Immigrants: 10yr wait for Benefits & Housing!

[Scummer]

Let's say she flew from Afghanistan. Would that be a direct flight? Or would she have travelled to, say Pakistan, then flown on from there?

 

I wouldn't imagine that too many asylum seekers fly straight out of their home country to the UK. I thought asylum seekers hid in the back of trucks whilst they were smuggled across borders etc?

 

If the home country waves it's residents in and out with a smile on it's face, I'd suggest that those people don't really need asylum.

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I wouldn't imagine that too many asylum seekers fly straight out of their home country to the UK. I thought asylum seekers hid in the back of trucks whilst they were smuggled across borders etc?

 

If the home country waves it's residents in and out with a smile on it's face, I'd suggest that those people don't really need asylum.

 

I agree with you. I was trying to think out loud about her route from Afghanistan to the UK and how many countries she would have travelled across.

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

Blimey, I guess I'm a butt of all that. Simple fact remains that the evidence on this board demonstrates that the anti-immigrant crew are generally poor spellers and poor users of English. Make of it what you will.

I feel i have to defend myself,grammar aside. I'm not immigrant hater, i just feel that certain people only come here to get free housing and live off benefits that you and i have worked hard to pay for.What do they contribute to britain except to drain the economy

If you read the article you will see that, it also says why do our schools have welcome in 20 different dialects,Hey this is england and they should be speaking english. If you went to their countrys would they make the same changes for you, i expect not!

You strike me as some bitter leftie who feels we should pay for the countrys past actions.

I feel for you, with your slanted point of view!

[Hatch]

What would be my chances of claiming Asylum in a much sunnier climate.

 

Here I am persecuted/hounded by the police, the government take nearly all my income away from me, etc.

I am sure it can work for me as well.

 

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

I wouldn't imagine that too many asylum seekers fly straight out of their home country to the UK. I thought asylum seekers hid in the back of trucks whilst they were smuggled across borders etc?

 

If the home country waves it's residents in and out with a smile on it's face, I'd suggest that those people don't really need asylum.

We all know they come here because its easier to get housing and benefits, than say France or Germany. Edited 9 December, 2008 by SOTONS EAST SIDE

[Weston Super Saint]

I agree with you. I was trying to think out loud about her route from Afghanistan to the UK and how many countries she would have travelled across.

 

It suggests to me that she is using the term 'asylum seeker' to hide behind to get an easier life.

 

Sure, there are genuine asylum seekers, but by and large they go to the first country that is safe, and close to where they are born. The type of people who will return back to their homeland once the imminent threat of danger has passed.

 

Now my Geography isn't very good - Cue Rob scoffing at the thickie!!! - but even I know there are a dozen safer countries between Afghanistan and England, which to me begs the question how exactly did she get here?

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I feel i have to defend myself,grammar aside. I'm not immigrant hater, i just feel that certain people only come here to get free housing and live off benefits that you and i have worked hard to pay for.What do they contribute to britain except to drain the economy

If you read the article you will see that, it also says why do our schools have welcome in 20 different dialects,Hey this is england and they should be speaking english. If you went to their countrys would they make the same changes for you, i expect not!

You strike me as some bitter leftie who feels we should pay for the countrys past actions.

I feel for you, with your slanted point of view!

 

The Government's own figures show that migrants and refugees make a huge overall contribution to national wealth. They made a net contribution of around £2.5 billion to income tax in 1999-2000 for example. This means they bring in £800 million a year more than the cost of running the entire asylum and immigration system.

 

Many migrants from the UK to, for example, France and Spain do not bother to learn French / Spanish.

When children from overseas arrive in this country, it is unlikely, on the first day at school, that they will speak English easily. This is why over 20 languages are spoken at some schools. However, those children learn English at school (shocking, I know). Recently an Iranian girl living near me achieved 3 straight As in her A levels, having arrived in the UK only two years earlier.

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

The Government's own figures show that migrants and refugees make a huge overall contribution to national wealth. They made a net contribution of around £2.5 billion to income tax in 1999-2000 for example. This means they bring in £800 million a year more than the cost of running the entire asylum and immigration system.

 

Many migrants from the UK to, for example, France and Spain do not bother to learn French / Spanish.

When children from overseas arrive in this country, it is unlikely, on the first day at school, that they will speak English easily. This is why over 20 languages are spoken at some schools. However, those children learn English at school (shocking, I know). Recently an Iranian girl living near me achieved 3 straight As in her A levels, having arrived in the UK only two years earlier.

