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Didn't realise you'd be so happy about an Vietnamese immigrant becoming a congressman. Seems to conflict with all of your other views, ever.

 

Thats because you've allowed you're self to be influenced by some of the hysterical rantings of some of your leftie friends on here...The're on call to scream things like 'racist' and 'neo con' as soon as you push their buttons.....Not very impressive for someone who's apparently connected with politics......

You wont find anything anywhere, despite the white sheet jokes and other hytsterical b*llocks where I've expressed any kind of racist or blanket anti immigrant views....Realist yes...and some things just need to be called for exactly what they are

 

As it happens i voted for Cao (the Vietnamese immigrant) Interestingly the alterative was to vote for the currupt Democrat (socialist, to quote one of the lefties on here) Black guy, who just happened to have $90,000 in marked notes stuffed in his freezer when the FBI came knocking...and he and his socialist family are facing countless Federal charges of curruption....I guess thats one way of spreading the wealth around

 

I also voted for Bobby Jindal for State Govenor a son of an Indian immigrant....Far better option than the departed leftie 'Blanco' who along with the other leftie 'School Bus Nagin' were totally lacking in any kind of Hurricane preparedness plans and totally screwed up the aftermath of Katrina....Both of them were sitting in their holes crying with leftie compassion instead doing something to 'manage' the situation.

 

There's a huge difference between the hard working immigrants, who have come 'here' to work, who love the Country and want to follow the "American dream", and the welfare spongers and economic immigrants that Britain is suffering from. Many of them who have congregated in communities that hate the country and its traditional values with a passion

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Thats because you've allowed you're self to be influenced by some of the hysterical rantings of some of your leftie friends on here...The're on call to scream things like 'racist' and 'neo con' as soon as you push their buttons.....Not very impressive for someone who's apparently connected with politics......

You wont find anything anywhere, despite the white sheet jokes and other hytsterical b*llocks where I've expressed any kind of racist or blanket anti immigrant views....Realist yes...and some things just need to be called for exactly what they are

 

As it happens i voted for Cao (the Vietnamese immigrant) Interestingly the alterative was to vote for the currupt Democrat (socialist, to quote one of the lefties on here) Black guy, who just happened to have $90,000 in marked notes stuffed in his freezer when the FBI came knocking...and he and his socialist family are facing countless Federal charges of curruption....I guess thats one way of spreading the wealth around

 

I also voted for Bobby Jindal for State Govenor a son of an Indian immigrant....Far better option than the departed leftie 'Blanco' who along with the other leftie 'School Bus Nagin' were totally lacking in any kind of Hurricane preparedness plans and totally screwed up the aftermath of Katrina....Both of them were sitting in their holes crying with leftie compassion instead doing something to 'manage' the situation.

 

There's a huge difference between the hard working immigrants, who have come 'here' to work, who love the Country and want to follow the "American dream", and the welfare spongers and economic immigrants that Britain is suffering from. Many of them who have congregated in communities that hate the country and its traditional values with a passion

 

If all of your posts where this well presented (well, there are a few silly generalisations still, but m3h) then I don't think as many people would get on your back.

 

I just hope you continue to refrain from the ridiculous childish name calling and ridiculous exaggerations of many of your previous posts. The debate would be much more interesting then.

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So what happened to your prediction that Obama would be ineligible as President on the Hawaii inquiry George? Didn't exactly come to fruition did it? Just another few fruitcakes with the same views as you.

 

Who said it hasnt ?......Just because the left wing media is not reporting it doesn't mean nothings happening

 

So far there are over 20 filed High Court cases some State and some Federal......3 of them have made the 'Supreme Court' and there are more on the way.....

