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MotM vs Liverpool (Away 2013/14)  

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  1. 1. MotM vs Liverpool (Away 2013/14)

    • Boruc
      91
    • Clyne
      25
    • Lovren
      273
    • Fonte
      14
    • Shaw
      8
    • Schneiderlin
      9
    • Rodriguez
      0
    • Wanyama
      1
    • Osvaldo
      7
    • Lallana
      10
    • Lambert
      0
    • Davis, S
      2
    • Ward-Prowse
      2
    • Cork
      6

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saintalan

saintalan

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We also saw a return to that ''high'' pressing gameer. ...

 

Surprised this has not been mentioned more, after last week was wondering why we had abandoned it. It was a pleasure to watch today.

Dig Dig

Dig Dig

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Surprised this has not been mentioned more, after last week was wondering why we had abandoned it. It was a pleasure to watch today.

 

We can't do it every week, a lot depends on the opposition and how they set up to play.

alpine_saint

alpine_saint

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Absolutely delighted.

 

I know I am considered the voice of doom, but I fancied us for today. Cant explain why.

 

Still dont think our attack is firing on all cylinders, and if Ramirez isnt going to play in a game like this, I dont think he has a future here.

 

Roll on the next game and I hope the imminent discovery of a strategy to deal with the bus-parkers...

Olallana

Olallana

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Absolutely delighted.

 

I know I am considered the voice of doom, but I fancied us for today. Cant explain why.

 

Still dont think our attack is firing on all cylinders, and if Ramirez isnt going to play in a game like this, I dont think he has a future here.

 

Roll on the next game and I hope the imminent discovery of a strategy to deal with the bus-parkers...

 

Good for you.

But even if I´m a fan of Ramirez I really need an explanation of that highlighted above....

The Kraken

The Kraken

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Good for you.

But even if I´m a fan of Ramirez I really need an explanation of that highlighted above....

I think its a fair comment. He's £12M worth of talent sitting on the bench more than he is playing. For his own development as a player he needs to be playing, and playing in the big games. At the moment he's not even close to a starting spot. Plus, can SFC really afford to have such a player on the wage bill and not contributing in the longer term? Far better to ship him out and have the manager bring in a player he will actually use.

Olallana

Olallana

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I think its a fair comment. He's £12M worth of talent sitting on the bench more than he is playing. For his own development as a player he needs to be playing, and playing in the big games. At the moment he's not even close to a starting spot. Plus, can SFC really afford to have such a player on the wage bill and not contributing in the longer term? Far better to ship him out and have the manager bring in a player he will actually use.

 

Well what I reacted to was the words "a game like this".

 

For me this was the kind of game I can see him on the bench, especially if we´re leading.

I´m more confused why he didn´t play last week in that case...

stknowle

stknowle

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Well what I reacted to was the words "a game like this".

 

For me this was the kind of game I can see him on the bench, especially if we´re leading.

I´m more confused why he didn´t play last week in that case...

 

Looking beyond the 'a game like this' aspect, the basic point that a player who cost a lot of money doesn't particularly look like having much of a future with us at this particular point in time after consistently failing to live up to expectations and therefore falling out of favour, is a perfectly valid one.

Professor

Professor

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I think its a fair comment. He's £12M worth of talent sitting on the bench more than he is playing. For his own development as a player he needs to be playing, and playing in the big games. At the moment he's not even close to a starting spot. Plus, can SFC really afford to have such a player on the wage bill and not contributing in the longer term? Far better to ship him out and have the manager bring in a player he will actually use.

 

To have a £12m player on the bench is almost an essential for clubs aspiring to Champions' League football. Have look at the value of the subs benches at the likes of Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal etc. Its no longer possible to compete at this level with 11 payers and 11 reserves. Over the course of the season we will need Ramirez and when he gets a chance it'll be up to him to try to keep his place.

Window Cleaner

Window Cleaner

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I think its a fair comment. He's £12M worth of talent sitting on the bench more than he is playing. For his own development as a player he needs to be playing, and playing in the big games. At the moment he's not even close to a starting spot. Plus, can SFC really afford to have such a player on the wage bill and not contributing in the longer term? Far better to ship him out and have the manager bring in a player he will actually use.