I'll let you read this! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7322825.stm

[Thedelldays]

BTF...how about post 2004 when the our borders were open to more and more migrants...when we had no choice...even though doublesaint tells us, there is not enough social housing as it is...

 

also, prior to the borders opening up to more countries the government allowed any SELF CONFESSED, self emplyed worker from such countries to come here before the set date.....ten of thousands did...it was done (apparently) to make the numbers look better when the figure were released as to how many came from that day in 2004..

 

they didnt even have to prove they were self employed...just fill out a form claiming they were..

 

what normal thinking country would allow such a thing...

 

(2004 was when we allowed the polish etc to come)..

[Weston Super Saint]

 

Many migrants from the UK to, for example, France and Spain do not bother to learn French / Spanish.

When children from overseas arrive in this country, it is unlikely, on the first day at school, that they will speak English easily. This is why over 20 languages are spoken at some schools. However, those children learn English at school (shocking, I know). Recently an Iranian girl living near me achieved 3 straight As in her A levels, having arrived in the UK only two years earlier.

 

And they say A levels aren't getting easier

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

TDD I've been quiet because I've been trying to understand this 'first safe country' thing.

 

I still don't . But I have come across something called the 'third country' rule. This has been adopted by the EU (although the UK has opt out rights if it wants to exercise them - it chooses not to ATM).

 

I THINK it means that if an application for asylum is refused, the asylum seeker is returned to the previous safe country from whence s/he came. And I THINK it means that Europe is treated as one country. So if this woman's UK application is turned down, she has to return to the previous safe country outside Europe that she was in.

 

Let's say she flew from Afghanistan. Would that be a direct flight? Or would she have travelled to, say Pakistan, then flown on from there?

 

If she flew from Pakistan, I THINK it could be argued that she should be returned there if her application fails. If her flight comprised a change of aircraft in, say, Germany and her application fails, I don't think returning her to Germany would count.

 

This is all summation on my part because of the legalistic terminology used in the articles I've just looked at. Maybe someone else understands this 'third country' rule better than I?

The Dublin Convention was introduced to stop multiple applications for asylum in EU Member States. The trouble is, Member States do not necessarily consider the rules for a successful asylum application in the same way. For example, Germany and France consider that risk of torture or death to the asylum-seeker is only applicable if it is at the hands of the State, not a non-state group such as the LTTE (Tamil Tigers), whereas the UK courts recognise the actions of non-state groups as a valid reason for grant of asylum. Hence the greater number of people applying here in the first instance. If a person is refused asylum by one country in Europe then if he applies to a second country then that country need not examine his case at all and can deport him back to the first safe country, who, unless he has new evidence, can deport him back to his homeland.

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It suggests to me that she is using the term 'asylum seeker' to hide behind to get an easier life.

 

Sure, there are genuine asylum seekers, but by and large they go to the first country that is safe, and close to where they are born. The type of people who will return back to their homeland once the imminent threat of danger has passed.

 

Now my Geography isn't very good - Cue Rob scoffing at the thickie!!! - but even I know there are a dozen safer countries between Afghanistan and England, which to me begs the question how exactly did she get here?

 

I have no idea! Perhaps she paid an extortionate amount of money to hide in the back of a truck. And you're right, most asylum seekers do seek refuge close to home and return home asap.

 

Under the 1951 Convention on Refugees, which the UK has signed, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in the UK, and to stay here until there is a final decision on their application.

 

And this is where some confusion is arising I think. It's not about where the asylum seekers have come from - it's about where they will be sent back to if their application fails. This is where the 'third country' bit comes in.

 

In fact, proportionate to the size of our country we have fewer asylum seekers than many other European countries.

 

Britain comes eighth for the number of applicants for asylum per 1000 inhabitants - after Austria, Sweden, Norway, Luxembourg, Switzerland and Belgium. When you take size of population and the wealth of the countries into account, Britain comes tenth in Europe.

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

And read this! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023400/33m-child-benefit-paid-foreign-chldren-live-abroad.html

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The Dublin Convention was introduced to stop multiple applications for asylum in EU Member States. The trouble is, Member States do not necessarily consider the rules for a successful asylum application in the same way. For example, Germany and France consider that risk of torture or death to the asylum-seeker is only applicable if it is at the hands of the State, not a non-state group such as the LTTE (Tamil Tigers), whereas the UK courts recognise the actions of non-state groups as a valid reason for grant of asylum. Hence the greater number of people applying here in the first instance. If a person is refused asylum by one country in Europe then if he applies to a second country then that country need not examine his case at all and can deport him back to the first safe country, where, unless he has new evidence, can deport him back to his homeland.