 

To date, 3 cases have been dismissed in High Court, 2 State and 1 Federal....Not because they found in the defendant's (Obama) favor.....But because they found the plaintiff lacked standing...ie have not suffered any damage (yet)

 

1 case has so far has been reviewed by Supreme Court conference and needed 4 out of 9 Judges to agree to hear the case but that went no further.... They're due to conference on a further case tomorrow (12 dec).....and there's another sat in the wings awaiting consideration

 

There are 'two' completely separate issues being challenged at the moment....The first, is even taking the facts as Obama has presented them. Several Constitutional lawyers, (both Republican and Democrat)feel the fact that Obama was a dual British/American citizen from Birth to the age of 14 excludes him under the Constitution to be President of the United States.....As it stood in 1790 he would have been ok, but the wording was changed in 1795 and hasn't been amended since, even during the huge general amendments after the civil rights act

 

The second, is the fact that Obama's mother was in Mombassa very shortly before his birth and some people are certain that she couldn't get a flight back to Hawaii due to here being so heavily pregnant and had here baby in Mombassa and flew back to Hawaii a few days after

 

In Hawaii at that time, and up until the early 70's the Birth's department would accept nothing more than a affidavit from one parent to say the child was born in Hawaii to make the registration as a Hawaii born child. This would allow a 'short form' Birth certificate to be issued and the 'long form' vault copy would record the fact it was issued based on a affidavit....Babies born in Hawaii however, will have the hospital and doctors name recorded on the vault certificate.

 

To date not only has no one seen his original 'long form' vault copy birth certificate, but neither of the two hospitals in Hawaii he was supposed to have been born in, has any record of his birth ...

If indeed he was born in Mombassa as a lot evidence would suggest then not only is he not a "Natural born citizen" as required under the constitution but he would also be an ilegal alien as his only American parents was to young to pass on citizenship

 

If you're thinking its too late to do anything about it now then you'd be wrong....despite what the press say, he's not even 'President elect' yet......Americans dont get to vote directly for the president, only electoral collage members who will be voting next week and they can legally nominate who the hell they like for president..

 

What ever happens next week, this wont go away until 'Chairman O' produces his original vault copy of his birth certificate....The lack of standing will no longer be a reason to pursue court cases after his election as every citizen will have standing as soon he signs his first Bill....Then watch the law suits fly

 

To some, the Costitution and Bill of Rights are way more important than petty politics...

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To be fair the only reason people are bothering about that whole malarkey, the only reason you and others only have a problem with Obama being president is because he's black.

 

And according to complete and utter morons like St George, a ragging commie.

 

It's their worst nightmare. A erudite, left of centre, blackman.

 

I'm actually surprised that the pr1ck who is St George hasn't fled to the wilds of Idaho ahead of the coming "war".

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I think your username is one letter too long.

 

Who said it hasnt ?......Just because the left wing media is not reporting it doesn't mean nothings happening

 

So far there are over 20 filed High Court cases some State and some Federal......3 of them have made the 'Supreme Court' and there are more on the way.....

 

To date, 3 cases have been dismissed in High Court, 2 State and 1 Federal....Not because they found in the defendant's (Obama) favor.....But because they found the plaintiff lacked standing...ie have not suffered any damage (yet)

 

1 case has so far has been reviewed by Supreme Court conference and needed 4 out of 9 Judges to agree to hear the case but that went no further.... They're due to conference on a further case tomorrow (12 dec).....and there's another sat in the wings awaiting consideration

 

There are 'two' completely separate issues being challenged at the moment....The first, is even taking the facts as Obama has presented them. Several Constitutional lawyers, (both Republican and Democrat)feel the fact that Obama was a dual British/American citizen from Birth to the age of 14 excludes him under the Constitution to be President of the United States.....As it stood in 1790 he would have been ok, but the wording was changed in 1795 and hasn't been amended since, even during the huge general amendments after the civil rights act

 

The second, is the fact that Obama's mother was in Mombassa very shortly before his birth and some people are certain that she couldn't get a flight back to Hawaii due to here being so heavily pregnant and had here baby in Mombassa and flew back to Hawaii a few days after

 

In Hawaii at that time, and up until the early 70's the Birth's department would accept nothing more than a affidavit from one parent to say the child was born in Hawaii to make the registration as a Hawaii born child. This would allow a 'short form' Birth certificate to be issued and the 'long form' vault copy would record the fact it was issued based on a affidavit....Babies born in Hawaii however, will have the hospital and doctors name recorded on the vault certificate.