 

Some players have cost a lot, others cost nothing but are worth a lot. Most of our players are now worth 12 million and upwards so which ones play is a matter of form and suitability and not cost.

The Kraken

The Kraken

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Well what I reacted to was the words "a game like this".

 

For me this was the kind of game I can see him on the bench, especially if we´re leading.

I´m more confused why he didn´t play last week in that case...

My take on it would be that the current manager is not using one of our highest paid (and highest valued) players against the best sides, when clearly our best players are needed to step up their games. And lets not forget that Ramirez is a player that MP didn't sign himself. Our top players really should be getting games in "a game like this"; that he wasn't used at all today says one thing; that he hasn't been used from the start even against the lower ranked sides is more cause for question. It's no use for a club like us to have such a valuable asset sat on the bench. And if MP feels that he could use that sort of spend to much better effect I have little doubt that he'll be pressing the club to act.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think having Ramirez from the bench is a great option. Its just whether that option is as good as reinvesting the money in another player who MP will use a lot more. A bit of a simplistic comparison, but if Gaston's wage rumours are anywhere near accurate I'd suggest we shouldn't be spending that on someone who doesn't make the first team so often.

suewhistle

suewhistle

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Still dont think our attack is firing on all cylinders, [sNIP]

 

 

Roll on the next game and I hope the imminent discovery of a strategy to deal with the bus-parkers...

 

I think we'd pretty much all agree with you there.

 

For what it's worth, I think people are more sympathetic to Osvaldo as he seems so up for it all, even if he's not getting the goals yet. Ramirez's body language is a bit more negative when he plays, he's worrying too much to perform well. But if we want to do well it's great to have such a quality bench: a mixture of competent and quality today. The three who came on didn't disappoint, and I reckon the others would have slotted in well too.

Winchester Red

Winchester Red

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Shows how much it's a results driven business.

 

Boruc makes a finger tip save from a Gerrard free-kick and then Gerrard takes a wild hoof at Lovren's header and it goes into the roof of the net. Result 0-1 Saints - Everyones happy and Saints played a blinder

 

Whilst in the alternative universe, Gerrard's free kick creeps in off Boruc's fingers and then he clears off the line from Lovren. Result 1-0 Liverpool and all on here would be doom and gloom, and yet every other element of the game is identical.

 

I know it's emotional but a little balance wouldn't go a miss.

 

Also, why does there need to be a worst player to have a go at? Earlier on this thread someone was defending VW and saying JRod was worse.

 

We've just won 1-0 at Anfield. Were any of them really worth being singled out as non-performers?

Ian the Red

Ian the Red

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To have a £12m player on the bench is almost an essential for clubs aspiring to Champions' League football. Have look at the value of the subs benches at the likes of Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal etc. Its no longer possible to compete at this level with 11 payers and 11 reserves. Over the course of the season we will need Ramirez and when he gets a chance it'll be up to him to try to keep his place.

 

Absolutely right, Professor. We need strength in depth and will need a few more £12m players on the bench when we are in the Champions League next season!

DuncanRG

DuncanRG

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Great result and good performance. I don't feel it was an earth-shaking improvement on West Brom, West Ham or Sunderland, just poorer opposition (on the day) and that bit of luck we'd previously been lacking.

 

Echo the love-in for Lovren.

Edited by DuncanRG
dvaughanwilliams

dvaughanwilliams

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My take on it would be that the current manager is not using one of our highest paid (and highest valued) players against the best sides, when clearly our best players are needed to step up their games. And lets not forget that Ramirez is a player that MP didn't sign himself. Our top players really should be getting games in "a game like this"; that he wasn't used at all today says one thing; that he hasn't been used from the start even against the lower ranked sides is more cause for question. It's no use for a club like us to have such a valuable asset sat on the bench. And if MP feels that he could use that sort of spend to much better effect I have little doubt that he'll be pressing the club to act.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think having Ramirez from the bench is a great option. Its just whether that option is as good as reinvesting the money in another player who MP will use a lot more. A bit of a simplistic comparison, but if Gaston's wage rumours are anywhere near accurate I'd suggest we shouldn't be spending that on someone who doesn't make the first team so often.