 

Thank you

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And read this! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1023400/33m-child-benefit-paid-foreign-chldren-live-abroad.html

 

 

Under EU law employees from any member state can claim child benefit in the country they are working in, even if their children are living in their home country - so I should have a pop at the French, German and Italian workers in this country too, if I were you.

 

And whilst you're at it, why not criticise people living in other European countries who have originated from the UK and who are now receiving EU medical treatment, education etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam. It's a two-way thing.

 

However, many EU immigrants are returning home now so any problem there was will be shrinking daily.

[Ponty]

However, many EU immigrants are returning home now so any problem there was will be shrinking daily.

 

Probably fed up of listening to all the whining over here.

[TopGun]

I feel i have to defend myself,grammar aside. I'm not immigrant hater, i just feel that certain people only come here to get free housing and live off benefits that you and i have worked hard to pay for.What do they contribute to britain except to drain the economy

If you read the article you will see that, it also says why do our schools have welcome in 20 different dialects,Hey this is england and they should be speaking english. If you went to their countrys would they make the same changes for you, i expect not!

You strike me as some bitter leftie who feels we should pay for the countrys past actions.

I feel for you, with your slanted point of view!

 

 

Some fair points there. I feel that this is leading towards another biometric ID cards debate which, as a bitter leftie, I support. Biometric ID cards will eradicate benefits cheats, whether they are British or immigrants!!! :cool:

[Thedelldays]

interestingly...just been watching UK border force on SKY 1 and authorities say it is very very common for so many illegals to sneak over in lorries from holland, belgium FRANCE to be here as they know they get a better deal here...

 

something about that is not right IMO

[Weston Super Saint]

interestingly...just been watching UK border force on SKY 1 and authorities say it is very very common for so many illegals to sneak over in lorries from holland, belgium FRANCE to be here as they know they get a better deal here...

 

something about that is not right IMO

 

I agree.

 

On the other hand you can't blame them for not wanting to live in France!!

[Hatch]

interestingly...just been watching UK border force on SKY 1 and authorities say it is very very common for so many illegals to sneak over in lorries from holland, belgium FRANCE to be here as they know they get a better deal here...

 

something about that is not right IMO

 

 

 

But I thought they were all claiming asylum from FRANCE.

Isn't that why thousands of trying to flee Sangatte to come into Britain.

 

Surely they must be in fear for their lives there.

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interestingly...just been watching UK border force on SKY 1 and authorities say it is very very common for so many illegals to sneak over in lorries from holland, belgium FRANCE to be here as they know they get a better deal here...

 

something about that is not right IMO

 

Illegal immigrants get nothing - except deportation.

 

Economic migrants get nothing for two years at the moment.

 

Immigrants from the 'old' European Union get the same as us, provided they can provide a National Insurance number.

 

A8 nationals (from eg Estonia, Latvia, Poland) get no assistance for two years. And if / when A8 nationals in the UK lose their jobs, they also lose most of their entitlements to state support, including welfare benefits, public housing and homelessness assistance

 

Asylum seekers get £30 a week ish and somewhere to live until their application is admitted or dismissed.

 

TDD - there are differences between illegal immigrants, legal immigrants and asylum seekers.

[Thedelldays]

Illegal immigrants get nothing - except deportation.

 

Economic migrants get nothing for two years at the moment.

 

Immigrants from the 'old' European Union get the same as us, provided they can provide a National Insurance number.

 

A8 nationals (from eg Estonia, Latvia, Poland) get no assistance for two years. And if / when A8 nationals in the UK lose their jobs, they also lose most of their entitlements to state support, including welfare benefits, public housing and homelessness assistance

 

Asylum seekers get £30 a week ish and somewhere to live until their application is admitted or dismissed.

 

TDD - there are differences between illegal immigrants, legal immigrants and asylum seekers.

 

 

funny..as watching the show...they caught an indian bloke with 18000 fags on him...they said that he and his wife had to go home immdiately...

he then asked for asylum and bobs your uncle he stayed...asylum from what? india is not an oppressive country...?

 

now, i know you will say we dont know his circumstances but it was india not iran...

 

also, you have to ask why the illegal try to get here from countries like belgium, holland and france...regardless if they get nothing when caught

Edited 9 December, 2008 by Thedelldays

[Scummer]

also, you have to ask why the illegal try to get here from countries like belgium, holland and france...regardless if they get nothing when caught

 

They come here for the weather. Let's face it, where would you rather be, the south of France or lovely England?

