Wade Garrett Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 I think it's anything but sterile now. Look at Swansea playing Liverpool off the park the other night. Look at Spurs and their improvement over the last few years. Smart investment in players by clubs, who are getting more tv cash than ever, is making them more than competitive. Ironically, it is this that will probably hasten a Euro League, when the money bags clubs start missing out on Champions League football on merit. Personally, I much prefer domestic competition, and I reckon a European League would be a soulless vacuum without the rivalries that energise the domestic leagues across the continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 The Premier League is dull and predictable compared to what it used to be. We pretty much already know that the top 4 will include Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City and one of Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool. Maybe it will be a really exceptional year this season and Arsenal will finish 2nd - wow, the excitement! Sky's money has ruined the game IMO, I prefered the 80s where the stadiums had atmosphere and clubs like Saints could challenge at the top through talent and hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 Its not even a debate though, is it? Alpine wondered "how many of us are really, really deep-down happier than at this time 2 years ago." That's not a debate; that's just asking if there are some that feel that way. Clearly Alpine does, and I'd say I do, plus a few others I've seen express the same sentiments. There's no argument or debate whatsoever to be had; you either prefer football then, or you don't. It is an argument because it is a statement of a person's opinion, there doesn't even have to be an opposing view, it is his personal "argument". It's still an argument. An argument when two people have a heated discussion is a different definition of "argument". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 (edited) Or to clarify : Noun 1) An exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one: "I've had an argument with my father". 2) A reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong 1 is a shouting match, 2 is just having an opinion for consideration. Just noticed this is covered above. Well, at least someone's learned something. Edited 20 September, 2013 by The9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 I see the argument (sorry!) that being in the top division has enabled us to attract the top players for big money, has been made. Well, apart from Lovren, we've certainly splashed the cash over the past two season, whether we've got the top quality we've been expecting for it is quite another matter... Yes, I was "negative" back in the Championship, but I look back at that as being an emotional response to the roller-coaster ride we had to promotion (especially the last 6 weeks..) Last year was a novelty, being back in the PL. Now, I just look at this season and the fixtures and think "meh". I wasnt like that about seeing Saints in Villach, I was possitively wetting myself. Is my demeanour about the PL not in a way even MORE negative than my demeanour 2 years ago ? I cared then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 Or to clarify : Noun 1) An exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one: "I've had an argument with my father". 2) A reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong 1 is a shouting match, 2 is just having an opinion for consideration. I'm still at a loss as to how you can have a flaw in an opinion of your own. There's no right or wrong, as its an opinion. A bit like if I asked you "do you prefer the sash kit to the Rank Xerox kit". If you said "my favourite Saints kit is the sash kit", it would be a bit daft to respond "the flaw in your argument is that the Rank Xerox kit was more popular in an online poll". Jesus, I just bored myself typing that out. I'd argue that we should move on. Arguably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 Last seasons dramtically labelled "Fight for Fourth" and the shots of Arsenals players and fans leaping around like they'd won the title summed up for me how dire football is now. These days finishing 4th is more hyped and considered more of an achievement than winning the FA Cup or the League cup. I found it utterly cringeworthy to be honest. Most footballers are tossers these day too, arrogant *****s with little regard for the fans or the clubs they play for. We are fortunately in that we have spoken out publicly about their love for the club, i'm not talking about the kissing shirt and PR trained sterile answers some players give, but the likes of Rickie Lambert talking with emotion after his England debut about how much we've done for him. Even new boy Lovern appears to love it here and when he talks about being happy you believe him. And that's before i even go into my favourite subjects of the terrible atmosphere, the amount of idiot fans seemily more interested in the match day experience and what the food is like that anything that may happen on the pitch. The obsession with attracting football tourists and the attention seeking crazy outfits and wacky behaviour and one of my biggest hates, all clubs singing the same songs. It certainly isn't the game i feel in love with and used to spend all my paper round money on in the late 80's and 90's. £2 to get in, bus fair in and out of town, a programme and a fanzine, then a can of coke from the news agents at the top of Milton Road. On the terrace the moment it opened, often stood in the freezing cold or p8ssing rain, the surge after a goal. No "matchday experience" wacky outifts, replica shirts and "look like a wotsit" chants in those days. Would i change it for how it is now? Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 *wipes nostalgic tear from eye* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 It certainly isn't the game i feel in love with and used to spend all my paper round money on in the late 80's and 90's. £2 to get in, bus fair in and out of town, a programme and a fanzine, then a can of coke from the news agents at the top of Milton Road. On the terrace the moment it opened, often stood in the freezing cold or p8ssing rain, the surge after a goal. No "matchday experience" wacky outifts, replica shirts and "look like a wotsit" chants in those days. Would i change it for how it is now? Not a chance. Sums it up for me, it was a much simpler experience in those days but so much better. The fans made the game, and we didn't need goal music, comfy seats and big screens to do it. We had groups of our mates, genuine terrace wit and soul. The only thing that kept me going regularly if i'm honest was the relegation last time round, and i'm pretty sure a point will come again with the premier league - if we stay up - when i just have enough. Enough of shi.t atmospheres, enough of being ripped off, enough of sky hype, message boards full of geeks/stattos, new replica shirts every year, premier league "fans" of India, four teams competing for four places and everyone else being expected to hold them in reverence (or being patronised by the media). Football is fuc/ked, corrupt, soul less and as middle class as tennis at the top level, and the sad thing is that's exactly what those in control of it want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 Last seasons dramtically labelled "Fight for Fourth" and the shots of Arsenals players and fans leaping around like they'd won the title summed up for me how dire football is now. These days finishing 4th is more hyped and considered more of an achievement than winning the FA Cup or the League cup. I found it utterly cringeworthy to be honest. Most footballers are tossers these day too, arrogant *****s with little regard for the fans or the clubs they play for. We are fortunately in that we have spoken out publicly about their love for the club, i'm not talking about the kissing shirt and PR trained sterile answers some players give, but the likes of Rickie Lambert talking with emotion after his England debut about how much we've done for him. Even new boy Lovern appears to love it here and when he talks about being happy you believe him. And that's before i even go into my favourite subjects of the terrible atmosphere, the amount of idiot fans seemily more interested in the match day experience and what the food is like that anything that may happen on the pitch. The obsession with attracting football tourists and the attention seeking crazy outfits and wacky behaviour and one of my biggest hates, all clubs singing the same songs. It certainly isn't the game i feel in love with and used to spend all my paper round money on in the late 80's and 90's. £2 to get in, bus fair in and out of town, a programme and a fanzine, then a can of coke from the news agents at the top of Milton Road. On the terrace the moment it opened, often stood in the freezing cold or p8ssing rain, the surge after a goal. No "matchday experience" wacky outifts, replica shirts and "look like a wotsit" chants in those days. Would i change it for how it is now? Not a chance. Or, to paraphrase....." I don't like growing up". Agree with what you say about finishing 4th. However, was it all that different "back in the day" ? I recall being at Ipswich for our last game of the 80/81 season. It was played in midweek after the Cup final and we knew that we had to win to get into the UEFA Cup. 3-0 up after 20 mins. 3-2 at H/t. they battered us for the whole 2nd half and Steve Baker (yes him, making his debut) cleared at least 2 off the line right in front of us. We held onto the win and went suitably beserk at the end as being in Europe meant loads to us, even way back when. Good ruck after as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 20 September, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 September, 2013 £2/£6 depending on your age to get in the Milton, those days were great, the walk half cut from the Bedfords into the ground, football quality was lacking but atmosphere and effort from our equally half cut footballers was not, better quality? No but 100% better matchday experience ******** they harp on about now, all day Saturday on it and New Yorks in the evening after McKluskeys or however you spell it, I really do feel sorry for the younger generation now as the atmosphere is ****, the ground is **** and generic,our players are plastic and not really one of us at all and what infomation do we get from the club? No if these are the best days in recent history I have missed something ****ing amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchardsaint Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 Wouldn't it be great if several of the big 4 or 5 had bad seasons and we ended up with a couple of new teams filling the top slots? check out my theory about the play off/ relegation system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchardsaint Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 I wonder how many of us are really, really deep-down happier than at this time 2 years ago.The games and opposition were more interesting then; we only want to win and avoid relegation now for financial reasons. We were competitive then, in with a shout for things. We've spent 60m on underachieving crap since then. (OK, 50m - Lovren is an exception) i am. two years ago i was diagnosed with liver cancer and joked that i would see the saints back in the prem in my lifetime, but never actually thinking it would happen. (mainly because i didn't think i would make three months) since then, i have had my liver resected and chemo to help through the next six months or so. seeing my son grow up a fan, taking him to st mary's for the first time, but seeing the saints play boring football, will be worth it. that first game for him will be his 7th birthday on the weekend of the swansea match. believe me, life gets some different persprctives when you really have something to worry about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 20 September, 2013 Author Share Posted 20 September, 2013 i am. two years ago i was diagnosed with liver cancer and joked that i would see the saints back in the prem in my lifetime, but never actually thinking it would happen. (mainly because i didn't think i would make three months) since then, i have had my liver resected and chemo to help through