 

I agree that Gaston should be getting picked for games like this, but I don't think that it warrants selling him. His presence on the bench is pushing the players on the pitch to play to their best because they know that they stand to lose their place to him if they don't.

 

He is being kept out of the team by Osvaldo (upto £15m), Rodriguez (£6-7m) and Lallana. All three of them are, arguably, of comparable value to Ramirez. Having him on the bench shows the strength in depth we have as when one of them inevitably has a dip in form or gets injured, hopefully the time on the bench spurs him on to make an impact on the team to hold down his place.

 

However, I would say that I completely misread the situation regarding Forren and Mayuka so he's probably being lined up for a loan to a Championship club. :p

Dark Munster

Dark Munster

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Best thing was that we hardly gave them a sniff in the last fifteen mins. Superb stuff. Poch has really sorted the defence.

Davis - VW - JPW - Morgan - Cork all on at the same time! Quality park the bus midfield (not to mention Clyne, Lovren, Jose, Shaw and Boruc at the back!)

 

No wonder they hardly got a sniff in the last 15 minutes. :D

eurosaint

eurosaint

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Shows how much it's a results driven business.

 

Boruc makes a finger tip save from a Gerrard free-kick and then Gerrard takes a wild hoof at Lovren's header and it goes into the roof of the net. Result 0-1 Saints - Everyones happy and Saints played a blinder

 

Whilst in the alternative universe, Gerrard's free kick creeps in off Boruc's fingers and then he clears off the line from Lovren. Result 1-0 Liverpool and all on here would be doom and gloom, and yet every other element of the game is identical.

 

I know it's emotional but a little balance wouldn't go a miss.

 

Also, why does there need to be a worst player to have a go at? Earlier on this thread someone was defending VW and saying JRod was worse.

 

We've just won 1-0 at Anfield. Were any of them really worth being singled out as non-performers?

 

Good post, we have had 5 tight matches so far which could have gone any which way, but we we've sneaked a couple of wins and come up a bit short in the 2 home matches !

Best we keep a level head and trust that we average out on the plus side over a period of games !!

SNSUN

SNSUN

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What is the point of leaving out just one 'o' from that? They could fit that in, surely?

 

There's no "O" in team. :-D

 

(Wait, that doesn't make sense...)

DuncanRG

DuncanRG

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Shows how much it's a results driven business.

 

Boruc makes a finger tip save from a Gerrard free-kick and then Gerrard takes a wild hoof at Lovren's header and it goes into the roof of the net. Result 0-1 Saints - Everyones happy and Saints played a blinder

 

Whilst in the alternative universe, Gerrard's free kick creeps in off Boruc's fingers and then he clears off the line from Lovren. Result 1-0 Liverpool and all on here would be doom and gloom, and yet every other element of the game is identical.

 

I know it's emotional but a little balance wouldn't go a miss.

 

It's quite stunning how many people are ready to ignore this obvious truth.

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shurlock

shurlock

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My take on it would be that the current manager is not using one of our highest paid (and highest valued) players against the best sides, when clearly our best players are needed to step up their games. And lets not forget that Ramirez is a player that MP didn't sign himself. Our top players really should be getting games in "a game like this"; that he wasn't used at all today says one thing; that he hasn't been used from the start even against the lower ranked sides is more cause for question. It's no use for a club like us to have such a valuable asset sat on the bench. And if MP feels that he could use that sort of spend to much better effect I have little doubt that he'll be pressing the club to act.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think having Ramirez from the bench is a great option. Its just whether that option is as good as reinvesting the money in another player who MP will use a lot more. A bit of a simplistic comparison, but if Gaston's wage rumours are anywhere near accurate I'd suggest we shouldn't be spending that on someone who doesn't make the first team so often.

 

If there are any games in which Ramirez would feature, it's not this one. Not away against the top sides where the onus is on us keeping things tight and closing down space. Had we not scored so early, he might have come on.

 

If there's a game set up for Ramirez, surely it's at home against the lesser sides that come to park the bus, don't ask as much offensively and we need to find a way to unlock them.

