OldNick Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 Saw his interview on the tv and he was moaning about a soft pen. What a surprisethat he didn't moan about Nolans 2footed tackle,especially after the fuss he made re Morgans less dangerous one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 My thoughts as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 He had a point about the penalty decisions though to be fair. The one given against them was very soft and would not be given 9 times out of 10, and the handball at the other end was so obvious and really should have been a pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 Joey O'Brien though wasn't it on the pen West Ham conceded. Chances are he'd already ****ed the referee off. One up other end was a handball for definite though but less so than our one at Norwich. As for the lack of comment regarding the Nolan tackle - no surprise there. The fat one is under pressure and soon the Hammers faithful will turn against him and he knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/allardyce-i-should-be-manager-of-real-madrid-not-blackburn-2082454.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 Another one this forum is obsessed by and have convinced themselves, despite his impressive record, is a terrible manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 Another one this forum is obsessed by and have convinced themselves, despite his impressive record, is a terrible manager. Would you have him here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 Would you have him here? Not in a million years, terrible manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulrich van Gobbel Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/allardyce-i-should-be-manager-of-real-madrid-not-blackburn-2082454.html I had to double check that this article wasn't a spoof after I read his quote about Real Madrid and Inter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 Would you have him here? No, because I don't like the way he sets his teams out to play. But He took Bolton into Europe and every club he's managed in the premier league he's turned into solid midtable sides. How has it panned out for Blackburn since they fired him? . To say he is a terrible manager is bullsh*t, he's a good, effective manager, not pretty but doesn't pretend he is. As a bloke he's an idiot though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 Not in a million years, terrible manager. Simply not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 He's got a massive ugly head and manages West Ham - what's not to like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 just seen the highlights on goals on sunday, the ref had a shocker no way on earth was that a penalty for Hull and West Ham should have had one, easily Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 It was interesting to watch the match interviews of both him and Hollow Way, who are two peas out of the same pod in many ways. Big Fat Sam was apoplectic with rage at the injustice of it all, whereas Hollow Way's body language was fascinating, rubbing his face, smooting non-existent hair, etc. Both are under pressure early on in the season and both love a really good moan about how hard done by their teams have been and how they are unfairly treated by the referees. BFS's players are probably coached by him into trying to obtain any advantage they can by moaning at the refs, falling over easily to gain free kicks, time-wasting, etc. Hollow Ways players themselves are not as bad as West Ham's in that regard, although Chamakh’s dive was worthy of the utmost derision. Hollow Way should get him to spend time on the training ground perfecting his technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 (edited) to be fair to holloway, he agreed chamakh dived. and said he was very annoyed remember when Rodriguez blatently dived at villa park and adkins refused to acknowledge as such. Edited 29 September, 2013 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 No, because I don't like the way he sets his teams out to play. But He took Bolton into Europe and every club he's managed in the premier league he's turned into solid midtable sides. How has it panned out for Blackburn since they fired him? . To say he is a terrible manager is bullsh*t, he's a good, effective manager, not pretty but doesn't pretend he is. As a bloke he's an idiot though. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintant Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 He also reeled off a list of their previous fixtures and had the audacity to claim they should have beaten us because of the late chance missed by Collins. He conveniently ignored the fact that Osvaldo should have scored, we hit the post and their keeper was voted man-of-the match for a string of excellent saves that got them an undeserved point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 He also reeled off a list of their previous fixtures and had the audacity to claim they should have beaten us because of the late chance missed by Collins. He conveniently ignored the fact that Osvaldo should have scored, we hit the post and their keeper was voted man-of-the match for a string of excellent saves that got them an undeserved point. But we didn't score and they missed a later sitter, so arguably they Should have won based on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 I find fat Sam a truly baffling paradox. In so many ways he was a real innovator, and a thoroughly modern coach. Taking to sports science, sports psychology and placing real emphasis on the importance of recovery after a game, not just a quick warm down and a couple of post-game pints. In that respect he was brilliantly forward thinking, and did a great job in getting the most out of his players, and in some cases prolonged the careers of some players that had looked to be on the decline. That said, in terms of on the pitch, my word is he old hat. Horrible, cynical and truly uninspiring. Fair play to him it works, and