Lets B Avenue Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Fat Sam didn't have one of the highest transfer budgets in Europe when he was at Bolton, so we aren't comparing like for like. Is he **** ging you or something, as you seem to have had an unhealthy crush on him for the past few seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 His West Ham team are dirty, dive and cheat more than most others, and are continually in the ref's ear. He has spent a lot of money for them to be as crap as they are. They've got a job to string 2 passes together. I really think they'll go down this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Is he **** ging you or something, as you seem to have had an unhealthy crush on him for the past few seasons? I don't like the bloke, but I think he's been very successful at some smaller clubs. Credit where it's due, that's all. How many other British managers have been as consistently successful with clubs of that size in the last 20 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 (edited) I don't like the bloke, but I think he's been very successful at some smaller clubs. Credit where it's due, that's all. How many other British managers have been as consistently successful with clubs of that size in the last 20 years? They may not have spent the transfer fees of many clubs in the league at the time but their Wage budget was more then ample. From memory Bolton Wanderers have an extremely large amount of Debt based on that policy, all leveraged against future TV Money. Wonder where we have heard that before. I lived with a Bolton fan for one of the season during their golden era (03/04, when they got to the league cup final) and he could see the failings in their style of play but they were entertained thanks to the contributions of players like Jay Jay Okocha and Djorkaeff. Players like that are a rare vintage and he did get the best out of them. I find fat Sam a truly baffling paradox. In so many ways he was a real innovator, and a thoroughly modern coach. Taking to sports science, sports psychology and placing real emphasis on the importance of recovery after a game, not just a quick warm down and a couple of post-game pints. In that respect he was brilliantly forward thinking, and did a great job in getting the most out of his players, and in some cases prolonged the careers of some players that had looked to be on the decline. That said, in terms of on the pitch, my word is he old hat. Horrible, cynical and truly uninspiring. Fair play to him it works, and yeah it will grind out points for a while. But it is truly horrid to watch. Imagine watching that for 40+ games a season. He is also an absolute knobber. Sadly, he is too similar to too many English coaches, that have a win by any means mentality. It's no wonder there are a lack of technically minded English players, when this is how we are taught to play. Granted, Fat Sam isn't really to blame for this, as players are more the finished article by the time they reach him, he hardly has a great track record of bringing kids through. I guess it's the old debate of whether you see it as sport or art(/entertainment). Personally, for me, the sooner the Fat Sams and Tony Pulis' of the game have died out, the better. As written by Kelvin's Right Glove Agreed entirely with that. I respect entirely what Sam Allardyce has achieved as a manager but the thought of him at Saints is extremely uninspiring and contrary to many of the positive things that are in place here. Edited 30 September, 2013 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 They may not have spent the transfer fees of many clubs in the league at the time but their Wage budget was more then ample. From memory Bolton Wanderers have an extremely large amount of Debt based on that policy, all leveraged against future TV Money. Wonder where we have heard that before. I lived with a Bolton fan for one of the season during their golden era (03/04, when they got to the league cup final) and he could see the failings in their style of play but they were entertained thanks to the contributions of players like Jay Jay Okocha and Djorkaeff. Players like that are a rare vintage and he did get the best out of them. Agree with this. They also have a pretty hefty mortgage on the Reebok I seem to recall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Agree with this. They also have a pretty hefty mortgage on the Reebok I seem to recall. Yep. Phil Gartside was once trying to campaign for the removal of relegation from the Premier League (albeit an enclosed two tier setup), he wasn't doing it for the good of the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuncanRG Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Just to play devil's advocate, does it say quite a lot about the squads he built at both clubs that they were both relegated? And without Carroll they are likely to be in a relegation battle again this season Not really. Post-Allardyce problems are always motivation, organisation and tactics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Last year's eighth placed team: Steve Clarke's seminal West Bromwich Albion team. Football gods from one to eleven. Breathtaking to watch they were. Wouldn't have been much without Lukaku though and he was just on loan. West Brom are the PLs loan champions, always manage to get good players for nowt apart from the odd sky high wage packet that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 (edited) Wouldn't have been much without Lukaku though and he was just on loan. West Brom are the PLs loan champions, always manage to get good players for nowt apart from the odd sky high wage packet that is. Basically agreeing with me then. Not a massive leap forward in quality in the top eight now compared to 2004. Laughable people thing everything is so much better now. It isn't. Just wages have gone up is all. Edited 30 September, 2013 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Just to play devil's advocate, does it say quite a lot about the squads he built at both clubs that they were both relegated? And without Carroll they are likely to be in a relegation battle again this season How on earth could he have "built a squad" at Newcastle in the few months he was there? He did okay there but remember Toon fans booed Bobby Robson and walked out on their lap of honour when they "only" finished fifth in the Prem. They had plenty of ideas above their station then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Basically agreeing with me then. Not a massive leap forward in quality in the top eight now compared to 2004. Laughable people thing everything is so much better now. It isn't. Just wages have gone up is all. Au contraire, in 2003/4 Charlton were above Bolton and Fulham were one place back, Pompey were in the PL, so were Middlesborough and Wolves. Arsenal won the title with their skinflint policy. In fact 9 of the sides that were in the PL in 2003/4 have now fallen by the wayside presumably they could no longer assemble the budgets needed to compete at the highest level which is basically what happened to Saints in 2004/5. Do you think we would be riding so high if Markus's millions hadn't allowed us to build a 70 million £ side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Au contraire, in 2003/4 Charlton were above Bolton and Fulham