the next six months or so. seeing my son grow up a fan, taking him to st mary's for the first time, but seeing the saints play boring football, will be worth it. that first game for him will be his 7th birthday on the weekend of the swansea match. believe me, life gets some different persprctives when you really have something to worry about! Happy you are doing well, I hope you see many Saints victories to come. Best of luck for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 I am rapidly losing interest in all levels of football. My eldest son has just given up because of neanderthal "must win because they have small genitalia" / mobbing mentality amongst youth trainers where I live, and my 9 year old hasnt got a game so far this season because he is in a joint club team, the trainers come from the other club and play only their players, so he wonders why he should bother training, which gives them an additional excuse not to play him. So they don't really enjoy the game itself then? There's always an excuse from you, isn't there? Always somebody fault that things aren't exactly how you'd like them. When I moved abroad I didn't play for well over a year due to bureaucratic difficulties, and then I didn't play much because I am, quite frankly, not very good and the team were playing in a higher division. But I still trained twice a week and more in pre-season because I love football and didn't get much chance when I was younger. Gradually I got better, the team got worse and I ended up with more playing time, and last season played 90 minutes in the majority of games. I've moved back and found a new team. Probably won't play as much, but I go along, accept the manager's decision, play where he wants me to and do it all with enthusiasm. Enthusiasm. A word I would never associate with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 20 September, 2013 Share Posted 20 September, 2013 (edited) Last seasons dramtically labelled "Fight for Fourth" and the shots of Arsenals players and fans leaping around like they'd won the title summed up for me how dire football is now. These days finishing 4th is more hyped and considered more of an achievement than winning the FA Cup or the League cup. I found it utterly cringeworthy to be honest. Most footballers are tossers these day too, arrogant *****s with little regard for the fans or the clubs they play for. We are fortunately in that we have spoken out publicly about their love for the club, i'm not talking about the kissing shirt and PR trained sterile answers some players give, but the likes of Rickie Lambert talking with emotion after his England debut about how much we've done for him. Even new boy Lovern appears to love it here and when he talks about being happy you believe him. And that's before i even go into my favourite subjects of the terrible atmosphere, the amount of idiot fans seemily more interested in the match day experience and what the food is like that anything that may happen on the pitch. The obsession with attracting football tourists and the attention seeking crazy outfits and wacky behaviour and one of my biggest hates, all clubs singing the same songs. It certainly isn't the game i feel in love with and used to spend all my paper round money on in the late 80's and 90's. £2 to get in, bus fair in and out of town, a programme and a fanzine, then a can of coke from the news agents at the top of Milton Road. On the terrace the moment it opened, often stood in the freezing cold or p8ssing rain, the surge after a goal. No "matchday experience" wacky outifts, replica shirts and "look like a wotsit" chants in those days. Would i change it for how it is now? Not a chance. Ah - nostalgia ain't what it used to be ..but I have a lot of sympathy with what you are saying Edited 20 September, 2013 by St_Tel49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 September, 2013 Share Posted 21 September, 2013 i am. two years ago i was diagnosed with liver cancer and joked that i would see the saints back in the prem in my lifetime, but never actually thinking it would happen. (mainly because i didn't think i would make three months) since then, i have had my liver resected and chemo to help through the next six months or so. seeing my son grow up a fan, taking him to st mary's for the first time, but seeing the saints play boring football, will be worth it. that first game for him will be his 7th birthday on the weekend of the swansea match. believe me, life gets some different persprctives when you really have something to worry about! Fuuuuuuuuuu... ! Well, good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 21 September, 2013 Share Posted 21 September, 2013 I'm still at a loss as to how you can have a flaw in an opinion of your own. There's no right or wrong, as its an opinion. A bit like if I asked you "do you prefer the sash kit to the Rank Xerox kit". If you said "my favourite Saints kit is the sash kit", it would be a bit daft to respond "the flaw in your argument is that the Rank Xerox kit was more popular in an online poll". Jesus, I just bored myself typing that out. I'd argue that we should move on. Arguably. It's got nothing to do with flaws in an opinion of your own - the definition I provided specifically says "persuading others" - not persuading yourself. It's about taking personal ownership of ideas and being prepared to discuss them as if they're right. There's an implication in the definition that an argument has to be shared, but I would imagine that's just because you don't need to reason with yourself once you've settled on your argument and only others will be swayed by it as you already subscribed to those thoughts. I don't really know which end of what stick you've got to give the example you did but I think you were giving an example of someone having a flawed opinion and it's nothing to do with that. You can introduce an argument to a debate and defend them without actually believing it. If you ask a question about people's favourite kit, everyone's argument is built upon reasons for having a particular favourite kit. The "right and wrong" is the discussion which ensues in comparing your opinions to others' from your perspective. The assumption is that