yeah it will grind out points for a while. But it is truly horrid to watch. Imagine watching that for 40+ games a season. He is also an absolute knobber. Sadly, he is too similar to too many English coaches, that have a win by any means mentality. It's no wonder there are a lack of technically minded English players, when this is how we are taught to play. Granted, Fat Sam isn't really to blame for this, as players are more the finished article by the time they reach him, he hardly has a great track record of bringing kids through. I guess it's the old debate of whether you see it as sport or art(/entertainment). Personally, for me, the sooner the Fat Sams and Tony Pulis' of the game have died out, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 Saw his interview on the tv and he was moaning about a soft pen. What a surprise that he didn't moan about Nolans 2footed tackle,especially after the fuss he made re Morgans less dangerous one ....it's Sam, what did you expect? With that old-fashioned " northern charm " .......he complains more than Ferguson used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 I find fat Sam a truly baffling paradox. In so many ways he was a real innovator, and a thoroughly modern coach. Taking to sports science, sports psychology and placing real emphasis on the importance of recovery after a game, not just a quick warm down and a couple of post-game pints. In that respect he was brilliantly forward thinking, and did a great job in getting the most out of his players, and in some cases prolonged the careers of some players that had looked to be on the decline. That said, in terms of on the pitch, my word is he old hat. Horrible, cynical and truly uninspiring. Fair play to him it works, and yeah it will grind out points for a while. But it is truly horrid to watch. Imagine watching that for 40+ games a season. He is also an absolute knobber. Sadly, he is too similar to too many English coaches, that have a win by any means mentality. It's no wonder there are a lack of technically minded English players, when this is how we are taught to play. Granted, Fat Sam isn't really to blame for this, as players are more the finished article by the time they reach him, he hardly has a great track record of bringing kids through. I guess it's the old debate of whether you see it as sport or art(/entertainment). Personally, for me, the sooner the Fat Sams and Tony Pulis' of the game have died out, the better. This. Prehistoric Tatics that don't belong in the modern game and will win nothing. Fat dinosoar of a manager, spoiling niggling tatics which as a result of clowns like him is half the reason English football is light years behind the rest of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 Any manager who repeatedly signs Kevin Nolan is ant-football. The way he niggles, complains to the ref etc. is within the laws, but not the spirit in my opinion. For example, the way Nolan stands in front of the keeper, blocking him off - and gets away with it is shocking. Personally I've enjoyed playing BFS for the last three years, I think he is about as deluded as some of the WHU fanbase. Sent from my RM-821_eu_euro1_276 using Board Express Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 He's average and does a job for teams, if he was any good he would have got a better job. He plays sh*t football and that only gets you so far. Hence why he gets sacked because he turns out the same old every year and gets similar results with terrible entertainment and no player development. Hence why a team like Everton will employ someone like Martinez before they will employ someone like Allardyce, despite Allardyce probably having a better record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 But we didn't score and they missed a later sitter, so arguably they Should have won based on that. Key word there. Back to BFS, I have to agree that WHU were robbed by two appalling penalty decisions. Sad isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 (edited) Any manager who repeatedly signs Kevin Nolan is ant-football. The way he niggles, complains to the ref etc. is within the laws, but not the spirit in my opinion. For example, the way Nolan stands in front of the keeper, blocking him off - and gets away with it is shocking. Personally I've enjoyed playing BFS for the last three years, I think he is about as deluded as some of the WHU fanbase. Sent from my RM-821_eu_euro1_276 using Board Express N/t Edited 29 September, 2013 by Turkish Quoted wrong person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 He's average and does a job for teams, if he was any good he would have got a better job. He plays sh*t football and that only gets you so far. Hence why he gets sacked because he turns out the same old every year and gets similar results with terrible entertainment and no player development. Hence why a team like Everton will employ someone like Martinez before they will employ someone like Allardyce, despite Allardyce probably having a better record. Was taking Bolton to 5th in the table and into Europe average? What would your view of MP be if he were to do that for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 He's average and does a job for teams, if he was any good he would have got a better job. He plays sh*t football and that only gets you so far. Hence why he gets sacked because he turns out the same old every year and gets similar results with terrible entertainment and no player development. Hence why a team like Everton will employ someone like Martinez before they will employ someone like Allardyce, despite Allardyce probably having a better record. He's not average at all, he's been very effective at getting lower ranked sides amongst the higher placings in the PL. He may play a thoroughly ugly brand of football but, especially with what he did at Bolton, he was very good at his job. A club the size of West Ham is probably the limit of his managerial ability as better sides really don't/shouldn't be playing that way. But his