 

To date not only has no one seen his original 'long form' vault copy birth certificate, but neither of the two hospitals in Hawaii he was supposed to have been born in, has any record of his birth ...

If indeed he was born in Mombassa as a lot evidence would suggest then not only is he not a "Natural born citizen" as required under the constitution but he would also be an ilegal alien as his only American parents was to young to pass on citizenship

 

If you're thinking its too late to do anything about it now then you'd be wrong....despite what the press say, he's not even 'President elect' yet......Americans dont get to vote directly for the president, only electoral collage members who will be voting next week and they can legally nominate who the hell they like for president..

 

What ever happens next week, this wont go away until 'Chairman O' produces his original vault copy of his birth certificate....The lack of standing will no longer be a reason to pursue court cases after his election as every citizen will have standing as soon he signs his first Bill....Then watch the law suits fly

 

To some, the Costitution and Bill of Rights are way more important than petty politics...

 

Blimey. What can one say?

 

You and your crew are holding out in some forlorn hope that the guy voted in by the populace will get deselected on some remote chance that enough irrelevant nonsense may be dug up.

 

George - smell the coffee and accept US democracy.

 

Although I would like you to keep us informed of all these cases that you talk about just so we know as much as you. :-)

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Blimey. What can one say?

 

You and your crew are holding out in some forlorn hope that the guy voted in by the populace will get deselected on some remote chance that enough irrelevant nonsense may be dug up.

 

George - smell the coffee and accept US democracy.

i wonder if you said the same when they re-elected bush...!!!!

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i wonder if you said the same when they re-elected bush...!!!!

 

Well, I obviously wouldn't have said that after Bush's victories at the polls although it's fair to say that if I were a US citizen in 2000 or 2004 I would have voted for the Dems. C'mon TDD, give me some credit at arguing a rational case!

 

And if you want to raise the Florida 2000 issue, then yes, I believe the election was flawed, but ultimately I, along with the vast majority of others and the various US courts, accepted the final ruling. That was a situation that had far more potential to cause a constitutional crisis than anything George bangs on about infinitum.

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12k a month for rent? Are you sure that isn't 12k a year? I am currently renting out a 5 bed house and if I let the DSS put people in there I could get up to £950 a month which is roughly 12k a year. To get a house of that size they would need to be about eight of them I suppose.

 

Yep, it's in London.

 

The council concerned did some sort of survey and then announced to the landlords how much they COULD charge per month. The landlord then put the rent up to £12k!

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To be fair the only reason people are bothering about that whole malarkey, the only reason you and others only have a problem with Obama being president is because he's black.

 

See?....There ya go, proving my point....Why cant you accept the fact that people can have views that arnt based on race?...I get the feeling that you and one or two other lefties like you, are guilt ridden 'closet' racist's yourselves, who just cant entertain the fact that other people don't have similar thoughts.....Nothing else to me can explain how the hell you can keep screaming racist at every opportunity you get....

 

For the record the first case to get to the Supreme Court cited both Obama and McCain, as being ineligible as McCain was born in Panama

 

One other high profile case going through the Court system right now has been has been bought by 'Alan Lee Keyes', Who........"filed a lawsuit on November 14, 2008 against the California Secretary of State, President-elect Barack Obama, Vice President elect Joe Biden, and California's 55 Democratic electors[91][92], seeking to challenge Obama's eligibility for the US Presidency. The suit requests that Obama provide documentation that he is a natural born citizen of the United States.[93][94] In addition to his California state court lawsuit, Keyes is also a party to a federal lawsuit on this same issue."