were one place back, Pompey were in the PL, so were Middlesborough and Wolves. Arsenal won the title with their skinflint policy. In fact 9 of the sides that were in the PL in 2003/4 have now fallen by the wayside presumably they could no longer assemble the budgets needed to compete at the highest level which is basically what happened to Saints in 2004/5. Do you think we would be riding so high if Markus's millions hadn't allowed us to build a 70 million £ side? And in 2013 WBA finished 8th, Swansea finished top half. Where were they in 2004? As for your hilarious dismissal of Arsenal winning the league, this would be the skin flint policy which saw them win the league with Dennis Berkamp, Tierry Henry, Patrick Viera, Freddie lujenburg, Robert Pires, Sol Campbell and Ashley Cole all in their prime. I wish we had that skin flint policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Yep. Phil Gartside was once trying to campaign for the removal of relegation from the Premier League (albeit an enclosed two tier setup), he wasn't doing it for the good of the competition. I wonder what his feelings are on that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Au contraire, in 2003/4 Charlton were above Bolton and Fulham were one place back, Pompey were in the PL, so were Middlesborough and Wolves. Arsenal won the title with their skinflint policy. In fact 9 of the sides that were in the PL in 2003/4 have now fallen by the wayside presumably they could no longer assemble the budgets needed to compete at the highest level which is basically what happened to Saints in 2004/5. Do you think we would be riding so high if Markus's millions hadn't allowed us to build a 70 million £ side? What are you talking about apart from again equating money spent with quality of team? Whoever wins the title this season (in this appartent new golden age of premium quality mega-football) will not be anywhere near as good as Arsenals invinsibles side from 2003/4. But yeah, the clubs all spend more money these days so it's loads better. Especially as we have replaced the dross like Wolves and Middleborough with the new age of ubergiant super clubs like Cardiff, Swansea, Hull City and Norwich. Truly a golden age in a league greater than it has ever been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 What are you talking about apart from again equating money spent with quality of team? Whoever wins the title this season (in this appartent new golden age of premium quality mega-football) will not be anywhere near as good as Arsenals invinsibles side from 2003/4. But yeah, the clubs all spend more money these days so it's loads better. Especially as we have replaced the dross like Wolves and Middleborough with the new age of ubergiant super clubs like Cardiff, Swansea, Hull City and Norwich. Truly a golden age in a league greater than it has ever been. I do wonder if teams are actually spending more in real terms. That may not be the correct way to term it - what I mean is yes, transfer fees & wages have increased, but so have ticket prices, sponsorship deals & of course the main one, TV deals. I wonder if Saints spending £12m now is actually much higher a % of the clubs turnover/budget etc than the £4m spent on Delap in 2001. I suspect that yes, it is of course more - but not a great deal so. I think basically, all the figures in Football are just now inflated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 I don't like the bloke, but I think he's been very successful at some smaller clubs. Credit where it's due, that's all. How many other British managers have been as consistently successful with clubs of that size in the last 20 years? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkshiresaint Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Whether he is a good manager or a bad one has no meaning. He is a knob. End of chat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Saw his interview on the tv and he was moaning about a soft pen. What a surprisethat he didn't moan about Nolans 2footed tackle,especially after the fuss he made re Morgans less dangerous one Are you reading my Facebook updates? I said exactly this on watching MotD on Saturday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 30 September, 2013 Author Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Are you reading my Facebook updates? I said exactly this on watching MotD on Saturday night. Lol, Facebook is so yesterday. No we obviously have the same wonderful footballing brain.if I knew you were so forward thinking I would read your stuff on FB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 (edited) I see the terrible manager is being lauded on MOTD for his 'brilliant' tactics in their 3-0 away win at spurs today. Not one goal from a long ball either. Funny that from a team that just hits It long and hopes. Edited 6 October, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 Yeh 10 men behind the ball and counter attack. Total genius no ones ever thought of that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 I see the terrible manager is being lauded on MOTD for his 'brilliant' tactics in their 3-0 away win at spurs today. Not one goal from a long ball either. Funny that from a team that just hits It long and hopes. One lucky result. Blah blah blah. He's still a c*nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 6 October, 2013 Share Posted 6 October, 2013 One lucky result. Blah blah blah. He's still a c*nt. So if we'd just won 3-0 away at spurs and scored those goals I'm sure you'd say that was just a lucky result too, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted 7 October, 2013 Share Posted 7 October, 2013 One lucky result. Blah blah blah. He's still a c*nt. The penetrating acuity of your argument is astounding. You should be proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 7 October, 2013 Share Posted 7 October, 2013 Some days all the lucky rebounds in the penalty area go your way. Having said that WH clearly wanted it more than Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 7 October, 2013 Share Posted 7 October, 2013 Freak result every team usually gets one a season ie Portsmouth 3 Rochdale 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 7 October, 2013 Share Posted 7 October, 2013 Yeh 10 men behind the ball and counter attack. Total genius no ones ever thought of that before. The bitterness on here is hilarious, win 3-0 away at a top 6 side and score 3 good goals and still they cant bring themselves to give the team and manager who are supposedly so terrible a bit of praise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 7 October, 2013 Share Posted 7 October, 2013 The bitterness on here is hilarious, win 3-0 away at a top 6 side and score 3 good goals and still they cant bring themselves to give the team and manager who are supposedly so terrible a bit of praise. West Ham are a difficult side to beat, Sam's made them that way and to me Spurs look a bit lightweight in the middle so really the result is not a surprise. On the subject of Spurs that Paulinho looks like a total waste of money and Lamela..well not the miracle worker he was made out to be really, a non event when faced with hard men like Demel , Diamé and Noble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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