managerial record is actually very good indeed, even if watching his sides hasn't been at all pleasing on the eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 I remember when West Ham were the model for classy football with a string of young talent coming through, now they are the dinosaurs of the league and ugly with it, what went wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 He's the right man to keep them up until they move to the Olympic Stadium then he'll be replaced by someone more in tune with the kind of football their supporters want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 He's the right man to keep them up until they move to the Olympic Stadium then he'll be replaced by someone more in tune with the kind of football their supporters want. Sure they'd be happy to keep him if he's getting points, although that way of playing can only get you so far. He'll stay til they clear the debt IMO, keep them up and the prem money coming in. They're still paying Sheffield Utd for the Tevez fiasco! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 Sure they'd be happy to keep him if he's getting points, although that way of playing can only get you so far. He'll stay til they clear the debt IMO, keep them up and the prem money coming in. They're still paying Sheffield Utd for the Tevez fiasco! How far can that way of playing get you? If we finished 5th and got into Europe and a cup final like he did at Bolton what would be your view on the manager that got us there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 Sure they'd be happy to keep him if he's getting points, although that way of playing can only get you so far. He'll stay til they clear the debt IMO, keep them up and the prem money coming in. They're still paying Sheffield Utd for the Tevez fiasco! Could be. Safety first. Football second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelvinsRightGlove Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 I remember when West Ham were the model for classy football with a string of young talent coming through, now they are the dinosaurs of the league and ugly with it, what went wrong? They appointed Sam, simple. He'll keep them out of danger, most likely (though they do look blunt up top at the moment without Carroll I think, be interesting to see how that pans out). But that will be the limit to it. He did well at Bolton, but let's not overstate it. He was far from that good at Newcastle, Blackburn or even West Ham so far. People question our transfers, here is a club that spunked £15m on the perma-injured Carroll and have no adequate back-up, and now are scrambling around to bring back a player they obviously didn't feel was good enough in the first place (C Cole). Imagine the uproar if that was the situation down at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Saint Posted 29 September, 2013 Share Posted 29 September, 2013 How far can that way of playing get you? If we finished 5th and got into Europe and a cup final like he did at Bolton what would be your view on the manager that got us there? Moot point but did Bolton ever finish as high as 5th? Thought it was around 7th/8th in 03/04? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 No, because I don't like the way he sets his teams out to play. But He took Bolton into Europe and every club he's managed in the premier league he's turned into solid midtable sides. How has it panned out for Blackburn since they fired him? . To say he is a terrible manager is bullsh*t, he's a good, effective manager, not pretty but doesn't pretend he is. As a bloke he's an idiot though. Agree... Up to a point.. He's an effective manager as opposed to a good manager in my mind. It was utterly ridiculous for him to be touted as a possible England manager. Would hate to have him here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Moot point but did Bolton ever finish as high as 5th? Thought it was around 7th/8th in 03/04? 6th as their best. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bolton_Wanderers_F.C._seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 6th as their best. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bolton_Wanderers_F.C._seasons 8th, 6th, 8th, 7th. Cup final. Couple of Euro campaigns. Pochettino needs to do significantly better than this of course, as that is the record of a "terrible manager". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 to be fair to holloway, he agreed chamakh dived. and said he was very annoyed remember when Rodriguez blatently dived at villa park and adkins refused to acknowledge as such. Yeah, I'm not a great fan of Holloway but I was pleasantly surprised by that. None of the 'we'll have to look at it again bollix' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Moot point but did Bolton ever finish as high as 5th? Thought it was around 7th/8th in 03/04? 6th, not 5th apologies. Top 8 for 4 consecutive seasons. More than we've ever done in the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 (edited) Agree... Up to a point.. He's an effective manager as opposed to a good manager in my mind. It was utterly ridiculous for him to be touted as a possible England manager. Would hate to have him here... I wouldn't want him here either but you can't argue with his record. He's not an international manager or one for a big but because he's a bit of a knob and people don't like the way his teams play he's dismissed as a terrible manager. Do you really think he'd have had the success he had at Bolton by trying to get limited players and a limited budget play sparkling champagne football? Strachan is viewed as a hero by some here and achieved far less. We hardly played sparkling football under him, it was all about work rate, tempo and fitness. Edited 30 September, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 8th, 6th, 8th, 7th. Cup final. Couple of Euro campaigns. Pochettino needs to do significantly better than this of course, as that is the record of a "terrible manager". Game has moved on since then, wouldn't