 

 

Now go put 'Alan Keyes' name in 'google image' and after you got over feeling so dumb and stupid you can come back and apologize...Thats if you have it in you, which i doubt

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Blimey. What can one say?

 

You and your crew are holding out in some forlorn hope that the guy voted in by the populace will get deselected on some remote chance that enough irrelevant nonsense may be dug up.

 

George - smell the coffee and accept US democracy.

 

Although I would like you to keep us informed of all these cases that you talk about just so we know as much as you. :-)

 

Hey, no need to shoot the messenger!......You asked what had happened and i took the time to tell ya

 

As for Democracy ...The Constitution is the very bedrock and foundation of the democratic system in this Country. You cant just cherry pick the bits you want from it.

 

To date its been amended 27 times to keep it aplicable and relevant to the current needs and wishes of "we the people"....None of those amendments include alowing a foreign or duel national to be President of the United States

 

If it turns out that Obama was born in Kenya, then not only is he ineligible as a foreign national but he would aslo be a proven fraud and a liar.....Had people voted with that knowledge at the time i'm sure that outside the African American community he wouldn't have won the majority vote....are you saying that would be un Democratic?

 

To date his eligibility has been taken by his word alone and the possible affidavit of his mother back in 1961....Some people want to see a little more than that before he takes the most powerful job in the world....Personally i'm thankfull there are people out there prepared to spend the time and money to ask the questions and take the "fruitcake" flack

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Haha, compelling argument, moron. Every single argument you have ever put forwards here is simply, fundamentally flawed, massively assumptive, reasoned in the most basic, and base, manners imaginable.

 

I know all about the case, I know who Alan keyes is already (a f*cking weirdo, an extreme right crazed extremist christian, anti gay, anti abortion, says jesus wouldn't vote for obama.. the man's a petty idiot) - he ran against Obama for senate in Illinois, Obama beat him, it's sour grapes. I never said that he was racist, his motivation is simply personal. If YOU look into Keyes enough yourself, you'd find that the man is a clown, a stooge. It's worrying that he's held any position of government at all.

 

Had I said the case was racist, I would have apologised. However, I just said that you dislike Obama because he is black, and I stand by that. You've shown your true colours (erm, white is right) more than enough. The case was mainly supported by fundamentalist christians, gun-toting rednecks and out and out racists. A poor rearguard action born of sour grapes, supported because some bitter people don't want something about Obama - whether that's because he's liberal, black, less gung-ho than neo-con idiots, supposedly (retards) muslim, etc etc.

 

"..after you got over feeling so dumb and stupid you can come back and apologize...Thats if you have it in you, which i doubt"

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Hey, no need to shoot the messenger!......You asked what had happened and i took the time to tell ya

 

As for Democracy ...The Constitution is the very bedrock and foundation of the democratic system in this Country. You cant just cherry pick the bits you want from it.

 

To date its been amended 27 times to keep it aplicable and relevant to the current needs and wishes of "we the people"....None of those amendments include alowing a foreign or duel national to be President of the United States

 

If it turns out that Obama was born in Kenya, then not only is he ineligible as a foreign national but he would aslo be a proven fraud and a liar.....Had people voted with that knowledge at the time i'm sure that outside the African American community he wouldn't have won the majority vote....are you saying that would be un Democratic?

To date his eligibility has been taken by his word alone and the possible affidavit of his mother back in 1961....Some people want to see a little more than that before he takes the most powerful job in the world....Personally i'm thankfull there are people out there prepared to spend the time and money to ask the questions and take the "fruitcake" flack

 

Since when has winning the majority vote bothered republicans? Wasn't much of an impediment in 2000 was it?

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As for Democracy ...The Constitution is the very bedrock and foundation of the democratic system in this Country. You cant just cherry pick the bits you want from it.

 

Convenient that most States choose to ignore Amendment 8 then, when it suits them.

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Owned.

Just poorly informed, Rob.