when you state your argument you believe it is correct based on thoughts and conclusions you have reached - your ideas are right, you're defending them. If you don't believe what you are saying, it's not your argument, which is often seen in trolling or WUMming. The group of ideas still represent "an argument" as they're a group of ideas which are being proposed or defended and the defending is the attempt in persuading others that the idea is right. However, they're not the actual opinions of the person raising them. As an aside, saying ""the flaw in your argument is that the Rank Xerox kit was more popular in an online poll" is a perfectly reasonable answer if you've said "it's your favourite kit because you like the most popular kit the best" and someone else has noted that "actually, that isn't the most popular kit". But that's irrelevant to identifying what an argument actually is. See, now THAT'S dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 September, 2013 Share Posted 21 September, 2013 So they don't really enjoy the game itself then? There's always an excuse from you, isn't there? Always somebody fault that things aren't exactly how you'd like them. When I moved abroad I didn't play for well over a year due to bureaucratic difficulties, and then I didn't play much because I am, quite frankly, not very good and the team were playing in a higher division. But I still trained twice a week and more in pre-season because I love football and didn't get much chance when I was younger. Gradually I got better, the team got worse and I ended up with more playing time, and last season played 90 minutes in the majority of games. I've moved back and found a new team. Probably won't play as much, but I go along, accept the manager's decision, play where he wants me to and do it all with enthusiasm. Enthusiasm. A word I would never associate with you. That post is just begging for Turkish to respond to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 21 September, 2013 Share Posted 21 September, 2013 So they don't really enjoy the game itself then? There's always an excuse from you, isn't there? Always somebody fault that things aren't exactly how you'd like them. When I moved abroad I didn't play for well over a year due to bureaucratic difficulties, and then I didn't play much because I am, quite frankly, not very good and the team were playing in a higher division. But I still trained twice a week and more in pre-season because I love football and didn't get much chance when I was younger. Gradually I got better, the team got worse and I ended up with more playing time, and last season played 90 minutes in the majority of games. I've moved back and found a new team. Probably won't play as much, but I go along, accept the manager's decision, play where he wants me to and do it all with enthusiasm. Enthusiasm. A word I would never associate with you. Do you play Sue? I can't believe you've never mentioned it before, what with all that enthusiasm and all. I see you mentioned you live abroad, whereabouts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 21 September, 2013 Share Posted 21 September, 2013 i am. two years ago i was diagnosed with liver cancer and joked that i would see the saints back in the prem in my lifetime, but never actually thinking it would happen. (mainly because i didn't think i would make three months) since then, i have had my liver resected and chemo to help through the next six months or so. seeing my son grow up a fan, taking him to st mary's for the first time, but seeing the saints play boring football, will be worth it. that first game for him will be his 7th birthday on the weekend of the swansea match. believe me, life gets some different persprctives when you really have something to worry about! Decent story to read before going to Liverpool! Take care mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 September, 2013 Share Posted 21 September, 2013 i am. two years ago i was diagnosed with liver cancer and joked that i would see the saints back in the prem in my lifetime, but never actually thinking it would happen. (mainly because i didn't think i would make three months) since then, i have had my liver resected and chemo to help through the next six months or so. seeing my son grow up a fan, taking him to st mary's for the first time, but seeing the saints play boring football, will be worth it. that first game for him will be his 7th birthday on the weekend of the swansea match. believe me, life gets some different persprctives when you really have something to worry about! Brilliant story. Really pleased for you both. And yes, it puts life into perspective, and its about a whole lot more than football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 21 September, 2013 Share Posted 21 September, 2013 Do you play Sue? I can't believe you've never mentioned it before, what with all that enthusiasm and all. I see you mentioned you live abroad, whereabouts? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sanchez Posted 21 September, 2013 Author Share Posted 21 September, 2013 :lol: Is Sue keen to mention she has lived abroad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 21 September, 2013 Share Posted 21 September, 2013 No, but Turkish is. It's all about context, boys. Poor little English boys in the Alps not getting a game and giving up, I was offering a more positive alternative to our resident depressive, and giving Turkish another hook to bite on. He's like Pavlov's dog, it's quite funny really, and I'm not going to letting the bullying ****er stop me posting. I do my own personal sweepstake as to whether he'll post just after me, and how quickly, and so far won it every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 September, 2013 Share Posted 22 September, 2013 (edited) No, but Turkish is. It's all about context, boys. Poor little English boys in the Alps not getting a game and giving up, I was offering a more positive alternative to our resident depressive, and giving Turkish another hook to bite on. He's like Pavlov's dog, it's quite funny really, and I'm not going to letting the bullying ****er stop me posting. I do my own personal sweepstake as to whether he'll post