get out of the NPC now with the group of players that Bolton had then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 They appointed Sam, simple. He'll keep them out of danger, most likely (though they do look blunt up top at the moment without Carroll I think, be interesting to see how that pans out). But that will be the limit to it. He did well at Bolton, but let's not overstate it. He was far from that good at Newcastle, Blackburn or even West Ham so far. People question our transfers, here is a club that spunked £15m on the perma-injured Carroll and have no adequate back-up, and now are scrambling around to bring back a player they obviously didn't feel was good enough in the first place (C Cole). Imagine the uproar if that was the situation down at Saints. Newcastle were midtable when they fired him, they were relegated the following season Blackburn were midtable when they fired him, they too were relegated the following season. He took west ham up at the first attempt and they finished midtable last season above us and were never in any danger of going down. What exactly were you expecting from them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Game has moved on since then, wouldn't get out of the NPC now with the group of players that Bolton had then. Oh right so we discredit his achievements there because using pure speculation 10 years on we think he might not have done as well. Do you hold this view on McMemenemy? How about busby? Shankley? Are we to write off what they did because the game has moved on since then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Oh right so we discredit his achievements there because using pure speculation 10 years on we think he might not have done as well. Do you hold this view on McMemenemy? How about busby? Shankley? Are we to write off what they did because the game has moved on since then? No, I personally think he's a pretty good manager but the point is here that someone is saying that Pochettino needs to do better than Sam's league position record (which he probably does anyway) but then you're comparing inequals. If Sam had the squad that he has now in his Bolton days he'd probably finish above those positions himself. BFS get's the priorities right, not losing is nearly as important as winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 No, I personally think he's a pretty good manager but the point is here that someone is saying that Pochettino needs to do better than Sam's league position record (which he probably does anyway) but then you're comparing inequals. If Sam had the squad that he has now in his Bolton days he'd probably finish above those positions himself. BFS get's the priorities right, not losing is nearly as important as winning. Fat Sam didn't have one of the highest transfer budgets in Europe when he was at Bolton, so we aren't comparing like for like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Fat Sam didn't have one of the highest transfer budgets in Europe when he was at Bolton, so we aren't comparing like for like. but he had some decent players all the same, perhaps we should be looking at salarial mass as well, can't imagine that Djorkaeff and Okocha played for them for peanuts. Wasn't it one of their policies at the time I think, free transfers, high salaries ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 I wouldn't want him here either but you can't argue with his record. He's not an international manager or one for a big but because he's a bit of a knob and people don't like the way his teams play he's dismissed as a terrible manager. Do you really think he'd have had the success he had at Bolton by trying to get limited players and a limited budget play sparkling champagne football? Strachan is viewed as a hero by some here and achieved far less. We hardly played sparkling football under him, it was all about work rate, tempo and fitness. Dont know if the budget is so limited if you can bring in a Djorkaeff and others. Maybe limited transfer budget but the wages were probably more than decent since he could bring in experienced players, although some where on loans. Not a terrible manager at all, but a terrible footballing style imo. But from what I understand he´s always popular amongst his players so probably a very good man-manager which helps his teams to achieve what they´ve done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Newcastle were midtable when they fired him, they were relegated the following season Blackburn were midtable when they fired him, they too were relegated the following season. He took west ham up at the first attempt and they finished midtable last season above us and were never in any danger of going down. What exactly were you expecting from them? Just to play devil's advocate, does it say quite a lot about the squads he built at both clubs that they were both relegated? And without Carroll they are likely to be in a relegation battle again this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Just to play devil's advocate, does it say quite a lot about the squads he built at both clubs that they were both relegated? And without Carroll they are likely to be in a relegation battle again this season Wouldn't you say Newcastles was down to having 3 managers in a year in Keegan, Kinear and Shearer? We know from experience how that pans out. As for Blackburn he left them when they were 13th. Ask Blackburn fans what they think of Steve Keen, who funnily enough was the man to take them to the next level and was talking about champions league football the season they went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 30 September, 2013 Share Posted 30 September, 2013 Game has moved on since then, wouldn't get out of the NPC now with the group of players that Bolton had then. Last year's eighth placed team: Steve Clarke's seminal West Bromwich Albion team. Football gods from one to eleven. Breathtaking to watch they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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