 

If he wants to understand why I said that, he only has to read my paper on the subject in the library of the University of Washington. :D

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Haha, compelling argument, moron. Every single argument you have ever put forwards here is simply, fundamentally flawed, massively assumptive, reasoned in the most basic, and base, manners imaginable.

 

I know all about the case, I know who Alan keyes is already (a f*cking weirdo, an extreme right crazed extremist christian, anti gay, anti abortion, says jesus wouldn't vote for obama.. the man's a petty idiot) - he ran against Obama for senate in Illinois, Obama beat him, it's sour grapes. I never said that he was racist, his motivation is simply personal. If YOU look into Keyes enough yourself, you'd find that the man is a clown, a stooge. It's worrying that he's held any position of government at all.

 

Had I said the case was racist, I would have apologised. However, I just said that you dislike Obama because he is black, and I stand by that. You've shown your true colours (erm, white is right) more than enough. The case was mainly supported by fundamentalist christians, gun-toting rednecks and out and out racists. A poor rearguard action born of sour grapes, supported because some bitter people don't want something about Obama - whether that's because he's liberal, black, less gung-ho than neo-con idiots, supposedly (retards) muslim, etc etc.

 

"..after you got over feeling so dumb and stupid you can come back and apologize...Thats if you have it in you, which i doubt"

 

 

Oohhhhh...looks like i hit a nerve there ;)....I see you had time to google Mr Keyes...But to pretend you knew all about him, his history and politics all along, kinda shows you up even more ....Think anyone would buy that ?...or just see you as a liar?...i'll go for the latter myself

 

So you think "The case was mainly supported by fundamentalist christians, gun-toting rednecks and out and out racists.".......LOl ....Back to google for you my friend .....Out of the 3 supreme court cases so far...one was filed by a 'African American' and one was filed by 'Democrat'... Yup you look even more stupid now than you did 2 days ago

 

BTW....You didnt say i "disliked Obama because he was black" you said "the only reason you and others only have a problem with Obama being president is because he's black."......You cant even be truthfully about that........The fact that a 'African American' is one of the main plaintiffs in Obama's eligibility case has ****ed your racist theory right up and you cant handle it .....so out comes the very predictable screams of moron, redneck clown etc.......Didnt think you'd have the balls to admit you got it wrong...You're type never do

 

Your tiny little indoctrinated mind just can't accept that someone could possibly form an opinion of something irelevant of race.....I'd hate to be you

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Just poorly informed, Rob.

 

If he wants to understand why I said that, he only has to read my paper on the subject in the library of the University of Washington. :D

 

Unless its been used as a reference paper by the US Supreme Court, it not going to be worth reading...So i'll decline your gracious offer......

 

But i may well write to the Supreme Court on your behalf and let them know of its existence. I'm sure they'll be interested in your opinion of those States using "Cruel and Unusual punishment".....Or was it "Excessive Bail you were concerned about?

 

 

BTW you two Tree Huggers make a great comedy act....keep it up ;)

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Unless its been used as a reference paper by the US Supreme Court, it not going to be worth reading...So i'll decline your gracious offer......

 

But i may well write to the Supreme Court on your behalf and let them know of its existence. I'm sure they'll be interested in your opinion of those States using "Cruel and Unusual punishment".....Or was it "Excessive Bail you were concerned about?

 

 

BTW you two Tree Huggers make a great comedy act....keep it up ;)

 

Give it up George.

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3 people. Enough for a Chair, Treasurer and Secretary. OK, off we go..! :)

 

Apparently George considers me a tree-hugger as well. With BTF, we're well on the way to a forestry love-in.

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Cheers Sister! I'll get to work on a 5 year plan....everyone needs a five year plan.

 

Comrade please, and make it a seven-year-plan to take account of the glorious increase in the peoples' grain harvest.

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I'm not a communist! Brother and sister is just fine with me :)

 

I wouldn't mind Clause 4 to be the backbone of our group though ;)

 

The Sidney Webb 1917 original clause? Compulsory nationalisation. Suits me.

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