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Immigrants from Commonwealth countries (of which India is one) do have slightly different rules but if he was asking for asylum, he'd be thoroughly questioned and if, as you are implying, he was lying, he'd be sent back home.

 

Immigration officers at borders are not judges and cannot make decisions about who should and shouldn't be classed as asylum seekers any more than your bobby on the beat can sentence you for breaking the law.

[Thedelldays]

Immigrants from Commonwealth countries (of which India is one) do have slightly different rules but if he was asking for asylum, he'd be thoroughly questioned and if, as you are implying, he was lying, he'd be sent back home.

 

Immigration officers at borders are not judges and cannot make decisions about who should and shouldn't be classed as asylum seekers any more than your bobby on the beat can sentence you for breaking the law.

 

it was on film...first he said he was on his own..then they found his wife at the airport..then they found 18000 fags on him...first he said they were for his own consumption, then he said he had a buyer then he said they were not even his and the bag was not his...

 

as soon as he was told he had to go back he then asked for asylum..come on.....talk about bare cheek...

 

again...im sure you will say we dont know the full story...etc

 

another story was a bunch of afghanis who managed to smuggle their way across europe to get the UK.....fine in principle, but then you have to wonder what free democratic countries they would have passed through to get all the way over here....

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it was on film...first he said he was on his own..then they found his wife at the airport..then they found 18000 fags on him...first he said they were for his own consumption, then he said he had a buyer then he said they were not even his and the bag was not his...

 

as soon as he was told he had to go back he then asked for asylum..come on.....talk about bare cheek...

 

I'll say it again - the border control officers do not act as judge and jury (and executioner). If the guy asks for asylum, he has to apply and if his application is rejected, he'll be sent home. End of... Lots of people try it on with regard to laws and regulations.

BTW I thought you said he was smuggling FANS not fags lol

 

again...im sure you will say we dont know the full story...etc

 

another story was a bunch of afghanis who managed to smuggle their way across europe to get the UK.....fine in principle, but then you have to wonder what free democratic countries they would have passed through to get all the way over here....

 

Since they were entitled, as refugees, to apply for assistance in any European country, it could be that they knew other Afghanis in the UK and, let's face it, if we're going to live in an alien country, we'd all probably rather be with people we knew or could help us settle.

If you read an earlier post of mine, you'll find that actually GB is way down the list of European countries with asylum seekers.

[Saint George]

Bridge..have you ever thought about the consequences of your 'open house' liberal mantra?......Do you really believe the UK can continue to forever be the Worlds 'Soup Kitchen' for anyone that needs a hand out?......All at the expense of an ever decreasing Middle Class tax base?

 

Like immigrants, not all asylum seekers are the same....It speaks volumes that many asylum seekers who have something to offer, are happy to settle in other countries, mainly nearer their home, where they can rebuild their lives. But the ones with 6 kids, special needs and basket cases, etc go to the UK where they'll get support from the Nanny State for the rest of their lives

 

In my view, Charity should be voluntary ...Not forced on the tax payer by Left wing governments

[Calvin]

Good! That is how it should be.

[Mao Cap]

Bridge..have you ever thought about the consequences of your 'open house' liberal mantra?......Do you really believe the UK can continue to forever be the Worlds 'Soup Kitchen' for anyone that needs a hand out?......All at the expense of an ever decreasing Middle Class tax base?

 

Like immigrants, not all asylum seekers are the same....It speaks volumes that many asylum seekers who have something to offer, are happy to settle in other countries, mainly nearer their home, where they can rebuild their lives. But the ones with 6 kids, special needs and basket cases, etc go to the UK where they'll get support from the Nanny State for the rest of their lives

 

In my view, Charity should be voluntary ...Not forced on the tax payer by Left wing governments

 

It's alright, mate...when Obama and his commie mates take the reins of your government next month, they'll all be off to America

 

Keep the red flag flying high, eh? LOL.

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In my view, Charity should be voluntary ...Not forced on the tax payer by Left wing governments

 

Nice sentiment but it doesn't work. Currently, in these economically straightened times, charities are receiving far less in the way of donations from companies and individuals.

 

People in need can't be dependent on charities with fluctuating budgets.

