and even refreshing,dare I say.

Now onto Adkins.......don't worry I won't take much of your time,I stated my views from day one....he was always short term,never long term,so it was never going to be a suprise when he went.

it was always going to end the way it did,which is a positive,alot of the fans were dismayed when he went which showed he was doing well....in the short term.......but if you had a little foresight you knew he was not going to last long after he fulfilled he remit.

he did the minimum asked of him...with what he had at his disposal.....yet using the maximum of his ability,which was fine for Lge 1 and the Championship....his lack of tactical knowledge was shown in his interviews,both spoken and written......by having to use rediculous analogys to deflect that fact.

 

good luck for the future Mr Adkins,the nearly man.

[Victor]

Answer the question, do you condone it or so you think it was acceptable for the club to treat a popular and successful employee like that?

 

Have you any idea what 'condone' means?

 

Sorry, silly question, you obviously haven't a clue.

[Turkish]

Have you any idea what 'condone' means?

 

Sorry, silly question, you obviously haven't a clue.

 

it was actually a typo, i meant to put unacceptable instead of acceptable.

 

thanks for the patronising though you haughty c*ck.

 

Care you answer the question?

[svetigpung]

This is a very interesting and enlightening.

and even refreshing,dare I say.

Now onto Adkins.......don't worry I won't take much of your time,I stated my views from day one....he was always short term,never long term,so it was never going to be a suprise when he went.

it was always going to end the way it did,which is a positive,alot of the fans were dismayed when he went which showed he was doing well....in the short term.......but if you had a little foresight you knew he was not going to last long after he fulfilled he remit.

he did the minimum asked of him...with what he had at his disposal.....yet using the maximum of his ability,which was fine for Lge 1 and the Championship....his lack of tactical knowledge was shown in his interviews,both spoken and written......by having to use rediculous analogys to deflect that fact.

 

good luck for the future Mr Adkins,the nearly man.

 

How the hell will we ever know if the guy is not given a chance. Maybe your right. Maybe your completely wrong.

Who the **** is a long term manager in the PL? Who lasts long nowdays? Is every manager in a short term position then? Otherwise name them!!!

Is Pochettino long term IYO?.

 

Nearly everyone else in football was surprised , except StLard. hmmm.

 

Dismissing Adkins because of his aftermatch interviews can not be serious. How many managers ever say anything appropriate in these moments.

Often its just a moan at the officials; something adkins did not lower himself towards; and full credit to the guy.