Batman

Batman

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If there are any games in which Ramirez would feature, it's not this one. Not away against the top sides where the onus is on keeping things tight and closing down space. Had we not scored, so early he might have come on.

 

If there's a game set up for Ramirez, surely it's at home against the lesser sides that come to park the bus, don't ask as much offensively and we need to find a way to unlock them.

find out in the next two games

Turkish

Turkish

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If there are any games in which Ramirez would feature, it's not this one. Not away against the top sides where the onus is on us keeping things tight and closing down space. Had we not scored so early, he might have come on.

 

If there's a game set up for Ramirez, surely it's at home against the lesser sides that come to park the bus, don't ask as much offensively and we need to find a way to unlock them.

 

The west ham gave was up just like this and perfect for him it still he didn't come on.

shurlock

shurlock

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The west ham gave was up just like this and perfect for him it still he didn't come on.

 

True and perhaps MP will change things against Palace.

 

IMO team selections say as much about MP as Ramirez. MP is fundamentally risk-averse - he rarely changes things up top unless we're trailing -hence Ramirez featured in the Sunderland and Norwich games. He's much more likely to take an attacker off for a midfielder to shore things up with another presser.

 

Just look at the subs bench- it's chockablock with defenders and midfielders. Ramirez plays a role if only because he's our only attacking option.

pangy

pangy

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I still think we need Ramirez in the team,we look a decent team right until the final 3rd,we need a creative playmaker/attacking mid to set things up and RL dropping deep is not the answer,actually maybe GR is not the answer either but we need a creative player to start making chances

I watched a fair bit of the game and even though I was highly critical of playing with no wingers,AL & J-rod looked decent out there with Clyne & Shaw overlapping,Osvaldo looked very lively and will create havoc when he settles in 100% and is firing on all cylinders.

 

I am not saying RL should be dropped for Osvaldo but we deffo need a creative spark to start creating chances,Juan Mata on loan in Jan would be ideal or failing that Ramirez living up to his reputation

Colinjb

Colinjb

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As far as I could see, any touch was utterly negligible. Delighted we got the rub of the green, but like the Schneiderlin challenge last week... we were fortunate.

Batman

Batman

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As far as I could see, any touch was utterly negligible. Delighted we got the rub of the green, but like the Schneiderlin challenge last week... we were fortunate.

 

as always, I like to look at it from the opposite view.

if we lose at home to palace and we never got that penalty, I would be utterly livid with the ref. it was a penalty. pretty clear.

as you say, morgan got away with one last week.

Turkish

Turkish

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as always, I like to look at it from the opposite view.

if we lose at home to palace and we never got that penalty, I would be utterly livid with the ref. it was a penalty. pretty clear.

as you say, morgan got away with one last week.

 

At the time inside the ground it looked like a dive, having just seen it in on MOTD it looked like pen and we'd be furious if we didn't get it. Would have been a shame if they'd got it as we were Excellent today and deserved the win,

shurlock

shurlock

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as always, I like to look at it from the opposite view.

if we lose at home to palace and we never got that penalty, I would be utterly livid with the ref. it was a penalty. pretty clear.

as you say, morgan got away with one last week.

 

And West Ham and Norwich got away with pretty clear cut handballs. The Norwich one, in particular, was much more of a stonewall pen than Sturridge's.

 

Swings and roundabouts.

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Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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As far as I could see, any touch was utterly negligible. Delighted we got the rub of the green, but like the Schneiderlin challenge last week... we were fortunate.

 

There's a definite touch on the ball because it bobbles up, but it's unclear whether the touch is from Lovren or Sturridge.

Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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as always, I like to look at it from the opposite view.

if we lose at home to palace and we never got that penalty, I would be utterly livid with the ref. it was a penalty. pretty clear.

as you say, morgan got away with one last week.

 

You say it was pretty clear, but it really wasn't. Having seen it again from a couple of angles on MOTD it does look like Lovren didn't make any contact with the ball (just), but initially when I saw the replay it looked like he did. The ref obviously didn't have a great view either, Sturridge wasn't exactly in a shooting position and he didn't go down, so it's easy to see why he didn't give it. I've seen softer ones given before certainly, but then we've had a couple of blatant ones denied already this season so it's swings and roundabouts.

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