 

This is from your country:

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2008/07/14/focus10.html

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And this, St George, showing that the US has more immigrants than any other country in the world:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

 

[Dicko]

I think asylum seekers should be forced to join the army

 

They will be earning, not sponging

They will be contributing to our country

 

And best of all.........nobody will care if they get killed

 

Everyone's a winner

[Saint George]

It's alright, mate...when Obama and his commie mates take the reins of your government next month, they'll all be off to America

 

Keep the red flag flying high, eh? LOL.

 

At least we'll only have it flying for a few years....Many Americans are in for the shock of their lives when they get to see socialism up close and personal.....No way will it be allowed to sit and fester here like it has in the UK for the most part of 50 years, But nothing like laughing at your own demise as Britain sink deeper and deeper into the mire under the weight of its unsustainable welfare programs and ever rising violent crime rate.

 

And back to Chairman O......If he's as bad as he potentially could be, then the mid term elections in 2010 could pretty much make him a lame duck till he's out in 2012.....In fact, down here in Louisiana, 'Buyers remorse' seems to have started already.... Two long term serving Democrat Congressmen have been kicked out this past weekend already.....The beauty of a true democracy eh

 

Mind you, looking at some of Chairman O's foreign policies, I can see the world wide inauguration party fizzling out not long after peeps realize what he has in store for the rest of the world....Cant see him being quite so popular back in blighty in a couple of years time.

 

Having said all that, the reality with the 'Chosen One', seems to be contradicting his rhetoric, but no surprise there....He's pretty much completely reinstated the Old 'Clinton' administration and even added Hill's herself...So much for "Change" then )

 

So basically, the only change could well be is that we now have a unrepentant, self confessed domestic terrorist with extremely close access to the Whitehouse, All its secrets and the Big Red Button.....Now there's something for you to LOL at

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Democrats - socialism

[View From The Top]

At least we'll only have it flying for a few years....Many Americans are in for the shock of their lives when they get to see socialism up close and personal.....No way will it be allowed to sit and fester here like it has in the UK for the most part of 50 years, But nothing like laughing at your own demise as Britain sink deeper and deeper into the mire under the weight of its unsustainable welfare programs and ever rising violent crime rate.

 

And back to Chairman O......If he's as bad as he potentially could be, then the mid term elections in 2010 could pretty much make him a lame duck till he's out in 2012.....In fact, down here in Louisiana, 'Buyers remorse' seems to have started already.... Two long term serving Democrat Congressmen have been kicked out this past weekend already.....The beauty of a true democracy eh

 

Mind you, looking at some of Chairman O's foreign policies, I can see the world wide inauguration party fizzling out not long after peeps realize what he has in store for the rest of the world....Cant see him being quite so popular back in blighty in a couple of years time.

 

Having said all that, the reality with the 'Chosen One', seems to be contradicting his rhetoric, but no surprise there....He's pretty much completely reinstated the Old 'Clinton' administration and even added Hill's herself...So much for "Change" then )

 

So basically, the only change could well be is that we now have a unrepentant, self confessed domestic terrorist with extremely close access to the Whitehouse, All its secrets and the Big Red Button.....Now there's something for you to LOL at

 

We just laugh at you as you're a fu cking loon.

[Ponty]

I think asylum seekers should be forced to join the army

 

They will be earning, not sponging

They will be contributing to our country

 

And best of all.........nobody will care if they get killed

 

Everyone's a winner

 

You're an utter tool.

[Mao Cap]

At least we'll only have it flying for a few years....Many Americans are in for the shock of their lives when they get to see socialism up close and personal.....No way will it be allowed to sit and fester here like it has in the UK for the most part of 50 years, But nothing like laughing at your own demise as Britain sink deeper and deeper into the mire under the weight of its unsustainable welfare programs and ever rising violent crime rate.

 

And back to Chairman O......If he's as bad as he potentially could be, then the mid term elections in 2010 could pretty much make him a lame duck till he's out in 2012.....In fact, down here in Louisiana, 'Buyers remorse' seems to have started already.... Two long term serving Democrat Congressmen have been kicked out this past weekend already.....The beauty of a true democracy eh

 

Mind you, looking at some of Chairman O's foreign policies, I can see the world wide inauguration party fizzling out not long after peeps realize what he has in store for the rest of the world....Cant see him being quite so popular back in blighty in a couple of years time.

 

Having said all that, the reality with the 'Chosen One', seems to be contradicting his rhetoric, but no surprise there....He's pretty much completely reinstated the Old 'Clinton' administration and even added Hill's herself...So much for "Change" then )

 

So basically, the only change could well be is that we now have a unrepentant, self confessed domestic terrorist with extremely close access to the Whitehouse, All its secrets and the Big Red Button.....Now there's something for you to LOL at

 

Oh, Lordy.