just after me, and how quickly, and so far won it every time. Such anger. Why would someone who you have on ignore stop you from posting? As for posting after you I think you'll find it was almost 12 hours after you posted, so I guess you lost that one. You do make me laugh suzy, yet another post from you bragging about what a great life you have and essentially implying you are superior to alps. Yet don't like it when people take the p*ss. Bit of frustration in there desperate to get out Suzy? Edited 22 September, 2013 by Turkish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 22 September, 2013 Share Posted 22 September, 2013 " Why dont the larger clubs leave for a European Super League and leave us to form a competitive domestic League, I am talking about Liverpool, Arsenal. United, City and Chelsea as they use us as a tool to further themselves in Europe and not as an English partner in the leagues." this part I agree with TOTALLY, and have written so before. as for your headline ....Is football now sterile,one-sided and boring.........well not after watching yesterdays game - it isn't . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 22 September, 2013 Share Posted 22 September, 2013 This is what I wish football was like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 September, 2013 Share Posted 22 September, 2013 This is what I wish football was like. Seen that before great video, the Kop really was something else in those days, This is good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 22 September, 2013 Share Posted 22 September, 2013 (edited) No, but Turkish is. It's all about context, boys. Poor little English boys in the Alps not getting a game and giving up, I was offering a more positive alternative to our resident depressive, and giving Turkish another hook to bite on. He's like Pavlov's dog, it's quite funny really, and I'm not going to letting the bullying ****er stop me posting. I do my own personal sweepstake as to whether he'll post just after me, and how quickly, and so far won it every time. Just ignore him. Reading posts from people like Turkish just reminds me of being back at school where you are stuck in a building with a bunch of f*ck-wits you don't want to be around and you are forced to interact with people you would never usually have to. You then go to college and it's refreshing to have fewer ***ts around because they are all down the building site, then at Uni it's great because you have filtered them all out. In the work-place you have the occasional idiot but generally you are around like-minded people so it's OK. Then you go on here and it's back to school with the mongs. Edited 22 September, 2013 by aintforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 22 September, 2013 Share Posted 22 September, 2013 Yesterday was great Saints playing Liverpool off the park The players reaction to the goal & watching the celebrations at full time on te half way line & then really celebrating in front of us But I was disappointed by the lack of anfield atmosphere the only time the kop made any real noise was when they played you'll never walk alone before kick off I'm sure if osvaldo had scored to put us 2-0 up they would have left well before full time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 September, 2013 Share Posted 22 September, 2013 Just ignore him. Reading posts from people like Turkish just reminds me of being back at school where you are stuck in a building with a bunch of f*ck-wits you don't want to be around and you are forced to interact with people you would never usually have to. You then go to college and it's refreshing to have fewer ***ts around because they are all down the building site, then at Uni it's great because you have filtered them all out. In the work-place you have the occasional idiot but generally you are around like-minded people so it's OK. Then you go on here and it's back to school with the mongs. She already has, I'm on ignore, didn't you know! Reading posts from you remind me of the thick kid in the class that as well as being stupid didn't really fit in with anyone, despite trying desperately hard to be popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 22 September, 2013 Share Posted 22 September, 2013 How is it that Sky is to blame for the PL becoming predictable and boring at the top? The cash each club gets from Sky in the top flight is pretty even (more so than gate receipts or merchandising) It's the riches of CL that distorts domestic competition so badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 22 September, 2013 Share Posted 22 September, 2013 Just ignore him. Reading posts from people like Turkish just reminds me of being back at school where you are stuck in a building with a bunch of f*ck-wits you don't want to be around and you are forced to interact with people you would never usually have to. You then go to college and it's refreshing to have fewer ***ts around because they are all down the building site, then at Uni it's great because you have filtered them all out. In the work-place you have the occasional idiot but generally you are around like-minded people so it's OK. Then you go on here and it's back to school with the mongs. Conversely, a good number of university students are the biggest f*ckwits I've ever met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 September, 2013 Share Posted 22 September, 2013 i am. two years ago i was diagnosed with liver cancer and joked that i would see the saints back in the prem in my lifetime, but never actually thinking it would happen. (mainly because i didn't think i would make three months) since then, i have had my liver resected and chemo to help through the next six months or so. seeing my son grow up a fan, taking him to st mary's for the first time, but seeing the saints play boring football, will be worth it. that first game for him will be his 7th birthday on the weekend of the swansea match. believe me, life gets some different persprctives when you really have something to worry about! All I can do is wish you all the best,lets hope your lad sees us win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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