 

We'll be just fine thanks, and whilst I've not got unrealistic expectations about Chairman O (what happened to "Nobama", by the way?) I'm pretty sure he's not going to laugh evilly and blow up the world in January.

[Robsk II]

you never no He is probly a islam terrorist illegal immy-gant.

[bungle]

Two long term serving Democrat Congressmen have been licked out this past weekend already.....The beauty of a true democracy

 

Didn't realise you'd be so happy about an Vietnamese immigrant becoming a congressman. Seems to conflict with all of your other views, ever.

[Robsk II]

That's because he's a thicko, bungle.

[Saint George]

And this, St George, showing that the US has more immigrants than any other country in the world:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_the_United_States

 

 

And as I've mentioned to you before ....Not all immigrants are the same.....You lecture others on mixing up immigrants, illegal immigrants and asylem seekers and then go and do the exact same thing your self to try and prove you're right about something.......It appears to be a standard trait of many lefties....principles, fact's and integrity can take a back seat as long as they can be 'seen' to be 'right'....Blair was a master at it.

 

The US was built on hard working immigrants, so of course we have more immigrants here than anywhere else....Here you have the opportunity to be what ever you want to be as long as you have the ability and the drive......You cant even begin to compare the highly skilled and/or qualified people queuing up to come to the US and the hard working farm hands who work the land every year, with the welfare seekers heading to Britain in their droves.

 

There's no welfare for immigrants here for at least 2 years and in a lot of cases longer ...Everyone who comes here either needs to prove they have self sufficient funds to support them self or a sponsor who is expected to provide support should the immigrant need it, So no Government hand outs untill you've paid something in

 

Sure the US has its own issues with illegal immigrants but we're not talking about them are we?

[Robsk II]

Blair wasn't really a lefty, to be fair.

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There's no welfare for immigrants here for at least 2 years and in a lot of cases longer ...and if you'd read some of the previous posts you would have realised that that is also the case in the UK. Everyone who comes here either needs to prove they have self sufficient funds to support them self or a sponsor who is expected to provide support should the immigrant need it, So no Government hand outs untill you've paid something in

 

Sure the US has its own issues with illegal immigrants but we're not talking about them are we?

 

Again, if you'd read previous posts, you'd see that we were talking about all incomers to the UK. This includes legal and illegal immigrants and also asylum seekers.

 

Unfortunately it would seem that the US contravenes the UN Convention on Human Rights (Article 14) in its treatment of asylum seekers although it is signed up to it.

[saintjinksie]

I thought the thread was about benefits not jobs

 

an interlinked topic surely, no job/ money = benefits

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an interlinked topic surely, no job/ money = benefits

 

Although the thread title would suggest the opposite.

[TopGun]

So what happened to your prediction that Obama would be ineligible as President on the Hawaii inquiry George? Didn't exactly come to fruition did it? Just another few fruitcakes with the same views as you.

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I don't think you'll get an answer today TG. He's used up all his posts

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

Although the thread title would suggest the opposite.

Yes it covers all immigrants' except the ones with the skills shortage we need. Because obviously they will not be claiming benefits, but i think their(govt) trying to put it through that you cannot just come here and plead for housing and benefits, as you'll need to contribute to the countrys economy like all other hard working people do!

It just sounds like some you are two faced in the sense that you proberly want UK national benefit scroungers of the system(rightly so!), only to be replaced by foreign benefit scroungers! LOL

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

I think your find their talking about the ones that dont want to work and just claim benefits, like the afganie who was given a £1.2 million house and £13,000 a month benefits and hasn't worked since he got here!!!!

 

Did you get your information from that leading light of journalism The Sun/NOTW/Daily Star/Express/Daily Mail?

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Yes it covers all immigrants' except the ones with the skills shortage we need. Because obviously they will not be claiming benefits, but i think their(govt) trying to put it through that you cannot just come here and plead for housing and benefits, as you'll need to contribute to the countrys economy like all other hard working people do!

It just sounds like some you are two faced in the sense that you proberly want UK national benefit scroungers of the system, only to be replaced by foreign benefit scroungers! LOL

 

You haven't read all the previous posts, have you

 

If you had, you'd realise that immigrants are unable to get benefits for quite a while unless they originate from the 'original' EU. The same applies to migrants from this country to EU countries. Immigrants from the new EU member states (known as A8 immigrants) do not qualify. Asylum seekers, once their applications are admitted, do get some help as they are forbidden to work for a set period.